The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Wolves win

[Loose Canon]

Sorry for DBL post just thought of something else and it looked like I hadn't posted. Will post again if what I thought of checks out

[Loose Canon]

I'm tired and don't know for sure if this check out or not but;

Read Werewolves and read Devoted servant.

The BBW can't have bitten DDS because Strike had been eliminated before N1 - isn't that correct?
That being the case isn't the only way DDS can have been bitten by D2 is if Devoted Servant had been played before Strike was eliminated?
Therefore Devoted Servant becomes ACW.
Not necessarily Votanic but who more likely than Votanic to have played Devoted Servant on Strikes role just before Strike is eliminated thereby becoming ACW themselves and being the only player that could have bitten Strike given there was a kill on N1?

Am I making a tired mistake somewhere or does this actually check out?

[degaston]

If LC is the white wolf then Charle is probably Wolfie too

That depends on whether LC (assuming for the moment that he is the white wolf) thought he had a better chance of surviving with town cred for exposing a wolf, or by eliminating both Swang and Charle in one blow and maintaining his immunity.

In any case, since you apparently have things all figured out, why don't you tell us who the other wolf is? (Or is there more than one?)

You ofcourse - why else was simple villager Mpolo modkilled and newbies Josko / Parked not??

That's your "reasoning"? Josko and Parked were replaced, but Mpolo was modkilled, therefore I'm a werewolf?
Well, that certainly is an open and shut case! I guess we can all go home now. Slap the cuffs on me - Sonic has it all figured out!

Maybe you should ask Traf about this, and not me. My guess would be that it was mainly because he was out of substitutes, but also because he knows that subbing in a player later in the game can be kind of unfair to the rest of the players. They will not have any post or voting history to look back on for that player.

[Maxleod]

That's fucking hilarious. "Town", now you want to enforce my plan? The plan that got me lynched? Stupid sheep. Blindly following the lead of false gods...

And yeah, why wasn't mpolo replaced Traf? I could replace him, just say so (food for thought town?)... Let's face it, I'm the last hope for Town.

If Traf or whoever has the power to bring me back doesn't bring me back, GO PUPPIES!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ragian]

Almost as hilarious as you shooting Fusi instead of Loose

Anyway! Right now, after the evidence put forward rather than just as a random baseless outburst, I'm in favour of swang barbing Loose.

[Charle]

Guys, Loose is playing with us, time for a haircut, rather sooner than later. The other wolves who want to get me lynched are also very suspicious. I caught Loose out pants down and I knew he was not the Seer when he came up with the story that he visited me last night.

I am 100% town. I am the Scandalmonger, each night I can choose a player and the next day there will be 2 votes against him. I chose DDS the first night for 2 reasons:
1. DDS's objection of a confession on D1 against him
2. To get the message out to town that we have a Scandalmonger with such powers

I further left some breadcrumbs to try and get a claim out of DDS by also voting DDS on D2, meaning I had 3 votes there but obviously town was not paying with.

FP by Ragian

It is bad for town that Deg had to reveal himself, just hope our defender can save him tonight, that role is very important and he should be protected for as long as we possibly can.

So now, we need to lynch wolves, else we are farming backwards.

Sorry Sonic, but your effort to get rid of me feels very scummy to me and I would like to get a claim out of you as well. Do you want to claim or do we have to force one with voting?

[degaston]

It is bad for town that Deg had to reveal himself...

I think you meant Dev.

[Charle]

It is bad for town that Deg had to reveal himself...

I think you meant Dev.

Yes, sorry man!

[SoN!c]

Guys, Loose is playing with us, time for a haircut, rather sooner than later. The other wolves who want to get me lynched are also very suspicious. I caught Loose out pants down and I knew he was not the Seer when he came up with the story that he visited me last night.

I am 100% town. I am the Scandalmonger, each night I can choose a player and the next day there will be 2 votes against him. I chose DDS the first night for 2 reasons:
1. DDS's objection of a confession on D1 against him
2. To get the message out to town that we have a Scandalmonger with such powers

I further left some breadcrumbs to try and get a claim out of DDS by also voting DDS on D2, meaning I had 3 votes there but obviously town was not paying with.

FP by Ragian

It is bad for town that Deg had to reveal himself, just hope our defender can save him tonight, that role is very important and he should be protected for as long as we possibly can.

So now, we need to lynch wolves, else we are farming backwards.

Sorry Sonic, but your effort to get rid of me feels very scummy to me and I would like to get a claim out of you as well. Do you want to claim or do we have to force one with voting?

