Stool Pigeon Mafia - Game Over! Mafia Win!!! MVP- Zimmah

[MoB Deadly]

You know what.. I am just going to PM vio... I started this long roundabout post, and figured out the only way I will make you happy is posting yes/no, and you will ask me to PM vio anyway..

[zimmah]

i pmed vio as well, let's see f i'm allowed to answer those questions.

[MoB Deadly]

I know this won't satisfy you Trini but I am in a lose-lose situation here with that VT question. I will post things much thoroughly this evening.

Actually I'd like yes/No answers to these questions in particular (to start with).

1) Are you VT?
2) Are you an anti town role? No.
3) Are you Mafia? No.

Questions that would be nice to have answers to but require something more than Yes/No

4) How many townies remain alive I do not know.
5) How many anti Town roles remain alive I do not know.

I'll think of the others after. I have no problem with you clearing your answers with Vio before hand - in fact I strongly recommend it. I've been trying to get an answer to the first question for a while but you have not properly addressed it yet.

[zimmah]

i just went trough the information on the tread again and combined with what allready knew i know have a very well-educated guess as to who the SK is. but i don't think i'm allowed to post it. however i'm not 100% sure either, as i never had any information directly about who the SK is, or even if there is one in the game. anyway i believe i havent voted yet, so to get things moving i'll vote now.

unvote vote sensfan

[wildwilliam]

i just went trough the information on the tread again and combined with what allready knew i know have a very well-educated guess as to who the SK is. but i don't think i'm allowed to post it. however i'm not 100% sure either, as i never had any information directly about who the SK is, or even if there is one in the game. anyway i believe i havent voted yet, so to get things moving i'll vote now.

unvote vote sensfan

unvote vote sensfan

[zimmah]

vio replied to me that NOONE can EVER, under any circumstances claim anything else then VT.

so i can not answer question 1 with anything else then yes. which makes that question pointless. and the other questions will become quite pointsless as well.

either way, i guess we have a better case now anyway.

[MoB Deadly]

vio replied to me that NOONE can EVER, under any circumstances claim anything else then VT.

so i can not answer question 1 with anything else then yes. which makes that question pointless. and the other questions will become quite pointsless as well.

either way, i guess we have a better case now anyway.

I have received consistent results from vio as well, hence the lose-lose situation for answering Question 1. Do you still have questions about me zimmah that you would like me to address today, or should we move along with sens for now?

[zimmah]

vio replied to me that NOONE can EVER, under any circumstances claim anything else then VT.

so i can not answer question 1 with anything else then yes. which makes that question pointless. and the other questions will become quite pointsless as well.

either way, i guess we have a better case now anyway.

I have received consistent results from vio as well, hence the lose-lose situation for answering Question 1. Do you still have questions about me zimmah that you would like me to address today, or should we move along with sens for now?

quite sure you're also a 'VT' just like me let's move along.

[trinicardinal]

I know this won't satisfy you Trini but I am in a lose-lose situation here with that VT question. I will post things much thoroughly this evening.

Actually I'd like yes/No answers to these questions in particular (to start with).

1) Are you VT?
2) Are you an anti town role? No.
3) Are you Mafia? No.

Questions that would be nice to have answers to but require something more than Yes/No

4) How many townies remain alive I do not know.
5) How many anti Town roles remain alive I do not know.

I'll think of the others after. I have no problem with you clearing your answers with Vio before hand - in fact I strongly recommend it. I've been trying to get an answer to the first question for a while but you have not properly addressed it yet.

Fine MoB, i accept the restrictions. Post what you can - Unvote

[MoB Deadly]

Okay, last time I will explain this. Here are the rules for you:

The stool pigeon knows all of the mafia, and the townies. Mafia and town do not know who the stool pigeon is. The pigeon cannot reveal himself/herself, nor mention anyone's role directly.

Concept:
No cops, no doctors.
No roles revealed at any point in the game.
Pigeon cannot claim true role.
Pigeon cannot directly reveal information.
This game will also consist of informants, who will have the same rules as the pigeon.
All pigeons and informants are town in this game.
There will be VT's and anti-town roles (ex. Mafia)

Answering question 1) is a lose lose situation. But here are all the possible scenarios.

1) I am a Vanilla Townie. I would answer this question as a yes. But think, how could a vanilla townie get information to provide a riddle? That would infer I am lying and would get me lynched.

2) I am a pigeon. I would have to answer this question as a No. But then that would violate the rule of "Directly revealing information". That would result in a mod kill. If I answered Yes, I would be lying and it would get me lynched.

3) I am an informant. They are subject to the same rules as a pigeon, so see answer 2.

4) I am a mafia member making up a riddle. Yes that is a possibility, but as I explained earlier, why wouldn't I just continue to submarine like I pretty much have all game long, flying under any radars and just casting my vote for the mafia when needed? The common saying, "if it's not broke why change it?" I know I am attracting attention to myself by putting out this riddle. I explained why I chose to post it now, against my original plan when I was talking to Fox.

