POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[mandalorian2298]

ROFL. Aye, someone will counter-claim the main character. Also, please not that I tried to post like captain Jack whenever an opportunity presented.

[strike wolf]

ROFL. Aye, someone will counter-claim the main character. Also, please not that I tried to post like captain Jack whenever an opportunity presented.

*shrug* not saying it's probable but it is slightly more likely considering it is a cult recruiter's head if you are lying. Besides my response will be very different based on if you are countered or not.

Do you mind posting a couple examples of you acting as jack?

[edocsil]

ROFL. Aye, someone will counter-claim the main character. Also, please not that I tried to post like captain Jack whenever an opportunity presented.

*shrug* not saying it's probable but it is slightly more likely considering it is a cult recruiter's head if you are lying. Besides my response will be very different based on if you are countered or not.

Do you mind posting a couple examples of you acting as jack?

When he confirmed for one. No offense guys, but I didn't really expect him to be Jones, especially with the way he reacted to my claim. You know the deal. Hang him and I give you all the remaining scum. I will not give any more names until he is dead.

[nagerous]

unvote

I'd rather not hang CJS.

We'll have to do some old fashioned scum hunting then it seems.

[strike wolf]

unvote

I'd rather not hang CJS.

We'll have to do some old fashioned scum hunting then it seems.

Neither would I. I don't believe he is going to be countered and looking back I think I seem one or two of the captain jack posts he refered to. Anyways I definitely do not want to lynch the captain at the cost of one last mafia name however I am also realizing that it is likely we will lose him overnight as I can't imagine being able to protect all the important roles and I'm highly doubt between lovers, captain jack, iliad and edoc we can cover all our bases against mafia and cult...and between edoc and jack our best chances at discovering the remaining mafia I'm not sure we can protect both of them...or will at the cost of lovers dying and an investigative role being recruited...

For now I will vote victor as our best remaining lead for cult. However I am wondering if edoc may be willing to negotiate a deal involving giving up the last two mafia names.

[pancakemix]

ROFL. Aye, someone will counter-claim the main character. Also, please not that I tried to post like captain Jack whenever an opportunity presented.

*shrug* not saying it's probable but it is slightly more likely considering it is a cult recruiter's head if you are lying. Besides my response will be very different based on if you are countered or not.

Do you mind posting a couple examples of you acting as jack?

When he confirmed for one. No offense guys, but I didn't really expect him to be Jones, especially with the way he reacted to my claim. You know the deal. Hang him and I give you all the remaining scum. I will not give any more names until he is dead.

But if he dies tonight, you have no incentive. The mafia could kill him just to keep your mouth shut. That becomes WIFOM, and that's a game I don't intend to play. I do not 100% believe you'll still be around if Jack goes. Mandy lives as long those names are secret, and lynching him today is out of the question. Give the names and you have my vote when it is time.

[nagerous]

ROFL. Aye, someone will counter-claim the main character. Also, please not that I tried to post like captain Jack whenever an opportunity presented.

*shrug* not saying it's probable but it is slightly more likely considering it is a cult recruiter's head if you are lying. Besides my response will be very different based on if you are countered or not.

Do you mind posting a couple examples of you acting as jack?

When he confirmed for one. No offense guys, but I didn't really expect him to be Jones, especially with the way he reacted to my claim. You know the deal. Hang him and I give you all the remaining scum. I will not give any more names until he is dead.

But if he dies tonight, you have no incentive. The mafia could kill him just to keep your mouth shut. That becomes WIFOM, and that's a game I don't intend to play. I do not 100% believe you'll still be around if Jack goes. Mandy lives as long those names are secret, and lynching him today is out of the question. Give the names and you have my vote when it is time.

I agree, the doctor will most likely protect mandy now and hence you will be open to be killed by the remaining mafia. If you give us the last names, mafia has no incentive to kill you and hence will more likely attempt to kill mandy or find another way of getting to him.

[Commander9]

*shrug* not saying it's probable but it is slightly more likely considering it is a cult recruiter's head if you are lying. Besides my response will be very different based on if you are countered or not.

Do you mind posting a couple examples of you acting as jack?

He can still be Davey Jones, mind you. If he's the recruiter and got Jack Sparrow, he could easily use his identity to save himself.

unvote

I'd rather not hang CJS.

We'll have to do some old fashioned scum hunting then it seems.

This. Unvote.

When he confirmed for one. No offense guys, but I didn't really expect him to be Jones, especially with the way he reacted to my claim. You know the deal. Hang him and I give you all the remaining scum. I will not give any more names until he is dead.