I have no problem with claiming and i already posted sometime ago that i was thinking who the scandalmonger was: the truth is i was thinking it was you. Because you saw the dive too and commented on it just like me. DDS was thinking i was the scandalmonger but no, Im cupid. I shot 2 arrows in DDS and Fusi because DDS's dive and Fusi being so silent (on D1). I was thinking i would at least hit 1 wolf. Seems i was right on that with the "bitten" mark on DDS.

I voted you because Loose his claim he was the seer (this was before Deve counterclaimed). And it was just 1 vote..

UNVOTE

[Loose Canon]

Guys Town are -5 and WW are -1 Ambiguous 0 Loners 0 in terms of players down.

Do the maths - Don't know if Swang is Town or not - but can Town risk going down -7.

And yes Votanics play fits Town pretty damned well - but not perfectly - I don't think it fits quite right with the maths.
But it fits Devoted Servant near on Perfect.

[Charle]

Ok, the confirmed Townies and probably targets of the wolfes are:
1. EW
2. Vot
3. Devante
4. Sonic
5. Charle

Confirmed Wolves (third party wolf?):
6. LC

Three wolves between the rest:
7. Swang
8. Pixar
9. Ewe
10. Ragian
11. Deg
12. Thor

If Swang is town and give LC a shave, then there will be 11 players left and probably 6 votes to a lynch.

Mpolo was modkilled and not replaced. As Max rightfully mentioned, why was Parked and Josko replaced but not Mpolo? Is it maybe that Parked and Josko (now Ragian and Deg) are wolves?

My suggestion would be that our Defender save Dev tonight (and every night for that matter as long as possible) and he should start visiting Rag or Deg?

[Ragian]

@Son!c, what exactly did you do to Fusi and DDS?

[SoN!c]

@Son!c, what exactly did you do to Fusi and DDS?

I named them as lovers on N1

[*Pixar*]

Ok, the confirmed Townies and probably targets of the wolfes are:
1. EW
2. Vot
3. Devante
4. Sonic
5. Charle

Confirmed Wolves (third party wolf?):
6. LC

Three wolves between the rest:
7. Swang
8. Pixar
9. Ewe
10. Ragian
11. Deg
12. Thor

If Swang is town and give LC a shave, then there will be 11 players left and probably 6 votes to a lynch.

Mpolo was modkilled and not replaced. As Max rightfully mentioned, why was Parked and Josko replaced but not Mpolo? Is it maybe that Parked and Josko (now Ragian and Deg) are wolves?

My suggestion would be that our Defender save Dev tonight (and every night for that matter as long as possible) and he should start visiting Rag or Deg?

Not sure why I am being put on this list of wolves, I stated from Day 2 I thought Loose voting me so early was scummy as hell. To me I think Devante/Charle are telling the truth and Loose is trying to fool us. I say we use swang for LC and if it comes back LC was telling the truth, we know who to go after, Devante. Charle still wouldn't be off the hook as it could be a wolf targeting a wolf to give Charle town credit

[Ragian]

@Son!c, what exactly did you do to Fusi and DDS?

I named them as lovers on N1

Why did Max shoot Fusi instead of Loose?

[swang918]

Why did Max shoot Fusi instead of Loose?

Shooting Fusi wasn't terrible because Fusi came in with a vote at L-1 with little explanation, which feels kind of scummy. But yea still no reason for Max not to shoot Loose if he was that suspicious of him on D2.

[swang918]

Anyway, the only hesitation I have here is, why would Loose falsely accuse Charle if Loose is the white wolf. Loose would never have lasted long once we found out. But I guess I can chalk it up to a misjudging of the strength of his own immunity.
There's just no reason for Devante to come in and lie that I can tell.

Razor kill Loose Canon

[SoN!c]

Also there is no counterclaim on Charle and rulebook p. 18-19 says pyro (ragian1) and scandalmonger (Charle claim) are "characters specific to village"

[TrafalgarLaw01]

The Barber heavily suspect the Barkeep so he invite him to his Barbershop and when he had it at his mercy he cut his throath

Loose Canon


Allegiance - Third Party

The White Werewolf
This miscreant creature hate the Werewolves as much as the villagers
Each Night you wake up with the other wolves to choose a player to feast on.
Every Even Night you can wake by yourself and choose to eat a wolf (This is optional).

With the White wolf dead the Village goes to party and congratulates the Barber. The celabration takes all day.

It's now Night 3. Please send me your Night Actions asap

[TrafalgarLaw01]

After a long party the village went to sleep with a smile on their faces...

However Vagabond Charle was found poisoned in the morning.


