[Official] Holiday Mafia - Game Over!

[betiko]

NOS had already 1 present and my backup plan if he remained inactive (PCM was trying to replace him) was to become betiko 2.0 in NOS's skin had I been night killed.
Anyway, I think the best is still to have the 6 to massclaim 1/2 should be scum and we can't afford another misslynch. This day will have lots of discussion going on if we agree on this massclaim, and the faster it begins the more discussion will be going on regarding concrete stuff.
I'd love to hear from gustaf who might have some usefull info, hope he sent a night action.

[thechuck51]

This is terrible reasoning. If you wanted to send it to someone who you were sure would survive, you could have just sent to Little Witt, who the doctor was probably protecting last night.

Dude, our cop needed protection as well, perhaps more than Santa since we haven't seen any benefits from the gift giving yet and with scum being able to steal we may never see any.

fastposted by betiko

how do we decide what order to claim in?

[MoB Deadly]

I definitely think a massclaim could be beneficial. We have no way of picking town submariners vs mafia submariners at this point. Since I more/less believe the claims we have on the table right now, I think we could find some sour grapes if we all claimed.

[betiko]

This is terrible reasoning. If you wanted to send it to someone who you were sure would survive, you could have just sent to Little Witt, who the doctor was probably protecting last night.

Dude, our cop needed protection as well, perhaps more than Santa since we haven't seen any benefits from the gift giving yet and with scum being able to steal we may never see any.

fastposted by betiko

how do we decide what order to claim in?

I personally have no preferences. I don't really think the order will matter. So far, mets, chuck, mob and me seem ok with that idea and edoc is indifferent but has no prob with it. that's not yet the majority, I think that once the majority agrees to massclaim people can just give the info in the order they want? Unless you guys find some witty thing.

[Metsfanmax]

This is terrible reasoning. If you wanted to send it to someone who you were sure would survive, you could have just sent to Little Witt, who the doctor was probably protecting last night.

Dude, our cop needed protection as well, perhaps more than Santa since we haven't seen any benefits from the gift giving yet and with scum being able to steal we may never see any.

Irrelevant whether it's the cop or Santa. I assume the reason for what happened last night is that the mafia didn't target either santa or the cop because they couldn't be sure which the doc would protect, so it was safer to just kill someone else. So if betiko had picked gustaf that also would have been fine. It was everyone else that was a serious concern.

[rishaed]

This is terrible reasoning. If you wanted to send it to someone who you were sure would survive, you could have just sent to Little Witt, who the doctor was probably protecting last night.

Dude, our cop needed protection as well, perhaps more than Santa since we haven't seen any benefits from the gift giving yet and with scum being able to steal we may never see any.

Irrelevant whether it's the cop or Santa. I assume the reason for what happened last night is that the mafia didn't target either santa or the cop because they couldn't be sure which the doc would protect, so it was safer to just kill someone else. So if betiko had picked gustaf that also would have been fine. It was everyone else that was a serious concern.

Maybe, But gustaf hasn't posted to let us know if he even got any results last night, remember he was RB'd the night before and since a watcher didn't come out then, why would they change who the RB'er roleblocked, so with the RB'er either on Witt/Gustaf (I'm leaning Gustaf, but I could be wrong until one of them confirms). That being said Gustaf can you tell us if you got any results? Anyways, I'm not exactly sure how much a Massclaim will help, but am willing to claim if I have to.

[edocsil]

S. D. Kruger, Town Messenger ~ I was the voice a few days back, no other abilities, no received gifts.

[thechuck51]

I am Winter - Town Diviner essentially a role cop. I get the character name.
Night 1 I investigated edoc, night 2 betiko, and night 3 metsfanmax. If he would like me to reveal his character to verify I will.

[betiko]

S. D. Kruger, Town Messenger ~ I was the voice a few days back, no other abilities, no received gifts.

The voice? Sorry I don t remember was that a scene?

[betiko]

Rudoplh, with his nose so bright, lit up the North Pole sky like it was Christmas on the Fourth of July. As he made his exercise flight, he found himself under attack of the Abominable Snow Monster of the North. He dashed and danced, but he was hit, and he fell all the way down to the ground. His red nose went out, never to light the way again.

Jonty125, Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Town Redirector has been killed!