Also, if I was mafia, why would I specifically say "I have 3 vanilla townies", I would have no idea to know if they were vanilla or informants, I could have been easily caught instantly. If I was mafia I would say "I have 3 members of town" or "I have 3 townies". But of course all this is WIFOM.

Im going to follow Zimmahs lead here. Yes this is his what? 3rd time back in the game? He can certainly be a member of mafia by now, but he seems to be the only person that believes me, thats gotta count for something. I am going to follow him until someone else can spur conversation.

unvote vote sensfan

[chapcrap]

First of all, where is sens?

Second, I don't understand the votes for him. It seems like zimmah just brought it out of no where. Is that him trying to say he's an informant of some kind?

[VioIet]

Vote Count

Mob(3)- sens, dazza, foxxie

sensfan (3)- zimmah, william, mob

With 12 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[zimmah]

First of all, where is sens?

Second, I don't understand the votes for him. It seems like zimmah just brought it out of no where. Is that him trying to say he's an informant of some kind?

do you have any better case?

[Eldario]

I have reread a little and I'm feeling that chapcrap might not be the most trustworthy person, even though I can't quite put my finger on why... and its quite frustrating

(and I'm not saying he is scum... get)

[zimmah]

I have reread a little and I'm feeling that chapcrap might not be the most trustworthy person, even though I can't quite put my finger on why... and its quite frustrating

(and I'm not saying he is scum... get)

you may be right, but i really think it'll be very good for town if the amount of nightkills gets reduced to just 1 instead of 2, we can discuss about chapcrap later.

[chapcrap]

First of all, where is sens?

Second, I don't understand the votes for him. It seems like zimmah just brought it out of no where. Is that him trying to say he's an informant of some kind?

do you have any better case?

No, I don't have a better case. I was just asking why the voting on him started. It came out of no where with no reason. So, I was just checking.

I have reread a little and I'm feeling that chapcrap might not be the most trustworthy person, even though I can't quite put my finger on why... and its quite frustrating

I'm not really sure what I've done that isn't trustworthy except be confused a lot.

[zimmah]

i made it as clear as i possibly could. if you don't get it, reread it until you do.

[Eldario]

vote sensfan

[dazza2008]

I am confused. I will follow the consensus though unvote vote sens

[thehippo8]

I can't vote yet because I'm waiting for vio to approve my return! Just letting you know I am up to date.

[FoxMists]

Zimmah... again!? Bloody hell...

I recall your concerns with sensfan, Zimmah. Or that is, the concerns you had in previous lives. I recall saying that he didn't seem inherently scummy to me. But then, I am not 100% sure of anyone in this game. So lost...

For now, I will unvote. But I am still conerned by william's sudden switch to bandwagon with no explanation again. And of course it will be easy for him to just say he believed your arguments. Honestly, right now my biggest FOS is on william and MoB. I am wary of sensfan, but frankly I am wary of anyone that cheers on the Sens. I think it's a form of mental illness. Clearly unstable.

I will need to re-read a bit and think on this more.

Also: Not sure how I feel about Zimmah and Hippo's Easter re-enactment. But I'm certain it doesn't really matter. I don't know if it's possible to really win this game. It's like a bloody crap shoot.

[zimmah]

i understand you don't want to drop the hammer if you're unsure. but i don't really see why you'd distrust mob and to a lesser extend wildwilliam.

i think conzo and sg7 have been way too silent lately. but if i'm not mistaken one of them would be replaced by hippo, right?

either way, i think it will be quite clear that i'm not making things up if after tonight there will only be 1 night kill consistently.

also, noone brought any better case or countered my case. you'd think that if i was horribly wrong, someone would have stepped forward by now.

[trinicardinal]

i understand you don't want to drop the hammer if you're unsure. but i don't really see why you'd distrust mob and to a lesser extend wildwilliam.

i think conzo and sg7 have been way too silent lately. but if i'm not mistaken one of them would be replaced by hippo, right?

either way, i think it will be quite clear that i'm not making things up if after tonight there will only be 1 night kill consistently.

also, noone brought any better case or countered my case. you'd think that if i was horribly wrong, someone would have stepped forward by now.

sg7 has been silent in more than one game - he was just replaced in another mafia game that I'm in. btw folks I'm now back from vacation so I should start to post more when I've had time to do a proper review of the last 3 weeks.

[chapcrap]

i understand you don't want to drop the hammer if you're unsure. but i don't really see why you'd distrust mob and to a lesser extend wildwilliam.

i think conzo and sg7 have been way too silent lately. but if i'm not mistaken one of them would be replaced by hippo, right?

either way, i think it will be quite clear that i'm not making things up if after tonight there will only be 1 night kill consistently.

also, noone brought any better case or countered my case. you'd think that if i was horribly wrong, someone would have stepped forward by now.

sg7 has been silent in more than one game - he was just replaced in another mafia game that I'm in. btw folks I'm now back from vacation so I should start to post more when I've had time to do a proper review of the last 3 weeks.

I've been gone for 3 days.

I guess, I'll go with everyone else and unvote vote sens

[thehippo8]

Hi all, I'm still waiting for vio's confirmation.