The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[StorrZerg]

Unvote Vote Sausage

claim is easy to prove or disprove. If its wrong we have our next lynch, obviously doc knows what to do imo


If the lynch flips town, then we we have 2 people to lynch.

Though, why did you wait so long to claim the cop check?

fp

[MudPuppy]

Though, why did you wait so long to claim the cop check?

I tried to explain that above. I wanted to see where people were voting and what reads they were making on D3 before they had access to the knowledge I did. I wanted to get as much commitment by others out there as I could in case it would help with analyzing faction reads.

I'm surprised by the reaction to my waiting 'til half way through the day to reveal. The timing allowed for all but 2 votes to have been made as well as Sausage's claim. Yet the timing of it still leaves plenty of opportunity to discuss the claim. If I had to do it a gain, I'd claim at the same point.

What is the norm for when a cop reveals his investigation results? First thing in the morning seems far too quick unless it leads to an open and shut case to end the game. Announcing it even later in the day would reduce the amount of time everyone has to digest the information. Perhaps my inexperience led to me claiming later than the norm... but I thought my timing was perfect. When would you have announced it and why?

[StorrZerg]

MP you think there is a connection with sausage and jmac?

[kgb007]

Sausage is at L1 by my count

[Jmac1026]

Sausage is at L1 by my count

Unvote. Lets at least hear from whatsausage.

[superkeener]

Official Vote Count 3.4

Anarkistsdream (0):
jak111 (0):
Jmac1026 (3): jak111, virus90, Anarkistsdream
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (0):
MudPuppy (0):
spiesr (1): Whatsausage
virus90 (0):
L-2 Whatsausage (4): MudPuppy, pancakemix, kgb007, StorrZerg
StorrZerg (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (2): spiesr, Jmac1026

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Deadline for DAY 3 is: Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

[MudPuppy]

You missed jmac's vote, superkeener... it should be:

Official Vote Count 3.4

Anarkistsdream (0):
jak111 (0):
Jmac1026 (3): jak111, virus90, Anarkistsdream
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (0):
MudPuppy (0):
spiesr (1): Whatsausage
virus90 (0):
L-1 Whatsausage (4): MudPuppy, pancakemix, kgb007, Jmac1026, StorrZerg
StorrZerg (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (2): spiesr

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Deadline for DAY 3 is: Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

[MudPuppy]

Nevermind... I missed his unvote. You're good. Sorry.

[MudPuppy]

MP you think there is a connection with sausage and jmac?

If jmac is anti-town there is.
I haven't noticed a connection up to this point but the next time I re-read I'll be on the lookout. Are you suggesting you've noticed one?

What does everyone think of jak's reaction to my claim? I'm trying to be objective in my analysis that his read on me has seemingly taken a big swing for what I think is a trivial reason... but it is very possible I'm a bit biased despite my efforts not to be. I've been working off the premise that jak truly is a pro-town 3P... but I'm becoming less and less sure of that.

[jak111]

Once Sausage flips town, I'll gladly do what needs to be done.

It's scummy MP, because you are constantly pushing on Jmac and say you would like to vote him, but then out of no where you claim to have a guilty on Sausage. That's not holding your cards close, that's completely flipping your choice in a matter of hours that just so happens to be on a roleblocker claim.

For the town, think about it, with a roleblocker gone, one that may have STOPPED a kill from N1. Now a claim to get him killed.

Heck the roleblocker may of even stopped a recruiting N1 or N2.

But no, lets trust the scummy cop claim that just so happens to be on one of our PR claims that may have found a vampire/scum.

pcm is voting Sausage because why not, the "cop" cleared him.

Oh and then everyone is forgetting that Iron Butterfly was trying to constantly lynch Sausage. Hmmm, but let's throw that out the window that a scum was voting him and neither of the scum really ever voted MP. Oh yeah, that bit of detail is quickly cast away, oops.

Finally @pcm. LOL, I even said why I made it a different colour, to tell apart from the list -.- Read what you want will you? If I die I'll just appear orange like regular 3rd parties do.