A message was seen posted on the town bulliten board, posted by S. D. Kluger:

This is my night ability, and only ability. I am town, I cannot gift except for my ability. I can give my ability to another player for a night. They will be able to send a single anonymous PM to another player through the mod. If you ask for it in the thread I may give it to you if I think the use is justified.

It is now Day 2. With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

[betiko]

I am Winter - Town Diviner essentially a role cop. I get the character name.
Night 1 I investigated edoc, night 2 betiko, and night 3 metsfanmax. If he would like me to reveal his character to verify I will.

So you investigated me before I claimed I like that

I m liking how things are going and I have to say those claims both seem likely. Looking forward to hearing the other 4! Would be really funny if the day 1 post from rishaed and mets's defense/attack on me were actually what it looked like from my perspective. Not to mention anamainiaks' way to cover up the story.

[betiko]

Rishaed, I see you reading this thread and logging off!,

[rishaed]

Ok I am Baba Bulletproof Townie. I don't know why scum didn't target me last night, considering the entire mess that went on. As for night actions, I actually have one, but want to wait until the massclaim is over. Its because Kanin gifted me the town inspiration on the night that he died, (that plus Witts? Gift N1 allowed me to exchange) I also want the person to claim first, to see if its plausible that he isn't scum.
fp'd by Betiko

[rishaed]

Rishaed, I see you reading this thread and logging off!,

Yeah I was busy doing college Apps, and just left myself logged in.

[Iron Butterfly]

So no one finds it odd we have two cops? Think about it. We have a claimed role cop and a claimed cop?? As someone stated earlier the gifts have not been flying off the shelf. In theory the gift giving should have been helping us by now. Because...

I am King Moon Racer-Town Toy Protector I am able to double the total amount of gifts I have received.

I have yet to receive a gift. Which leads me back to the cops. I would think in theory gift actions would have occurred already. Part of the reason is the outing of Santa Claus and Betiko combined with misplay on Witts part. Witt can give out 5 gifts per night and he only gave out 1 gift.

The point I am making is that there were a ton of mistakes with the gift giving combined with gift stealing so there seems to be a shortage. If all the gifts went off without a hitch would the game really need two cops?? One cop perhaps...but two? We have the potential to have 3 or perhaps 4 investigations?

I do not believe we have two cops. We need to hear from Gustaf as I do not believe he has name claimed either.

[Metsfanmax]

Since everyone else has claimed, I will claim soon too; but before I do, I'm interested to hear what chuck says about us. I too find it suspicious that we would have two cops in the town, and I want to know what his claimed result is. If he knows for sure that any of the people he investigated are mafia, surely he should be out with that information immediately? If he doesn't, we either assume that betiko and I are both town, or we assume that he's lying about his role.

[thechuck51]

Mets is Hermey the Elf

I don't get alignments but I figure each of the guys I investigated are town based on their characters. SD Kruger, Jessica Claus and Hermey the Elf are most likely town roles.

[Metsfanmax]

Ok, I confirm that I am indeed Hermey the Elf, doctor/gift giver (choose one per night). So I think that clears chuck, unless you think we're both mafia buddies.

[anamainiacks]

Sorry for the late reply! I've been swamped with work recently as a new project recently came up in the office, so I spend the little amount of CC time I have playing my games and managing tournaments first.

I'm Donner, Town Gifter. This is also why I began to doubt betiko's claim after a while - I wasn't sure there'd be a duplicate of my role in the game. Like others have said before, it's possible, but we don't know for sure.

Night 1 I gifted Kanin because he did nothing close to being scummy to me;
Night 3 I gifted MoB because he was (and still is) one person we can definitely trust to be a townie.
Night 2 I did gift to someone that's still alive, and probably (hopefully) can confirm it. I'm not sure if we're still trying to conceal our gift recipients so that the scum won't target them; but if you guys want me to declare who I gifted for purpose of confirming my claim, I'm fine with that.


With regard to the multiple cops, chuck says he can only see the character names, while Nendreel/Gustaf did only mention that he knew spiesr's alignment as 3rd party. I guess it might be possible for two cops of different kinds (is there a technical Mafia term for them?), but I think we need Gustaf to give a full character claim and give details on his ability. Right now, both Gustaf and chuck have each been able to confirm their intel for 1 of the 3 nights.

