[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[Rodion]

But I'm not carrying on with anything!

After my original post on that topic, all the times I mentioned it again was to explain something upon either being accused or questioned. I am not actively persecuting such "lead" and I don't understand why you think I am.

[chapcrap]

But I'm not carrying on with anything!

After my original post on that topic, all the times I mentioned it again was to explain something upon either being accused or questioned. I am not actively persecuting such "lead" and I don't understand why you think I am.

You have been keeping it alive by not denouncing it and you have responded to people by saying things like 'If strike flips scum, the chap probably is too.'

You have acted like you supported it the whole time. I don't think you're actively persecutingpursuing such lead, I think you aren't denouncing it and keeping alive the posibility that you think it's actually legitimate. That's all.

Do you think this is legitimate?
Do you think a joke vote from another game actually has merit?

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

jimfinn(5)- betiko, Leitz, trini, MoB, Epitaph
Rodion(5)- jonty, strike, chap, shield, dazza

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

[dazza2008]

I don't think there is much in this Rodion/Chap thing. I still find it very odd that Rodion even mentioned joke votes from another game but i will unvote vote Jimfinn for his continued silence. Jim says he doesn't post unless a case interest him and has not really responded to himself getting votes. Will any case ever be of interest to him?

[betiko]

I don't think there is much in this Rodion/Chap thing. I still find it very odd that Rodion even mentioned joke votes from another game but i will unvote vote Jimfinn for his continued silence. Jim says he doesn't post unless a case interest him and has not really responded to himself getting votes. Will any case ever be of interest to him?

I ve seen him post in other stuff yesterday... do you guys know him and does he often plays mafia games?
maybe he just registered to try get a medal and wasn't really planning on play this...

ok what do we do now?

-go ahead and lynch him, this has started over a month ago and he is contributing way too little. he's either scum or a not very useful town.
-stick with the chap/rodion/strike case that all started from a joke vote
-wait to see if another interesting case shows up

Sorry if i m being a bit impatient, it's my first mafia game online and it's all going surprisingly slow for me. we just completed 1 day and 1 night over a month and i see many remarks about this game being very buisy and being fast. what is the longest mafia game you played here, over a year??

[trinicardinal]

I don't think there is much in this Rodion/Chap thing. I still find it very odd that Rodion even mentioned joke votes from another game but i will unvote vote Jimfinn for his continued silence. Jim says he doesn't post unless a case interest him and has not really responded to himself getting votes. Will any case ever be of interest to him?

I ve seen him post in other stuff yesterday... do you guys know him and does he often plays mafia games?
maybe he just registered to try get a medal and wasn't really planning on play this...

ok what do we do now?

-go ahead and lynch him, this has started over a month ago and he is contributing way too little. he's either scum or a not very useful town.
-stick with the chap/rodion/strike case that all started from a joke vote
-wait to see if another interesting case shows up

Sorry if i m being a bit impatient, it's my first mafia game online and it's all going surprisingly slow for me. we just completed 1 day and 1 night over a month and i see many remarks about this game being very buisy and being fast. what is the longest mafia game you played here, over a year??

He seems to have played in at least one other mafia.... I never played with him so I can't say exactly how he plays..... Like I said earlier he must not be very excitable if all that has happened has not been enough to get him excited about any case. I still haven't seen anything to make me change my opinion from him about the submarining... I also think MeDeFe is submarining but I am keeping my vote on jim. Unless we get something really good from jim I think he should be our next lynch,... then we can examine other people. If he is town he is being an extremely unhelpful townie. If he is scum then we need to lynch him. My feeling is that he seems more likely to be scum than town

[trinicardinal]

BTW - with dazza's vote I believe jim is now at L-2.

[betiko]

BTW - with dazza's vote I believe jim is now at L-2.

might be a good moment for him to claim something..

[Swifte]

BTW - with dazza's vote I believe jim is now at L-2.

might be a good moment for him to claim something..

only if he's interested in the case...

[trinicardinal]

BTW - with dazza's vote I believe jim is now at L-2.

might be a good moment for him to claim something..

only if he's interested in the case...

LOL!

[MeDeFe]

He seems to have played in at least one other mafia.... I never played with him so I can't say exactly how he plays..... Like I said earlier he must not be very excitable if all that has happened has not been enough to get him excited about any case. I still haven't seen anything to make me change my opinion from him about the submarining... I also think MeDeFe is submarining but I am keeping my vote on jim. Unless we get something really good from jim I think he should be our next lynch,... then we can examine other people. If he is town he is being an extremely unhelpful townie. If he is scum then we need to lynch him. My feeling is that he seems more likely to be scum than town

More like I'm drowning, really, I just read 3 and a half pages.