Correct if I'm wrong, but didn't you say that you just needed to find him? ("I'll give you names while looking for him") Doesn't that imply that you can actually kill him yourself and that you don't need town to do that for you?

I agree, the doctor will most likely protect mandy now and hence you will be open to be killed by the remaining mafia. If you give us the last names, mafia has no incentive to kill you and hence will more likely attempt to kill mandy or find another way of getting to him.

QFT.

[strike wolf]

*shrug* not saying it's probable but it is slightly more likely considering it is a cult recruiter's head if you are lying. Besides my response will be very different based on if you are countered or not.

Do you mind posting a couple examples of you acting as jack?

He can still be Davey Jones, mind you. If he's the recruiter and got Jack Sparrow, he could easily use his identity to save himself.

doubtful...the scenes appeared to imply otherwise.

unvote

I'd rather not hang CJS.

We'll have to do some old fashioned scum hunting then it seems.

This. Unvote.

When he confirmed for one. No offense guys, but I didn't really expect him to be Jones, especially with the way he reacted to my claim. You know the deal. Hang him and I give you all the remaining scum. I will not give any more names until he is dead.

Correct if I'm wrong, but didn't you say that you just needed to find him? ("I'll give you names while looking for him") Doesn't that imply that you can actually kill him yourself and that you don't need town to do that for you?

I agree, the doctor will most likely protect mandy now and hence you will be open to be killed by the remaining mafia. If you give us the last names, mafia has no incentive to kill you and hence will more likely attempt to kill mandy or find another way of getting to him.

QFT.

So yeah basically what I was trying to get at with "negotiating". If you can give us the last two mafia names prior to Jack's death, I am sure we can arrange something, otherwise I believe town has enough protections and/or diversion roles to prevent his death.

[Commander9]

He can still be Davey Jones, mind you. If he's the recruiter and got Jack Sparrow, he could easily use his identity to save himself.

doubtful...the scenes appeared to imply otherwise. [/quote]

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I've re-read all of the scenes and you're right - not seen anything being mentioned about Jack, so this does gives it much more validity.

So yeah basically what I was trying to get at with "negotiating". If you can give us the last two mafia names prior to Jack's death, I am sure we can arrange something, otherwise I believe town has enough protections and/or diversion roles to prevent his death.

Agreed. Edoc, if you're playing this game, you've got to play it till the end - you don't just stop midway.

[Victor Sullivan]

Hm, I guess we're at a tough spot. Mandy's claim was surprisingly believable. The cult is more of a threat at the moment, given its growing recruit count, but with Mandy's Jack Sparrow claim, we're kind of stuck protecting him tonight instead of edoc, thus allowing him to be killed and give no more names... I guess it depends on what we feel is more important. IMO, we should go for the EITC lynch, because if we attempt to lynch Jones and don't, we lose a town (possibly a cult recruit) and the last of the EITC names, though if edocsil is willing to list the remaining names now, it may be win win for us all and we can go on hunting Jones.

-Sully

[strike wolf]

Edoc SHOULD list the names it's win win for both sides.

[DoomYoshi]

I am not sure whether to vote nagerous or Sully. I will start with vote Sully though. He is the best candidate for cult recruiter right now. Note how both of them are in favour of scum-hunting as opposed to cult recruiter hunting.

[nagerous]

I am not sure whether to vote nagerous or Sully. I will start with vote Sully though. He is the best candidate for cult recruiter right now. Note how both of them are in favour of scum-hunting as opposed to cult recruiter hunting.

Not sure how you got that from what I have said so far, have an actual read of my posts.

FOS Doom for skimming

[DoomYoshi]

I am not sure whether to vote nagerous or Sully. I will start with vote Sully though. He is the best candidate for cult recruiter right now. Note how both of them are in favour of scum-hunting as opposed to cult recruiter hunting.

Not sure how you got that from what I have said so far, have an actual read of my posts.

FOS Doom for skimming

You are calling for the entire list of mafia. Presumably the one thing holding cult back from winning? I haven't skimmed. I may have oversimplified your argument but I am focusing more on Victor right now than you.

[mandalorian2298]

ROFL. Aye, someone will counter-claim the main character. Also, please not that I tried to post like captain Jack whenever an opportunity presented.

*shrug* not saying it's probable but it is slightly more likely considering it is a cult recruiter's head if you are lying. Besides my response will be very different based on if you are countered or not.

Do you mind posting a couple examples of you acting as jack?