Charle


Allegiance - Town

The Scandalmonger
This individual likes to make their guilty suspicions known. At night Chooses a player with accusations. Then the next day an anonymous poster will appear against the chosen player. That player will start the day with 2 votes to be lynched.

It's now D4.

[Devante]

One, yea i'm still alive, thank you protector

two, this is the second time I've viewed somebody who then got killed. FYI I viewed Charle to confirm his role since I figured Loose was throwing him under the bus to save face but turns out he wasn't which makes his last play even weirder

Now I take it wolves tried to eat me but I was protected, might be a one shot deal, two there is a witch in play if Charle was poisoned as I think that is the only character that can do so. If there is then they can also save a player if that hasn't been used. Question is whether witch is town or wolve, either tried thinking Loose had made a wolf claim or knew Charle was town and got rid of him

[Votanic]

One, yea i'm still alive, thank you protector

two, this is the second time I've viewed somebody who then got killed. FYI I viewed Charle to confirm his role since I figured Loose was throwing him under the bus to save face but turns out he wasn't which makes his last play even weirder

Now I take it wolves tried to eat me but I was protected, might be a one shot deal, two there is a witch in play if Charle was poisoned as I think that is the only character that can do so. If there is then they can also save a player if that hasn't been used. Question is whether witch is town or wolve, either tried thinking Loose had made a wolf claim or knew Charle was town and got rid of him

So Days suddenly end with either a lynch or a vig. Good to know...
The Witch role is a Town role according to W.O.M.H. I don't know why some Town players were so certain that Charle was a Wolf. There was no evidence for it. The White Wolf could anonymously pick off other wolves at night and there are only 1 or 2 other wolves...
Of course Wolves would be very happy to get Charle killed because they knew he was Town ...but so did we. His claim of being the Scandalmonger was very beleivable.

So yes, if this is the work of the Town Witch (or some other Town role) then that player blew it. Players blowing it seems to be a mega-trend this game...

btw, @ Maxleod: You just guessed that LC was a wolf, so don't act too virtuous or clever about it...

Semi-sneaky Idea: Now that we know that Swang is Town, we might be able to squeeze a Lynch and a Vig in the same day, as long as we did it at the same time, befor Traf called Night. Of course, that is only a good idea if we have two good Wolf candidates... There might just be one?

If there are two the second one might be the New AWF, who inherited that role when strike died... but that probably is not any added danger since he probably already used his power on DDS, who then died before converting.

[Votanic]

So 10 left and 4 of us are confrmed town.

As for the Other 6:
1 or 2 wolves, a defender, a witch (or something similar), Cupid (claimed by Sonic), and 1 or 2 other Town roles.

1.
2.
3.
4. Votanic CONFIRMED TOWN
5.
6. Extreme Ways CONFIRMED TOWN
7. Swang918 CONFIRMED TOWN
8. Devante CONFIRMED TOWN
9.
10. *PIxar* - playing fairly well, but that can mean either scum or town.
11. SoN!c - claimed as Cupid
12. Ewebasher - active on Day 1, less so as time does on.
13.
14.
15. Thor60 - verrry quiet all the time.
16. Ragian - playing a role that needed (?) to be replaced
17. Degaston - playing a role that needed (?) to be replaced
18.

[Devante]

To be fair picking Charle made sense to me, I'm new at this but even though I believed his claim it was odd that Loose would pick him if he was trying to cement his claim as seer with all of you. The fact that he picked someone that then would have got him killed anyways doesn't seem like smart play to me but alas it's over with now. So who are you thinking on the one wolf then?

[Votanic]

To be fair picking Charle made sense to me, I'm new at this but even though I believed his claim it was odd that Loose would pick him if he was trying to cement his claim as seer with all of you. The fact that he picked someone that then would have got him killed anyways doesn't seem like smart play to me but alas it's over with now. So who are you thinking on the one wolf then?

I don't like to pick a hunch and tunnel it, but I'll try to do a little more analysis.

• Pixar and Dega are both playing 'well', but what lies beneath each player's 'Townishness' is anybody's guess.

• Ewebasher and Thor are both new and fairly quiet, this isn't bad strategy, but now it is up to Town to investigate or possibly force a claim, because anything could be happening in the shadows.

• Sonic: He has done sume suss thing (no surprise), however, his claim of being Cupid (and thus Town) is quite plausible, but not definite.

• Ragian: his playstyle involves asking questions while presenting a blank facade... but he did a few odd things, like when LC acted like he didn't know how is public Barkeep role worked, Ragian also acted surprised about LC immunity from wolves.. but it is just bizarre for two experienced players not to be familiar with the information listed on page 1 of this thread.