I looked through a few posts sorting by player, and I would say Rodion is the better target over jimfinn (or me). He's been talking a lot but not saying very much, it reminds me of the Terminator game where he got a town powerrole lynched after having made an obviously fake counterclaim. He's just that good at writing walls of texts with convoluted reasoning and still appear really convincing.

Yes, some of this is gut feeling, but there's also Rodion's bringing up a jokevote from another game and attempt to use that to start a case in this one. That just reeks of scummy behaviour.

vote Rodion

[Epitaph1]

That puts Rodion at L-2.

[trinicardinal]

That puts Rodion at L-2.

dazza unvoted Rodion and voted for jim - so I think its more like

jimfinn L-2
Rodion L-3

unless I counted badly

[betiko]

so we just miss a jimfinn and a swifte votes on day 2, other than these 2 everybody voted and the 2 suspects are both at l-2.
jimfinn is not going to vote for himself i presume, and last thing we know is that swifte FOSsed rodion.
so rodion is definitely on the loose end...

i m still not reconsidering my vote. i think we would need a claim or a strong defense post from both of them to see if we might change opinions.

[Epitaph1]

That puts Rodion at L-2.

dazza unvoted Rodion and voted for jim - so I think its more like

jimfinn L-2
Rodion L-3

unless I counted badly

You're right, I missed that unvote.

[Swifte]

I'm very interested in hearing from jim right now, don't want to push him to L-1 though, would much prefer to hear a claim from jim.

Yes, I FOS'ed Rodion, but I thought his response to my questions satisfactorially clarified that he considered the joke vote case a last resort (though I'm not sure he did the best job of presenting it as such initially - otherwise I don't think so many would have piled on him). If Rodion wants to save the case based on the joke vote as a last option, I don't see it as a huge problem... I think we'll be able to come up with something better, so it won't be an issue.

Apart from jim, I don't think we should ignore the piling on to Rodion that occured over his use of French in the game, because I think that's a pretty lazy reason to vote someone. As I read it:

Yeah, I was refering to my lynching due to the LAL rule from memebase mafia.

Anyway, I find it suspicous that Rodion is using another language to communicate to players in this game. It's probably game related, as if it wasn't, rodion would probably tell betiko whatever it was in private. right? So I find that suspicious, especially because in Team CC mafia a similar tactic was made with secret code to communicate amongst cult members during the day. VOTE RODION for secret communication.

-SG7 ( )

-SG7 has made the French communication the whole basis of his vote for Rodion thus far - that's the last we heard from him (Tuesday)
-Daz voted based on both the french and the joke vote case, but retracted the French issue pretty quickly after it was translated by strike.
-trini has also backed off his interest in Rodion that was based on the use of French, preferring to focus on the inactives

Just didn't want those notes to get lost in all the chatter back and forth between Rodion and chap because I thought it was interesting.

[strike wolf]

I still have more to say overall but I have reread a bit more and my thoughts at this time as far as likely scum:

1. Rodion-he tried to legitimize a joke vote and a joke response to a joke vote from a different thread. With him being an experienced player at this point that is FOS worthy by itself. I also have a serious problem with how he brought it up. He didn't bring it up immediately, he waited and his reasoning for waiting a. He expected me to address this flimsy, wifomy case myself which only has the backing in two joke votes from another thread. B. He states he only brings it up basically as a last resort case and that he would want to view more cases. Why the rush to mention it? It would seem to me that if you did feel it was weak (you said so yourself in your initial post) than it really isn't worthy to bring up unless there isn't anything going on which isn't true we had a perfectly relevant case on a highly inactive player regarding submarining. Then there's the fact you don't even comment on that case until after this which gives me the impression you hadn't read into it yet. The timing itself regardless of how you write it off still stands out. 16 minutes after you were called out and if you were reading my posts to know that I hadn't brought safari's joke vote up you had to be well aware of it. You're overall behavior has been paranoid to say the least and I've run it over in my head as to why you could be paranoid and acting in the manner you are and I still have nothing.

2. Jimfinn-this is a good case. He was inactive. Popped up quickly and disappeared again. He also has not provided any legitimate reasons for the absense that can be verified nor has his activity picked up even after the time period he said he would be busy. He also portrayed himself early that he would be a good and helpful player once he got into the game but that never manifested.

3. Chapcrap-for a while chap actually jumped Jimfinn mostly for what's happened on the last couple pages. I agree with most of what he has said regarding rodion and I still get the impression his case on trini was an earnest attempt at scum hunting but his posts the last couple pages have shown evidence of skimming and a couple other odd behaviors. He explained his reasoning well enough that I am not going to get into detail but I will keep an eye on him.

4. Betiko-mostly down here because any case against him is highly dependent on Rodion flipping mafia. Without a mafia background for rodion any case against betiko would be flimsy.