And betiko said that the 3 scum are most likely within the 6 that hadn't claimed a role prior to tonight. I agree that it is the most likely thing, but we definitely cannot rule out the other 3 that claimed prior (excluding MoB as he was pretty much publicly announced to be non-Mafia). That said, I'm 99% sure that Witt is who he says he is, because his role is really hard not to confirm, and thus a silly fake claim for scum. I can't say the same with such certainty for Nendreel/Gustaf and betiko.

[betiko]

killed/out of the game:

jonty -> rudolph, town redirector (night killed night 1)


superkeener -> baby new year, town roleblocker (roleblocked spiesr night 1; lynched day 2)


Kanin Usagi -> little drummer boy, town inspiration (night killed night 2)


Soundman, The Heat Miser, 3rd Party Lyncher (lynched day 3)


Spiesr, The Snow Miser, 3rd Party Lyncher (won and removed from the game day 3)


NoSurvivors ->Tanta Kringle, Town Toymaker (night killed night 3)


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claims:

nendreel/gustaf -> ?, (town?) cop (investigated spiesr night 1, confirmed result; roleblocked night 2)

betiko -> Jessica Claus, town gifter (received a limited time voucher sent a gift to mob night 1; got his gifts stolen and sent a gift to NoS night 2; sent a gift to NoS night 3)


Little Witt -> Santa Claus, town "super" gifter (sent gifts to spiesr, rishaed, Kanin, jonty, and Mets night 1: to betiko night 2 (stolen))


Mob deadly -> Mother Nature - Third party Finder/Lyncher (didn't receive betiko's gift night 1; found spiesr night 2; became a a survivor and was stolen his gifts night 3)


thechuck51-> Winter, Town Diviner (checked edoc n1, betiko n2, mets n3)


rishaed-> Baba Bulletproof Townie (received 1 gift from witt n1 + town inspiration n2 used an unknown action n3 yet to be revealed)


edocsil->S. D. Kluger, Town Messenger (sent a message night 1, seems like no one asked for the messenger since)


anamainiacks ->Donner, Town Gifter (gifted kanin n1, unknown n2, mob n3)


Iron Butterfly ->King Moon Racer-Town Toy Protector


Metsfanmax ->Hermey the Elf, doctor/gift giver

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from scenes, there is the abominable snowman

[betiko]

killed/out of the game:

[spoiler=jonty]rudolph, town redirector
(night killed night 1)
night 1: out
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=superkeener]baby new year, town roleblocker
(lynched day 2)
night 1: roleblocked spiesr
night 2: out
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Kanin Usagi]little drummer boy, town inspiration
(night killed night 2)
PCM from scene: Kanin could gift a temporary gift, which would last only for one day/night cycle
night 1: received a gift from witt, sent town inspiration to unknown
night 2: sent town inspiration to rishaed (acording to rishaed)
night 3: out
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Soundman]The Heat Miser, 3rd Party Lyncher
(lynched day 3)
night 1: no action
night 2: no action
night 3: out
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Spiesr]The Snow Miser, 3rd Party Lyncher
(won and removed from the game day 3)
night 1: received a gift from witt, roleblocked by keener
night 2: no action
night 3: out
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=NoSurvivors]Tanta Kringle, Town Toymaker
(night killed night 3)
night 1: unknown action
night 2: unknown action, received a gift from betiko (acording to him)
night 3: unknown action, received a gift from betiko (acording to him)
[/spoiler]

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claims:

