[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 4

[Loose Canon]

Sure EW

Same terms as offered to sonic and rag.

As soon as one of us is out message me with your favourite charity cc ing Charle.

And no game discussion outside this forum till we are both out.

Fpd by extreme

[Loose Canon]

Good arguments Extreme in your last post.

Re powers and game balance;
Town Doc-Sonic, Jailkeeper, Probably Cop but could be a massive forced gamble - Halrob
Mafia ; Hooker, Lurcher/Watcher, Something more - possibly 4th player if no SK possibly extra kill with or without SK

You have Sonic and Rag ostensibly at least arguing with each other, others will vie for one or the other - divide and rule.
The longer your claim went unchallenged the more magnified this would appear to others.
You could have had Sonic being one of the votes lynching Kingm.

The big problem you have is your first line of defence as far as others are concerned re your guilt is Extreme is smart and his play is too outlandish for a smart guy like Exrtreme.
But fact remains a Town Extreme has outed his power and 50/50 Sonic FOR NOTHING.
A Mafia Extreme has on the other hand turned perceived town power against itself.

Fractured town + EW is too smart is sum that is much more powerful than its parts.
And going back to the argument that Town is too powerful, who knows perhaps it is in the view of a Mafia EW - all the more reason for the play you made.

But good arguments from you Extreme.

[Extreme Ways]

Sure EW

Same terms as offered to sonic and rag.

As soon as one of us is out message me with your favourite charity cc ing Charle.

And no game discussion outside this forum till we are both out.

Fpd by extreme

I would be cheating since I know my alignment and thus know that I cannot lose

but if you insist, put 100 aside for the education of one of your children of if you have none, your nephes/nieces.

[Loose Canon]

You are a gentleman Mafia Extreme.

Definitely not the shady lurker you are unfortunate to be associated with.

How did such a good guy turn bad?

[Ragian]

What do you mean Son!c not being counterclaimed? Son!c hasn't claimed anything apart from the fact that he visited halrob. Apparently, that's honky dory with everyone despite the fact that we know:
A) halrob wasn't targeted by scum or whoever else is doing some killing around here.
B) we've had one protective town role die. Obviously, Son!c is not a protective role.

@Loose, you did not read that post carefully as I asked you to. I'll try it a bit more bluntly: Son!c does not have a protective role.

[chanakam2020]

In fact charity bet sonic and rag open to each of you.

I say extreme is mafia, sonic is town doc, rag and I are vanilla town.

If I'm right in all 4 respects you give £100 to your favourite charity.
If I'm wrong in ANY of the 4 respects I'll give £100 to your favourite charity and £100 to mine.

So if both of you took me up and I'm wrong in any of the 4 respects I give £400 to charity.

??

I am volunteering to be the charity

[chanakam2020]

Chanakam seems to be flip flopping about and seems to be the town fool but I think he is too clever for that role.

You mean this role ?
https://mafiamystery.fandom.com/wiki/Fool

[SoN!c]

What do you mean Son!c not being counterclaimed? Son!c hasn't claimed anything apart from the fact that he visited halrob. Apparently, that's honky dory with everyone despite the fact that we know:
A) halrob wasn't targeted by scum or whoever else is doing some killing around here.
B) we've had one protective town role die. Obviously, Son!c is not a protective role.

@Loose, you did not read that post carefully as I asked you to. I'll try it a bit more bluntly: Son!c does not have a protective role.

You wanted to say : "targeted by scum" i assume? But then the truth kicked in your typing doing a freudian

Type more carefully Ragian if you want people to read it more carefully

[Extreme Ways]

What do you mean Son!c not being counterclaimed? Son!c hasn't claimed anything apart from the fact that he visited halrob. Apparently, that's honky dory with everyone despite the fact that we know:
A) halrob wasn't targeted by scum or whoever else is doing some killing around here.
B) we've had one protective town role die. Obviously, Son!c is not a protective role.

@Loose, you did not read that post carefully as I asked you to. I'll try it a bit more bluntly: Son!c does not have a protective role.

