Ragian wrote:Son!c reads and accusations. I'm not saying that I fully agree with all of it, but at least here he writes down what he thinks about the game (I've added my comments in orange). Here is where you need to look.
[quote="SoN!c"]
Sorry but this Traf-SoN!c allignment is just bullocks.
Go back to D1: Traf was active and was playing real good. Then we (town) wanted to BT Pixar. Traf said "let's BT somebody else" (but he could not say who).
Why would you do that? Because if you have no idea on "who else" Pixar was as good as any..
That was my first big clue Traf could be The Thing. [color=#FF8000]I don't agree. I think Traf mentioned some of the more experienced players as his go-to D1 BT. See spoiler. It's less than a day after his "I don't want to BT Pixar.[/color]
[spoiler][quote="TrafalgarLaw01"] So I think I would BT EW or Votanic or maybe Strike cause I think he would played it similar to how I would so not draw to much attention.
If we went along with Traf and BT "somebody else" Traf would have scored lots of good "town credability". Because that way he'd risked being BT'ed himself (and The Thing would not do that for sure right?).
No, because it was still only a 10% chance that we would have chosen Traf in the end. And after saying "let's BT somebody else" who would have wanted to BT Traf? It's a great Thing move. Then i rubbed it a bit and Traf got emotional and dissapeared. Stayed on the defensive ever since.
You rubbed it AFTER he had already proposed others. The only thing you state to that is that you "didn't like his answer". What can Traf do about that? After stating that he doesn't propose anyone for BT - which he did - you accuse him of proposing others for BT, stating that he doesn't want to get tested himself. (See spoiler below.) That's both contradictory and wrong in my opinion. No townie should want to get tested. It's a waste of a BT.
[quote="SoN!c"][quote="TrafalgarLaw01"]Even tho Sonic seems morr analytical this game he is as off as always :lol: [/quote]
This sure sounds like you are trying to convince people not voting the BT on you. Why? You should be happy to get a BT (rather then a innocent Lynch later on) if you are town.
It's just a BT. Not a Lynch. Only the Thing should be scared of the BT.[/quote]
So how could this end up in a "Traf-SoN!c allignment"?? Me as The Thing pushing to BT my recruit? Traf as The Thing converting me to keep pushing to BT himself? On D2??? The idea is just over the top ridiculous
And don't say it's believable because..it's over the top ridiculous.
Anyway if you do even believe it 1% then lynch Traf.
If we don't hit a Thing now (on D2) the game is over. No way we can win on D3 with 3 Things steering the town remnant. No time left to "taste flavours" like you can keep tasting flavours till D6.. This one is the last one (without fixed names to BT / lynch D3).
Traf is the Thing, Votanic is his recruit. He is coming to Traf's defense a bit too much on D2 to be believable. Deg is not recruited.
The others:
Strike:If Strike or EW is The Thing then it's bloody well played. Especially if it's Strike. Yes he was a bit too silent overall but i can understand why.
I agree with your thoughts on Strike.
EW: Yes, i have doubts on EW but not having doubts would not be a mafia game. But EW was searching, and searching draws attention. In the end too much ZigZag search to be the Thing i believe.
I think he has been uncharacteristically contradictory in some places. Especially around my BT, but if he did state that he felt that I had "changed play".
Swang and Charle,: Swang did clearly not read all posts and i believe the Thing does so that clears Swang for me. Charle, second game, first cult game. Man, if he is The Thing he deserves a statue here.
Swang, I feel, played D1 haphazardly, voting whoever. Charle did the same. Both have more reasonable and thought out posts D2.
Deg: BT negative and not recruited i believe
I would have converted Deg if I were The Thing. Great player and unlikely to be tested. Unless you want to sacrifice a convert for brownie points.
That leaves only Traf. And Votanic. A Thing and a recruit. Both voting for me. Traf is voting because he SAYS he "thinks im possible recruited"?? Knowing we need to hit the recruiter..This is not Traf, this is a Thing Traf.
And Votanic, he wants to "taste flavours" like you have infinite chances.. but you do not. The lynch D2 has to be on the recruiter. Preferably with vig, BT D3 and lynch D3 names included.
This feels a bit like tunnelling. From what you have written, it doesn't leave out Strike or EW (but you're commending their play). Neither does it leave out Swang nor Charle. Skimming is often a scumtell, and you're saying Swang has indeed skimmed. Charle you would also commend if he were The Thing. I.e. you haven't removed the possibility that these players are The Thing/convert. It feels like you're making your case stronger than it is, and that makes it really hard to follow.
Look at the Traf-Votanic allignment D2. Now that's a allignment.
My 2 cents.[/quote][/Spoiler]
I don't agree with all of Son!c's reads/cases - as you will see from the orange bits - but it is unfair to state that he hasn't put together an effort to convince anyone beyond flooding the thread.[/quote]
What bothers me is the tunneling and that the smallest new information is somehow connected to Traf = Thing. But it's also part of Sonic's MO.
I want to briefly get back to the vig thing - also because Traf disagrees here with strike's proposal. If Traf flips town like he claims, we are in 6v2 or 5v3 without a vig kill. I would much rather take a vig shot then rely in town getting a correct BT/lynch in a 5v3 situation. You may argue that 4v3 is just as bad, which is true in terms that it requires all of us to agree on the BT, but if you take a vig shot then you know for sure that a townie is the deciding factor in who to kill. Who to kill is something we shouldn't really talk about, because even if the vig shot is wrong they have a decent chance of hitting a to-be-convert.
TOFU, ex-REP, ex-VDLL, ex-KoRT.