When he confirmed for one. No offense guys, but I didn't really expect him to be Jones, especially with the way he reacted to my claim. You know the deal. Hang him and I give you all the remaining scum. I will not give any more names until he is dead.

On the other hand, a scum who is not willing to betray other scum is pretty lynchworthy himself. Vote Edoc.

Seriously people, by the time we put him on lynch -2, he will fold. You see, any person who does hammer him might be scum, or might be a Townie who agrees that Edoc's usefulness has run it's course and now only his scuminess remains or that person might be a Cultie who is happy to avoid one of his ilk being lynched.

Don't bother protecting me Doc, captain Jack Sparrow can take care of himself. Better protect Falko and his bonny lass (btw, that's one of the clues that I have gave you guys ). Or, if Edoc proves his worth giving us another scum, then by all means, protect him so he may live longer to tell the tale of the day when he almost caught captain Jack Sparrow.

[edocsil]

Edoc SHOULD list the names it's win win for both sides.

It really isn't. I give you the names and you kill me, Mandy lives. How does that help? In order for me to win, Mandy has to die before I do.

Actually, I have an idea. It is leas then ideal for me, but I think it could work. It depends on Mandy's win condition however. Mandy, do you need to be alive to win or do you have the typical town win scenario?

[edocsil]

ROFL. Aye, someone will counter-claim the main character. Also, please not that I tried to post like captain Jack whenever an opportunity presented.

*shrug* not saying it's probable but it is slightly more likely considering it is a cult recruiter's head if you are lying. Besides my response will be very different based on if you are countered or not.

Do you mind posting a couple examples of you acting as jack?

When he confirmed for one. No offense guys, but I didn't really expect him to be Jones, especially with the way he reacted to my claim. You know the deal. Hang him and I give you all the remaining scum. I will not give any more names until he is dead.

On the other hand, a scum who is not willing to betray other scum is pretty lynchworthy himself. Vote Edoc.

Seriously people, by the time we put him on lynch -2, he will fold. You see, any person who does hammer him might be scum, or might be a Townie who agrees that Edoc's usefulness has run it's course and now only his scuminess remains or that person might be a Cultie who is happy to avoid one of his ilk being lynched.

Don't bother protecting me Doc, captain Jack Sparrow can take care of himself. Better protect Falko and his bonny lass (btw, that's one of the clues that I have gave you guys ). Or, if Edoc proves his worth giving us another scum, then by all means, protect him so he may live longer to tell the tale of the day when he almost caught captain Jack Sparrow.

Actually the number I would fold at would fold at if I would would be l-3, assuming there are no scum on the wagon. That being said I would not fold, mostly out of principle, I will not help you if you will not help me. It sounds like you are BP, at least for some length of time, which is another thing I have considered.

[strike wolf]

I am not sure whether to vote nagerous or Sully. I will start with vote Sully though. He is the best candidate for cult recruiter right now. Note how both of them are in favour of scum-hunting as opposed to cult recruiter hunting.

Not sure how you got that from what I have said so far, have an actual read of my posts.

FOS Doom for skimming

You are calling for the entire list of mafia. Presumably the one thing holding cult back from winning? I haven't skimmed. I may have oversimplified your argument but I am focusing more on Victor right now than you.

That's an over-exaggeration. I want that list of mafia too. With good scum hunting skills, a knowledge of both mafias and as many known town as we have plus investigators I believe we have more than enough to limit any town killing role to a little more than a handful of people at this point.

Edoc give us the names before the lynch and I personally promise I won't lynch you. You have my word on that and if I betray that promise may all the members of mafia black list me from their games. Like I said work out a deal to give us the names before mandy's death. If you read Mandy's post you should realized he hinted at being bulletproof so your chances of him being killed are slim. I will not give you Captain Jack Sparrow with a potentially empty promise to give out the remaining names. Furthermore, I actually like Mandy's idea, though I don't think Edoc can afford to allow himself to get to l-2. so hopefully the claim will come earlier. unvote vote edoc

[edocsil]

I am not sure whether to vote nagerous or Sully. I will start with vote Sully though. He is the best candidate for cult recruiter right now. Note how both of them are in favour of scum-hunting as opposed to cult recruiter hunting.

Not sure how you got that from what I have said so far, have an actual read of my posts.

FOS Doom for skimming

You are calling for the entire list of mafia. Presumably the one thing holding cult back from winning? I haven't skimmed. I may have oversimplified your argument but I am focusing more on Victor right now than you.

That's an over-exaggeration. I want that list of mafia too. With good scum hunting skills, a knowledge of both mafias and as many known town as we have plus investigators I believe we have more than enough to limit any town killing role to a little more than a handful of people at this point.