Sonic claimed Doc, I'm pretty sure.

I'm not sure about the double protectives since we have double nightkill + double investigatives too.

I am voting outside of the claims today.

[Loose Canon]

Out hiking but skimmed through.

@Loose, as per my list D1, I suspect Son!c. Now EW claims that Son!c visited halrob, which, weirdly, makes EW think Son!c is town. Son!c, in turn, buddies up to EW. EW, however, has made him selv an escape hatch by saying that he doesn't know if Son!c is town.

Knowing that Son!c visited halrob N1 confirms my D1 suspicion of Son!c. Therefore, vote Son!c. Son!c did not visit halrob in a protective capacity.

I'm also weary of chana who seems to limp in with his vote on kingm, seemingly thinking that it doesn't look suspicious now.

Town:
Hjelp
Loose
Halrob

No clue:
Devante
Devon
Max
Kingm

Suspicion:
Chana
EW

Scum:
Son!c

Rag, sorry;

It is my contention that EW did know Sonic visited Halrob , whether that is as a Town EW or a Mafia EW is the question I asked myself.
EW knows full well that to a town EW that could be as a Town Sonic or Mafia Sonic.
EW has thrown shade on Sonic I'd say to the max by "weirdly" saying he thinks Sonic is town and at the same time has thrown shade on you with his supicions and vote on you instead.
The effect of what EW has done is players who thought Sonic is mafia will think Sonic is mafia.
Players who thought Sonic was town will partly question whether they still think so - some will some won't, those who still do will question whether they think you are Mafia.
A mafia EW knows whether Sonic is mafia or town.
A mafia EW figured I or we would only think EW was mafia if we thought Sonic was town.
This in itself magnifies the suspicion on Sonic because the inclination is to go for Sonic first, then only if Sonic flips mafia to go for EW

I unlike you had a bias towards thinking Sonic was town beforehand.

EWs as a town EW outing himself power role and outing to mafia Sonics power if Sonic is town did not sit right with me.

Sonics being sure that EW was town needed challenging.
- to a townie you can be EW is probably town but you can't be sure and EW just didn't sit right with me.

I've demonstrated EW CAN be mafia and Sonic CAN be town.
In fact to me that is demonstrated so well and what has happened fits in so well with those 2 CANS I have gone on to assert that I am as confident as I can be that EW IS Mafia and Sonic IS Town.

fpd by extreme

[Ragian]

What do you mean Son!c not being counterclaimed? Son!c hasn't claimed anything apart from the fact that he visited halrob. Apparently, that's honky dory with everyone despite the fact that we know:
A) halrob wasn't targeted by scum or whoever else is doing some killing around here.
B) we've had one protective town role die. Obviously, Son!c is not a protective role.

@Loose, you did not read that post carefully as I asked you to. I'll try it a bit more bluntly: Son!c does not have a protective role.

You wanted to say : "targeted by scum" i assume? But then the truth kicked in your typing doing a freudian

Type more carefully Ragian if you want people to read it more carefully

Why don't you just take a break? It doesn't flatter you when you want to correct something and make a clever remark about it when it's absolutely as intended. He WASN'T targeted by scum for the night kill.

[Ragian]

What do you mean Son!c not being counterclaimed? Son!c hasn't claimed anything apart from the fact that he visited halrob. Apparently, that's honky dory with everyone despite the fact that we know:
A) halrob wasn't targeted by scum or whoever else is doing some killing around here.
B) we've had one protective town role die. Obviously, Son!c is not a protective role.

@Loose, you did not read that post carefully as I asked you to. I'll try it a bit more bluntly: Son!c does not have a protective role.

Sonic claimed Doc, I'm pretty sure.

I'm not sure about the double protectives since we have double nightkill + double investigatives too.

I am voting outside of the claims today.

Show me where Son!c claimed doc. It's very important.

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@Loose, I get your points. I just need you to know that Son!c did not visit halrob in any protective capacity.