But no, this quick bandwagon on Sausage with no real thought into it is saddening to see my towniest reads all on him. Then the guy I think is fake claiming VT is the only one that stops it from being a speed hammer. It's a sad day for my reads.

FP'd by MP. You're less and less sure? You know I'm pro-town if you're with the other faction MP. That's why it's hard for you to think else wise. Everyone forgets that Iron Butterfly wanted to lynch Sausage and he was pretty concrete on it as well. My reaction to your poor claim is because you did not think it through. No one has cc'd you yet which I am surprised. But it does not mean it's not a fake claim as well.

[StorrZerg]

MP you think there is a connection with sausage and jmac?

If jmac is anti-town there is.
I haven't noticed a connection up to this point but the next time I re-read I'll be on the lookout. Are you suggesting you've noticed one?

What does everyone think of jak's reaction to my claim? I'm trying to be objective in my analysis that his read on me has seemingly taken a big swing for what I think is a trivial reason... but it is very possible I'm a bit biased despite my efforts not to be. I've been working off the premise that jak truly is a pro-town 3P... but I'm becoming less and less sure of that.

I'm saying jmac was close to going over when that claim was made. So yes I find it worth looking into more so after a flip.

[Jmac1026]

Jak, you pointing that IB wanted to lynch Sausage misses one crucial bit: Mudpuppy said (if I read everything correctly) that Sausage came up "anti-town," not as mafia. IB could have wanted a lynch of him not knowing he was a different third party. He could be one of your "vampires."

Alternatively, he could have been trying to set up a late game play when he could have said "well I was on X scummy player all along, I must not be scum." Unfortunately, there is no way to know now that IB is dead.

[StorrZerg]

Any counter claims to cop? if not....

[Jmac1026]

We should still wait until Whatsausage posts. If anyone sees him browsing the forums and he doesn't post, maybe then.

I'll gladly hammer him he doesn't post in the next 30 hours or so. Its not like I'd lose anything anyway if he flips town, most of town wanting my lynch and all.

[jak111]

Unvote, Vote Spiesr

^ Let me explain.

If I am right, we kill a scum in the day and I can kill MP at night.

If I'm wrong, spiesr said he's something that would not notice being blocked, so I doubt we'd lose much. But then I can kill Sausage in the night.

Either way either our Roleblocker or Cop survives (whichever one is telling the truth).

I in no way condone the lynch of someone this easily with a scummy claim. That's like some random person claiming tracker near the day's end and saying they followed MP to HotShot N2. You guys are believing the claim without question.

FP'd twice. Again, there's a better alternative than lynching our claimed roleblocker. If he dies and flips town, we could be at LYLO and then I have to make every bloody shot count with no misses.

FP'd by Jmac, that's where you're wrong, if he's town, that's a powerful role to lose. A roleblocker can be much more effective than a cop in a potential cult game.

[spiesr]

Oh and then everyone is forgetting that Iron Butterfly was trying to constantly lynch Sausage. Hmmm, but let's throw that out the window that a scum was voting him and neither of the scum really ever voted MP.

With multiple anti-town groups this means even less than usual.

We should still wait until Whatsausage posts. If anyone sees him browsing the forums and he doesn't post, maybe then.

I'll gladly hammer him he doesn't post in the next 30 hours or so. Its not like I'd lose anything anyway if he flips town, most of town wanting my lynch and all.

I wouldn't expect him to post again within that time frame.

Jak, you are linking things up too tightly. As things stand it remains totally possible for both whatsausage and myself to be town and telling the truth. (If you think MudPuppy is really lying that is.) I am not claiming that what whatsausage did not block me, just that he didn't prevent a kill by doing so. Me flipping Town doesn't prove anything beyond that.