5. Shield-the obligatory feeling that shield has acted scummy. I know it happens every game but his reasoning has been weak at best, he's only mildly acitve at best and he has not really progressed the game in any constructive manner from what I've seen...at best.

I also have gotten a weird impression from Mob but don't have anything solid for that. I would like to hear. From jonty as he has disappeared the last couple of days.

[betiko]

That puts Rodion at L-2.

dazza unvoted Rodion and voted for jim - so I think its more like

jimfinn L-2
Rodion L-3

unless I counted badly

You're right, I missed that unvote.

yup sorry my bad as well! so there are 3 players that didn't vote; swifte jimfinn and rodion, i missed that.
so both biggest day 2 suspects didn't vote yet + the doc.

if rodion votes for jimfinn now it wouldn't look like a real choice but i don't think he has any at this point; jimfinn will probably jump on the rodion bandwagon for the same reason: and swifte, the theoretically whiter than white town doctor will get the final and decisive vote. either a tie or a jimfinn elimination.. would look more simple with an odd number of players lol! It would ve been cool to have the guy we trust the most to have the final word on this.

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[trinicardinal]

That puts Rodion at L-2.

dazza unvoted Rodion and voted for jim - so I think its more like

jimfinn L-2
Rodion L-3

unless I counted badly

You're right, I missed that unvote.

Thanks for the comfirmation. I was doing some checking - jim was last online yesterday and posted yesterday as well in Bug Reports. He has not posted anthing in here since the 28th and his last post was this:

Alright! I've just caught up this game, and see that many have voted jimfinn for inactivty. Also, I have started making a log of posts and such. After what happened in memebase, I'm determined to get my facts straight.

i too find jimfinn's initial responses funny, but he has since replied to the later cases. Hopefully his activty (and several others') will be good. I'm finding it very difficult to get a read on him.

-SG7 ( )

Can you explain what happened in memebase (that you are referring to here?)

prior to this he posted on the 27th:

I am now back at college, and done with my Thanksgiving travel, with a semi-working laptop, so I should be regular again.

ofc this is just part of what he said then - He said he's back and should be regular again... he hasn't posted since the 28th even with all the activity and votes against him but he has been on the site. I don't think I would consider that to be regular posting especially given the cases brought against him.

he also said

I tend to be a relatively short poster until I get really excited about a case, and none of them hit me in a very exciting way so far. As for the timing, it was a busy week (college-wise) and I didn't realize quite how long it had been since I had posted. As I said, nothing was giving me a scummy vibe yet. I was trying to get reads but didn't really have much to go on.

fine - you don't say much... but right now you aren't saying anything...

Calling jimfinn - Please give us some explanations. Right now I'd say you are acting rather scummy.

Swifte I was going to ask your viewpoint on jim's case but I see that you have fastposted me with said comment,...lol. I understand giving him a chance to claim... he hasn't been on for today as far as I have seen so I have no problem with giving him some time.

Waiting on jim to respond.

fastposted by strike...with a nice summary... which we can probably add more to later

[betiko]

I agree about the shield case. voting for the french thing was lame and he still sticked to it. also he isn't participating much into elaborating cases.
I do have to say that when i saw rodion's question adessed to me in french I thought he made a mistake because people would jump on that not knowing what it meant and assuming it could be some sort of secret message (you would have to be very stupid to do that with a tool such as google translate; and writting a message in some unknown dialect not translatable on the internet would ve been even more stupid cause it would ve looked more than fishy)

so shield; can you elaborate a bit more about your vote please?

chapcrap is over defensive in my opinion. seems like being related to either strike or rodion is a big issue for him. could he be a cop that got a report from any of these 2 last night?
Either one of them is his scumbuddy and he doesn't want to get 2 mafias dragged down, either he knows something about one of them.. and it seems like he's more after rodion..

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[Rodion]

Do you think this is legitimate?
Do you think a joke vote from another game actually has merit?

That depends on how you define legitimate. I'll give you some yes/no answers so you get some insight on me.

No, I'm not 100% sure Strike is mafia.
No, I'm not 100% sure you are mafia if Strike is.
Yes, I think the quote from GP: Greek was worth mentioning. It brings extra information to the table and it can potentially aid town into clearing townies or catching scum. For instance, the Rodion/Strike town -> Epitaph town conclusion wouldn't have been made if I had not quoted that game.
Yes, if Strike flips mafia and I'm still alive, I will pay extra attention to you.

All I know is your joke was either innocent or carried some knowledge about this game. Which of the 2 is more likely? I don't know, I don't have a PhD in psychiatry or something like that. I still think we are better off by bringing the jokevotes up than by ignoring it and letting only people that played/read GP: Greek now what happened.

I ve seen him post in other stuff yesterday... do you guys know him and does he often plays mafia games?
maybe he just registered to try get a medal and wasn't really planning on play this...

ok what do we do now?