[SoN!c]

What do you mean Son!c not being counterclaimed? Son!c hasn't claimed anything apart from the fact that he visited halrob. Apparently, that's honky dory with everyone despite the fact that we know:
A) halrob wasn't targeted by scum or whoever else is doing some killing around here.
B) we've had one protective town role die. Obviously, Son!c is not a protective role.

@Loose, you did not read that post carefully as I asked you to. I'll try it a bit more bluntly: Son!c does not have a protective role.

You wanted to say : "targeted by scum" i assume? But then the truth kicked in your typing doing a freudian

Type more carefully Ragian if you want people to read it more carefully

Why don't you just take a break? It doesn't flatter you when you want to correct something and make a clever remark about it when it's absolutely as intended. He WASN'T targeted by scum for the night kill.

You said "he wasn't targeted by scum". You did not type "for the night kill" there. You typed very clearly "Halrob wasnt visited by scum" which would be very plaudible knowing he would be protected. Also you seem to know for sure and without any foubt what the mafia faction did exactly and in full detail like your 100% sure knowing it all to well. Thats the vibe your post has.

FP by Ragian the elfen dorc (who weaves to much assumptions in for real facts steering the boat his way) and who clearly seems to know things that town would be unsure about

[Ragian]

Oh, come ON. "...wasn't targeted by scum or whoever else is doing some killing" clearly infers killing. Jesus...

[SoN!c]

Oh, come ON. "...wasn't targeted by scum or whoever else is doing some killing" clearly infers killing. Jesus...

Fact of the matter is, and remains: you seem to know more then others.

[Loose Canon]

What do you mean Son!c not being counterclaimed? Son!c hasn't claimed anything apart from the fact that he visited halrob. Apparently, that's honky dory with everyone despite the fact that we know:
A) halrob wasn't targeted by scum or whoever else is doing some killing around here.
B) we've had one protective town role die. Obviously, Son!c is not a protective role.

@Loose, you did not read that post carefully as I asked you to. I'll try it a bit more bluntly: Son!c does not have a protective role.

Sonic claimed Doc, I'm pretty sure.

I'm not sure about the double protectives since we have double nightkill + double investigatives too.

I am voting outside of the claims today.

Show me where Son!c claimed doc. It's very important.

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@Loose, I get your points. I just need you to know that Son!c did not visit halrob in any protective capacity.

Well if you KNOW Sonic did not visit Halrob in a protective capacity that would force me to go back to square one, and make myself sick on humble pie.
So sick I might need a town doc (if any) to day visit me!

FPd

[SoN!c]

Out hiking but skimmed through.

@Loose, as per my list D1, I suspect Son!c. Now EW claims that Son!c visited halrob, which, weirdly, makes EW think Son!c is town. Son!c, in turn, buddies up to EW. EW, however, has made him selv an escape hatch by saying that he doesn't know if Son!c is town.

Knowing that Son!c visited halrob N1 confirms my D1 suspicion of Son!c. Therefore, vote Son!c. Son!c did not visit halrob in a protective capacity.

I'm also weary of chana who seems to limp in with his vote on kingm, seemingly thinking that it doesn't look suspicious now.

Town:
Hjelp
Loose
Halrob

No clue:
Devante
Devon
Max
Kingm

Suspicion:
Chana
EW

Scum:
Son!c

Rag, sorry;

It is my contention that EW did know Sonic visited Halrob , whether that is as a Town EW or a Mafia EW is the question I asked myself.
EW knows full well that to a town EW that could be as a Town Sonic or Mafia Sonic.
EW has thrown shade on Sonic I'd say to the max by "weirdly" saying he thinks Sonic is town and at the same time has thrown shade on you with his supicions and vote on you instead.
The effect of what EW has done is players who thought Sonic is mafia will think Sonic is mafia.
Players who thought Sonic was town will partly question whether they still think so - some will some won't, those who still do will question whether they think you are Mafia.
A mafia EW knows whether Sonic is mafia or town.
A mafia EW figured I or we would only think EW was mafia if we thought Sonic was town.
This in itself magnifies the suspicion on Sonic because the inclination is to go for Sonic first, then only if Sonic flips mafia to go for EW

I unlike you had a bias towards thinking Sonic was town beforehand.