[jak111]

Too tightly? Don't you find it odd how NO ONE ELSE is questioning MP's claim? They all hop aboard without a second thought.

spiesr, what is your role worth to town right now? Us losing a roleblocker on a potential cult scenario is devastating at the very least. If this is a cult scenario the cop is basically worthless as each time he clears someone the next night the cult could recruit them.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I find people willing to lynch the claimed roleblocker so quickly and easily to be odd. Roleblockers are powerful roles. Any anti-town would want one dead so they cannot be blocked which is much more effective than even a doc save because no matter who they pick they can't attack/recruit.

As where a doc much find the one they're attacking. Roleblocker is pretty much like a doc that hunts for the killer instead of the target of the killers.

So effectively it's like we're lynching a bloody doc over a scummy cop claim.

[MudPuppy]

I'm saying jmac was close to going over when that claim was made. So yes I find it worth looking into more so after a flip.

Ah, I got you now... Yes, I certainly considered that whatsausage's claim to set up spiesr may have been designed to take pressure off jmac. However, the more jak talks, the more I think jmac may be telling the truth. I am still suspicious of jmac but, again, that is largely based on 1) his push on RD; and 2) jak's "90%" positive scum read on him. The longer jak goes without explaining what it is about jmac that generated that 90% scum read... and the more jak talks about how scummy I am (not from an OMGUS perspective... but from a "wow, that was a big flip-flop you just made" perspective), the more I'm beginning to believe jmac. So, I need to re-read everything from a different viewpoint and see if I can figure out what makes most sense.

Jak, if we lynch sausage tonight AND if he flips anti-town... how do expect town to trust you going forward? If you are not anti-town, you are betting a lot on your newfound scum read of me... a read I can assure you is incorrect. If your theory of me is disproved with an anti-town sausage lynch, what do you intend to do with your action tonight? How do you intend to prove to town that your read of me was just a really bad mistake and not something more sinister??? I know I'll need something more than an "oops, my bad" apology.

We should still wait until Whatsausage posts. If anyone sees him browsing the forums and he doesn't post, maybe then.

I'll gladly hammer him he doesn't post in the next 30 hours or so. Its not like I'd lose anything anyway if he flips town, most of town wanting my lynch and all.

I wouldn't expect him to post again within that time frame.

Sausage's profile shows he was on CC just over an hour ago:

I also know he was on shortly after midnight (after I posted my claim). It doesn't mean he checked the Mafia forum but I bet he did.

[jak111]

You're reading too much into the 90% MP. It's a figure of speech. It's like if I was to say now I am 90% sure this is a bloody wrong lynch. Percentages really do not matter. That's you reading too much into that one thing back on D2 when we had next to nothing.

I can accept being wrong if I am proven so. But I believe I am not. Your claim came JUST in time to save Jmac and/or spiesr from the noose and put another claimed town PR in it.

Perhaps even spiesr AND Jmac are town and you see Sausage as a threat and just want him gone to give your buddies a chance.

I hope pcm comes back in here, saying I am thinking highly of myself. A "cop" that claimed today and has one late "guilty" report on a claimed town PR expects me to bow down to him and apologise for his scummy timing claim? I shot 2 baddies without town's help or input. For all we know you're misdirecting town to a town PR.

Again, I accept I MAY be wrong, but your timing that saves both Jmac and spiesr from the noose is too fishy to completely ignore and sheep in like the others have.

But you want to know how do I expect town to trust me if he flips anti-town? Because I could be making an honest mistake, unlike you. You're either being truthful and made the claim at a point and time I find extremely scummy or you're lying. Unlike you, I am not sure. You already know if you're town or vampire or mafia. I do not. Do not expect me to trust you off your claim alone. Yes, I town-read you up until your claim, but I was completely wrong in how I read you. I read you as a doc. Not as a cop, you claiming cop already messes up the read I originally had on you.

If Sausage, by some miracle does flip town, I wont be shooting at you or spiesr. But, if he does flip town like I believe he will, I will put an arrow right between your eyes before you can flinch and no doc will stop me if Sausage flips what he claims.

If he flips mafia/vampire, I'll have my choice of 6 guys to pick from (well 5 since I 100% believe Anark) ((Oh and 4 if pcm really is town I guess, could be Godfather type role but I'd leave him alone for tonight if Sausage flips mafia)).

virus
Storr
Jmac
kgb

So, if you all believe Sausage is mafia, the 4 of them better make me believe they're town. Because they'll be the litter I choose from.