[spoiler=nendreel-gustaf]unknown, (town?) cop (
night 1: investigated spiesr, got a 3rd party result (confirmed)
night 2: got roleblocked (unknown target)
night 3: unknown[/spoiler]
[spoiler=betiko]-> Jessica Claus, town gifter
night 1: received some kind of limited voucher; sent a gift to mob (which he never received)
night 2: witt claims to have sent him a gift (never received); got presents stolen; sent gift to NOS
night 3: sent gift to NOS
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Little Witt]-> Santa Claus, town "super" gifter
night 1: sent gifts to spiesr, rishaed, Kanin, jonty, and Mets
night 2: sent gift to betiko
night 3: unknown
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Mob deadly]-> Mother Nature - Third party Finder/Lyncher
night 1: didn't receive betiko's gift
night 2: found his son spiesr
night 3: anamainiaks claims to have sent him a gift (never received), got his gifts stolen
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=thechuck51]-> Winter, Town Diviner
night 1: name checked edoc
night 2: name checked betiko
night 3: name checked mets (he is the one who gave met's name before mets)
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=rishaed]-> Baba Bulletproof Townie
night 1: received a gift from witt
night 2: received town inspiration from kanin
night 3: used an unknown action yet to be revealed
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=edocsil]->S. D. Kluger, Town Messenger
night 1: sent a message: "This is my night ability, and only ability. I am town, I cannot gift except for my ability. I can give my ability to another player for a night. They will be able to send a single anonymous PM to another player through the mod. If you ask for it in the thread I may give it to you if I think the use is justified."
night 2:?
night 3:?
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=anamainiacks]->Donner, Town Gifter
night 1: sent a gift to kanin
night 2: sent a gift to unknown player
night 3: sent a gift to mob (never received/stolen)
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Iron Butterfly]->King Moon Racer-Town Toy Protector
night 1:?
night 2:?
night 3:?
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Metsfanmax]->Hermey the Elf, doctor/gift giver
night 1:?
night 2:?
night 3:?
[/spoiler]
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from scenes
[spoiler=abominable snowman]Rudoplh, with his nose so bright, lit up the North Pole sky like it was Christmas on the Fourth of July. As he made his exercise flight, he found himself under attack of the Abominable Snow Monster of the North. He dashed and danced, but he was hit, and he fell all the way down to the ground. His red nose went out, never to light the way again.
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=winter warlock]A cold wind blew across the Kringle residence that night. The cold had overtaken everything since the Heat Miser's demise. Tanta Kringle tried as hard as she might to get a small fire going, but to no avail. She knew what stood outside her cottage: the vicious Winter Warlock. Normally, he kept to his own territory but lately he had been expanding for reasons unknown. Tanta Kringle threw a carved wooden doll on the embers in her stove, in slim hopes that she could have some warmth. The door suddenly swung open, and the wizard stood in the doorway. He raised his hand, and the doll burst into flames. The whole house was soon alight, and the warlock collapsed the doorframe behind him as he left. Tanta, with no way out, sent a bird to her adopted son, Kris. He did not arrive until frigid morning found its frost on the shell of the Kringle cottage. He wept, for he knew that now, Christmas would be hard to save.
[/spoiler]
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I think I have compiled there all common knowledge. Please add any common knowledge I may have forgotten, or reveal what you did each night. If you think it's best not to, please give your reasons.

[rishaed]

I can confirm that Anamainiacks did indeed Visit MoB last night. I had traded my gifts in for a tracker action. I was in a rush when I traded it in so I picked did the first thing that came to my head.

[betiko]

I can confirm that Anamainiacks did indeed Visit MoB last night. I had traded my gifts in for a tracker action. I was in a rush when I traded it in so I picked did the first thing that came to my head.

you did that night 3 right?

[rishaed]

I can confirm that Anamainiacks did indeed Visit MoB last night. I had traded my gifts in for a tracker action. I was in a rush when I traded it in so I picked did the first thing that came to my head.

you did that night 3 right?

Isn't this clear? Yes N3. Its not DY's Timewarp Mafia, where last night would be N6 for some odd reason

[betiko]

I can confirm that Anamainiacks did indeed Visit MoB last night. I had traded my gifts in for a tracker action. I was in a rush when I traded it in so I picked did the first thing that came to my head.

you did that night 3 right?

Isn't this clear? Yes N3. Its not DY's Timewarp Mafia, where last night would be N6 for some odd reason

lol. yeah, just had a doubt on something. the timing kanin's gifts work on.
Actually I'm pretty sure that what I received day 1 was a town inspiration from kanin, pcm told me he was just telling me about it but that I couldn't do anything with it anyway. As I received 0 gifts night 1, it was impossible for me to use it night 2.
But yeah, my first idea was wrong, your timing stands. If you received it night 2 you could use it only night 3, the way i understand it.

also, edoc is 100% clear. we know for sure that a message was sent by his character to town on day 2, given by the mod. No one counter claimed kluger.

Right now I'm thinking that chuck's claim is really convenient. he is the one giving met's role, very convenient move to clear a fellow scummate. Right now this is the most probable scenario I can think of regarding multiple scums plotting a cool plan with a massclaim.