Edoc give us the names before the lynch and I personally promise I won't lynch you. You have my word on that and if I betray that promise may all the members of mafia black list me from their games. Like I said work out a deal to give us the names before mandy's death. If you read Mandy's post you should realized he hinted at being bulletproof so your chances of him being killed are slim. I will not give you Captain Jack Sparrow with a potentially empty promise to give out the remaining names. Furthermore, I actually like Mandy's idea, though I don't think Edoc can afford to allow himself to get to l-2. so hopefully the claim will come earlier. unvote vote edoc

Fine. I just want to hear from Mandy first. If he has to be alive to win and is BP I am SoL. If he doesn't need to be alive and I count as scum for the purpose of the endgame result we could end the cult, lynch him and NK me, leaving everyone happy. I need to ask Saf as to whose side I count for.

[got tonkaed]

scum hunting and searching for the cult recruiter dont really have to be mutually exclusive.

The truth is we don't have a lot of knowledge about a fair amount of the roles still. we have a pretty good idea of edoc, mandy and freezie. By my count there are 3 mafia members left (including edoc as a traitor). At the same time we have an inkling of a few different roles (falko and partner being another set). This still leaves us with a lot of uncovered ground.

Pressuring a few different people is not a bad outcome of today, as it might lead to a cult lynch, which may be important very soon. Judging by my count, if there have been 3 successful recruits the cult could have 4+.

Having said all of that though, it is obviously going to be beholden on edoc to eventually supply names. Dealing with a non-town role that isnt trading anything of value is silly. Besides, providing the names (even if one of them) does allow for easier cult hunting.

By being willing to deal, edoc can benefit everyone involved.

[mandalorian2298]

I do need be alive to win and I'm not bulletproof.

Of course, if you have so readily fell for my obvious bluff about being unspokenly bulletproof, then I might be bulletproof and lying to you right now because I am certain that you will fall for it just as you have fallen for my claim about being bulletproof which might be false.

Seriously Edoc, these are the two facts: 1) The Town has more important things to do with their lynches then helping you win at the cost of two less players (me and you since you WILL be engamed when you win) which translates as Mafia/Cult needs one less member to be over 50% of surviving members and win, 2) I might be NKed or I might not be NKed but the longer you survive the longer you can keep the dream of you victory alive (also, your remaining scum-buddies will certainly be aiming at me, unless they too fell for my Bulletproof Bluff (which might be true, but I never said that I am bulletproof so what does that tell you? )). If you get lynched today, which I find likely since there is a little chance that you might actually give us something useful and Townies need to be rid off you one way or another if Town is to win, it doesn't matter if I have been bulletproof or bluffing since you can't win if you're dead.

In short: Tick-tock. Give us a name.

P.S. What principle, you are a bloody traitor?

[strike wolf]

Admittedly if mandy is indeed bulletproof it does change the scenario to where we can hunt for the cult recruiter today and tonight and all but at the very least I would like to get the names of the scum to narrow the field for who the cult recruiter could be. As far as recruiting goes. From all the scene evidence it would appear that the night 1 recruitment was a failure and lead to a dead mafia member and the two successive ones were both successes meaning there are 3+ cults. I still think it's better to get the mafia names sooner than later as at least in the meantime we can hamper their efforts to pick us off one at the time while hunting for cult and fulfilling any deals we might make with edoc. Either way I am not near ready for this day to end as there is plenty of ground to cover and we need to make up for yesterday's speed lynch with discussion today (sorry about my part in that I didn't expect the wagon to happen that fast).

[nagerous]

I am not sure whether to vote nagerous or Sully. I will start with vote Sully though. He is the best candidate for cult recruiter right now. Note how both of them are in favour of scum-hunting as opposed to cult recruiter hunting.

Not sure how you got that from what I have said so far, have an actual read of my posts.

FOS Doom for skimming

You are calling for the entire list of mafia. Presumably the one thing holding cult back from winning? I haven't skimmed. I may have oversimplified your argument but I am focusing more on Victor right now than you.

I'm guessing that you are one of the remaining mafia because I fail to see that is scummy at all. Also have a browse at my earlier posts in the day, I have specified that we need to lynch the cult today and said it clearly is a must.. Having the entire list of mafia will no doubt help the town for later lynches.

[Commander9]

You are calling for the entire list of mafia. Presumably the one thing holding cult back from winning? I haven't skimmed. I may have oversimplified your argument but I am focusing more on Victor right now than you.

How's an entire list of mafia holding back cult from winning?