-go ahead and lynch him, this has started over a month ago and he is contributing way too little. he's either scum or a not very useful town.
-stick with the chap/rodion/strike case that all started from a joke vote
-wait to see if another interesting case shows up

Sorry if i m being a bit impatient, it's my first mafia game online and it's all going surprisingly slow for me. we just completed 1 day and 1 night over a month and i see many remarks about this game being very buisy and being fast. what is the longest mafia game you played here, over a year??

On Jimfinn: I've played 2 games with him. He was cult recruiter in Team CC and mafia in Pokémon. He submarined in both games, but I don't have seen him as town in any games in order to be able to compare his activity.

This has to be clarified: we should not go ahead and lynch him before he claims. Whoever hammers in such a case has to be killed the following day. The exception to that would be a close arriving deadline with Jim simply refusing to post and this scenario is far from happening (and if that happens, I'd try to get him replaced before the deadline would expire).

Regarding your impatience, the games last more when there are more players. Each game day should last less than the earlier day (there is more knowledge around and less people to talk). Personally, I don't think this game will last until february.

He's been talking a lot but not saying very much, it reminds me of the Terminator game where he got a town powerrole lynched after having made an obviously fake counterclaim. He's just that good at writing walls of texts with convoluted reasoning and still appear really convincing.

People keep bringing Terminator up when they want to lynch me. They mentioned it in Memebase and in Magic: the Gathering. I wrote walls in both and at least 1 person outright confessed he/they wouldn't even read and simply keep his/their vote on me, because he was in Terminator and knew my playing style. I got lynched in both games. I flipped 3rd-party survivor and town jailkeeper, respectively.

Food for thought.

Why the rush to mention it? It would seem to me that if you did feel it was weak (you said so yourself in your initial post) than it really isn't worthy to bring up unless there isn't anything going on

I could have brough that up later, but I would not have waited until D3 since there is no guarantee I'd be alive by then. Since I had to post that on D2, I figured earlier would be better than later. It was meant to be on the backburner from the get-go (and I said that in my original post), but I got instantly OMGUSed by you and Chap. The GP: Greek quotes have not been on the backburner since then.

which isn't true we had a perfectly relevant case on a highly inactive player regarding submarining. Then there's the fact you don't even comment on that case until after this which gives me the impression you hadn't read into it yet.

You don't need to resort to impressions when I had clearly stated that I had not read into Jim's case at that point in the game. Let me show you.

Alright, I've waited enough. I still need to catch up with the last couple of pages so I won't be commenting on that just yet, but I wanted to bring up some knowledge from another game that will perhaps be useful here.

The timing itself regardless of how you write it off still stands out. 16 minutes after you were called out and if you were reading my posts to know that I hadn't brought safari's joke vote up you had to be well aware of it. You're overall behavior has been paranoid to say the least and I've run it over in my head as to why you could be paranoid and acting in the manner you are and I still have nothing.

I obviously checked your posts (and Chap's) in order to see whether either of you had brought this up before me. That doesn't change the fact that I had not read the last 2 pages other than simply looking for a wolf/devil avatar to find a GP: Greek reference.

And I just can't accept the paranoia accusations coming from you of all people. I mention a quote from another game that might indicate you to be scum and you immediately vote on me and don't let it go? And you create BS aggravating circumstances considering the timing of a post that had been promised to be delivered in a specific day? Frankly, I think the paranoia joke is on you.

Also, I'm not voting Jim before I hear a claim. I also advise people not to L-1 him until he does. We don't need to run risks (mafia doublevoter, lyncher, stupid/rash townie etc) and L-2 is a safe place to stop at.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

jimfinn(6)- betiko, Leitz, trini, MoB, Epitaph, dazza
Rodion(5)- jonty, strike, chap, shield, MeDeFe

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

[Epitaph1]

I agree with Rodion about stopping at L-2 for jim. However, that puts that case at a stand still until jim reappears (it might take a prod).

[trinicardinal]

I agree with Rodion about stopping at L-2 for jim. However, that puts that case at a stand still until jim reappears (it might take a prod).

it might indeed... And I also agree with stopping for now at L-2

[betiko]

hey what is a prod exactly; just a reminder from the mod to stay active or does it mean more and is it kind of a sanction? at what point is a reserve player taken to substitute another? the mod gives x days to post or he's replaced when he "prods" someone?

as long as he always comes back to say "hey i m alive but i m buisy" he can last the whole game.. people will just say they are going to leave him until he gives an explanation.. but if he's scum why would he give one if he knows we are not going to lynch him before he brings in some serious content and he claims?

day 2 has no end deadline, so i suggest we give jimfinn till sunday to claim or send a much more concrete defense than what we received till today.