So before you 4 leave your vote on Sausage, tell me why I shouldn't kill you tonight if Sausage DOES flip mafia?

[jak111]

If Sausage, by some miracle does flip mafia, I wont be shooting at you or spiesr. But, if he does flip town like I believe he will, I will put an arrow right between your eyes before you can flinch and no doc will stop me if Sausage flips what he claims.

EBWOP (Accidentally typed town where I meant to say mafia)

[MudPuppy]

You're reading too much into the 90% MP. It's a figure of speech. It's like if I was to say now I am 90% sure this is a bloody wrong lynch. Percentages really do not matter. That's you reading too much into that one thing back on D2 when we had next to nothing.

Sounds like backtracking to me. Perhaps I'm being too literal but I do not in any way interpret 90% as a mere figure of speech. I work in finance with numbers and percentages and I do take them quite literally. Perhaps you truly didn't mean 90%... but, if that's the case then you most certainly shouldn't have said it.

[StorrZerg]

easy jak. i didnt hammer jmac to end the day. I was clearly on at the time, and was clearly looking for more discussion. + Check my voting and reasoning for this day. I'm pretty straight forward.

Also i'm town you donkey


FP

[MudPuppy]

Yes, I town-read you up until your claim, but I was completely wrong in how I read you. I read you as a doc. Not as a cop, you claiming cop already messes up the read I originally had on you.

What did I say that gave you a doc read on me as opposed to some other member of town? Did you already have someone else pegged as a cop?

[jak111]

You're reading too much into the 90% MP. It's a figure of speech. It's like if I was to say now I am 90% sure this is a bloody wrong lynch. Percentages really do not matter. That's you reading too much into that one thing back on D2 when we had next to nothing.

Sounds like backtracking to me. Perhaps I'm being too literal but I do not in any way interpret 90% as a mere figure of speech. I work in finance with numbers and percentages and I do take them quite literally. Perhaps you truly didn't mean 90%... but, if that's the case then you most certainly shouldn't have said it.

Again, you read way too much into it. This is a game of mafia, either you're 100% sure or you're not. It all comes down to WIFOM. It comes down to whether people believe Sausage stopped a kill/recruitment, it comes down to whether people believe Anark's VT claim, it all comes down to believing other people.

Right now, I do not believe you. I wont until we see what you or sausage flips.

So Storr? Others didn't hammer Jmac as well, heck, if Jmac is scum why would scum hammer? Now you claim you wanted more discussion, Sausage was nearly lynched until Jmac pulled his vote off to allow him some time to speak, there was no discussion there. It was MP claims cop, everyone sheeps him immediately without questioning the claim its self.

FP's by MP. For all I know there is no cop in the game. I just always assume there to be a cop and a doc at least in each game. It is not mandatory for them to be in it.

I had you pegged for doc in the way you cared if Storr was accidentally lynched D1, with your reaction to Anark I believed no way you could be a VT and you just didn't play scummy for the majority of the game. Though all it takes is this one bad claim and my read on you fell apart. To me, you're scum trying to get the town roleblocker lynched. I would not be surprised if there's 1-2 other scum on that bandwagon.

[spiesr]

You're reading too much into the 90% MP. It's a figure of speech. It's like if I was to say now I am 90% sure this is a bloody wrong lynch. Percentages really do not matter. That's you reading too much into that one thing back on D2 when we had next to nothing.

I believe he wants to know why you were so confident when you appear to have not really had anything.

I hope pcm comes back in here, saying I am thinking highly of myself. A "cop" that claimed today and has one late "guilty" report on a claimed town PR expects me to bow down to him and apologise for his scummy timing claim? I shot 2 baddies without town's help or input. For all we know you're misdirecting town to a town PR.

You're non-town, stop acting so high and mighty about it. If your claim is true then you haven't even done a very good job working on claim claimed win condition.