EWs as a town EW outing himself power role and outing to mafia Sonics power if Sonic is town did not sit right with me.

Sonics being sure that EW was town needed challenging.
- to a townie you can be EW is probably town but you can't be sure and EW just didn't sit right with me.

I've demonstrated EW CAN be mafia and Sonic CAN be town.
In fact to me that is demonstrated so well and what has happened fits in so well with those 2 CANS I have gone on to assert that I am as confident as I can be that EW IS Mafia and Sonic IS Town.

fpd by extreme

Good points. Would be EW grand master chess play if so

[Ragian]

Oh, come ON. "...wasn't targeted by scum or whoever else is doing some killing" clearly infers killing. Jesus...

Fact of the matter is, and remains: you seem to know more then others.

Everyone knows what I wrote. No killing was foiled. Are you entertaining three killing abilities? You just want to find tiny loopholes. You're sooo scum, my friend

[SoN!c]

What bugs me is Ragian pushing this so hard like it’s case closed. if anything, that looks like scum trying to frame me on half info. I get it why im the scum target. But if anything its not smart town play to go all in on a gamble which is not Ragians style when town in the first place.

What looks more off to me is how fast Ragian wanted to paint me as 100% scum without even considering other options like bodyguard or what Loose did questioning EW, or even considering sonic just playing along with EW. That’s not careful town logic — that’s pushing a narrative. Nothing a town thinking Ragian would do on such an important day.

so yeah, i’m putting this down:

Vote Ragian

[Loose Canon]

Rag, you've virtually counterclaimed a town protective role - haven't you?

Is there a possibility here of bus driving by mafia re you/sonic visiting Halrob.

And I must confess here I've raised a possibility of bus driving without really understanding the mechanics of that role.

[Charle]

Vote Count:

King (2) - Chanakam, EW
Ragian (2) - hjelp, Sonic
Sonic (1) - Ragian
EW (1) - Loose

11 Alive - 6 Needed for a lynch

[Extreme Ways]

EW is town. Im very sure on that assesment.

For all the rest i will have to take a leap of faith i guess. EW is the chess grand master..

I was breadcrumbing too D1 by posting the right songs.

One ACDC hard rock song (live at river plate argenitina 2009 is very famous by the hard core fans because the quote "i have one more in me")

And the name of the song seems very spot on after N1. When breadcrumbing i chose it because that was how i'd be playing the game. Hard and fast. Not thinking bout tomorrow

I figured this was a hard doc claim.

[SoN!c]

What i think happened is this: Ragian and not Darin roleblocked Halrob (otherwise watcher EW would have seen Darin visiting Halrob).

Start of D2 Ragian was very hush-hush when EW called him and me out.

Ragian then quickly realised he had to firmly pin his night actions on me as his only escape route.

[Loose Canon]

Rag, you've virtually counterclaimed a town protective role - haven't you?

Is there a possibility here of bus driving by mafia re you/sonic visiting Halrob.

And I must confess here I've raised a possibility of bus driving without really understanding the mechanics of that role.

And so I'll ask this bus driving question to you too then sonic.

A town sonic a town rag going at each other not good for town to put it mildly

[Extreme Ways]

What i think happened is this: Ragian and not Darin roleblocked Halrob (otherwise watcher EW would have seen Darin visiting Halrob).

Start of D2 Ragian was very hush-hush when EW called him and me out.

Ragian then quickly realised he had to firmly pin his night actions on me as his only escape route.

That is one of my assumptions but it strays a bit from occam's razor. Given Rag's stance towards you, @Rag, am I correct in you being 100% sure either you or Sonic is wolf?

Also I am a tracker, not a watcher. I only stated my investigation results this way to see how you two would react.