Is Rap misogynistic?

[mandyb]

Honestly, you really sound like someone who has never heard rap other than that shit 50 Cent and other fake gangsters who are popular spout.

So the popular stuff is shit huh?
Is it popular because it's shit? Are these fake gangsters the ones with the fame because of their depiction of women/violence/drugs?
I wonder...

Popular music is almost always shit.

You made a general statement and avoided the real question.
Let me pose it again:
You agree that some Rap is misogynistic (namely popular Rap). Is it popular because it endorses violence, materialism and misogyny? Furthermore, are the music producers and managers guilty of encouraging this trend in order to make a quick buck, regardless of whether the rappers themselves actually believe in what they sell?

I'm sure you've heard a lot more rap than I have or would want to - doesn't mean that I can't share an opinion...I'm not a chef either, but that doesn0t mean I haven't the right to discuss my likes and dislikes in food.

Sure. But you can't go around saying that all food from a certain country is shit just because you've had a few bad snacks.

Nor have I.
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would know that I was refering to only those songs and videos depicting women negatively, something I continued to say in following posts. Interestingly enough studies have shown that even non-misogynistic rap still causes misogynistic feelings towards women - possibly due to the association already established.
And I'm not saying gangsta rap is an instigator but merely a perpetrator - does that make it any less potent or culpable?

As for this thread, I started, not because I know all about it, but because I thought it was an interesting subject for discussion.

Making blanket statements on something you know nothing about is generally a bad idea for a thread. There was no discussion in your original post, it was a statement saying "lol, rappers hate broads".

You have done nothing towards proving me overwhelmingly wrong whatsoever,

In regards to the "Is Rap misogynisitc?"-question, yes he has.

Now then Snorri, there was no 'lol-ing' in my first post - it was catagorically humour free, I assure you.
And dave actually did agree with me - back up a couple of his posts and you'll see. He just didn't want to write off the music becase of it.
He also made this point :

See, the real issue here isn't the music, it's that idiot sheltered white kids imitate what was never meant to be imitated. And it's that kind of bullshit that gets headlines.

Those idiot white kids make up the majority of the buying for gangsta rap.
So, who is at fault here?
Is it the teenage suberbanites that finance the sexism and abuse, or the rappers that, for the amusement of the public, sell their fantasies of female domination and portray women as empty-headed, money grabbing sex objects that deserve to be mistreated?
Since I'm posting on a subject I 'know nothing about', perhaps you could tell me.

[Snorri1234]

You agree that some Rap is misogynistic (namely popular Rap). Is it popular because it endorses violence, materialism and misogyny? Furthermore, are the music producers and managers guilty of encouraging this trend in order to make a quick buck, regardless of whether the rappers themselves actually believe in what they sell?

Most probably and yes.

This may suprise you, but many men don't actually think of those songs to be misogynistic simply because they talk in the same fashion. You think that those songs generalize, but to most people they're about...well all those bitches they know. It's the equivalent of women hating those guys who cheat, lie or generally act like a dick. It's not that they hate them all, but just that they think a number of them are and like music that portrays those things. Think of all those "pay-back songs" from numerous female artists. Are they about hating men?


Also, it's kind of uhm...obvious that violence and materialism appeal to people...

Nor have I.
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would know that I was refering to only those songs and videos depicting women negatively, something I continued to say in following posts.

Except that isn't what you actually did. Your first post bluntly asked if Rap (not some, not certain types of, but just Rap) was misogynistic and contained a '93 lyric from Kurupt emphasizing the point.
It's why me and dave responded with lyrics from other songs. Because your original point was false.

Interestingly enough studies have shown that even non-misogynistic rap still causes misogynistic feelings towards women - possibly due to the association already established.

Or probably because of the general aggressive nature of most rap.

And I'm not saying gangsta rap is an instigator but merely a perpetrator - does that make it any less potent or culpable?

See? This is what I'm talking about. Not all rap is gangsta-rap. Most artists don't even exclusively produce it. "The Message" by Dr Dre isn't (y'know, since it's about how he misses his little brother who passed away) but it's on his 2001-album which is mostly gangsta-rap. You make a distinction absent from your original post.

And anyway, can you fault the whole human race for allowing something? It's not up to artists, because they can't produce without an audience and the audience can't help but liking that type of music.

Now then Snorri, there was no 'lol-ing' in my first post - it was catagorically humour free, I assure you.
And dave actually did agree with me - back up a couple of his posts and you'll see. He just didn't want to write off the music becase of it.

Obviously not. Being that rap generally isn't bad and often even has a message, throwing away all that because some lyrics can be perceived as hatefull towards women is stupid.

See, the real issue here isn't the music, it's that idiot sheltered white kids imitate what was never meant to be imitated. And it's that kind of bullshit that gets headlines.

Those idiot white kids make up the majority of the buying for gangsta rap.
So, who is at fault here?
Is it the teenage suberbanites that finance the sexism and abuse, or the rappers that, for the amusement of the public, sell their fantasies of female domination and portray women as empty-headed, money grabbing sex objects that deserve to be mistreated?

The former. If those kids enjoyed listening to songs about how all women are heavenly and great, then rap would cater to that.

But the fact is they don't, because women aren't like that. They are every bit as bad as men are, and that's why shit often doesn't work. Even kids learn that lesson at a very young age. You're pointing fingers at a few people for an emotion that is felt by nearly everyone at some point in life. Sure, kids are too stupid to realise the difference between all those bitches and that girl who is your soulmate, but if that's your beef I wonder why you don't advocate banning kids from listening to any type of music. It's not like you can blame someone for misinterpreting your lyrics, otherwise rock, metal and nearly any form of music would've been banned.

Honestly, you're sounding like one of those "concerned" parents who'd sue Ozzy Osbourne for advocating suicide.

[nagerous]

Honestly, you really sound like someone who has never heard rap other than that shit 50 Cent and other fake gangsters who are popular spout.

So the popular stuff is shit huh?
Is it popular because it's shit? Are these fake gangsters the ones with the fame because of their depiction of women/violence/drugs?
I wonder...

Popular music is almost always shit.

You made a general statement and avoided the real question.
Let me pose it again:
You agree that some Rap is misogynistic (namely popular Rap). Is it popular because it endorses violence, materialism and misogyny? Furthermore, are the music producers and managers guilty of encouraging this trend in order to make a quick buck, regardless of whether the rappers themselves actually believe in what they sell?

I'm sure you've heard a lot more rap than I have or would want to - doesn't mean that I can't share an opinion...I'm not a chef either, but that doesn0t mean I haven't the right to discuss my likes and dislikes in food.

Sure. But you can't go around saying that all food from a certain country is shit just because you've had a few bad snacks.

Nor have I.
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would know that I was refering to only those songs and videos depicting women negatively, something I continued to say in following posts. Interestingly enough studies have shown that even non-misogynistic rap still causes misogynistic feelings towards women - possibly due to the association already established.
And I'm not saying gangsta rap is an instigator but merely a perpetrator - does that make it any less potent or culpable?

As for this thread, I started, not because I know all about it, but because I thought it was an interesting subject for discussion.

Making blanket statements on something you know nothing about is generally a bad idea for a thread. There was no discussion in your original post, it was a statement saying "lol, rappers hate broads".

You have done nothing towards proving me overwhelmingly wrong whatsoever,

In regards to the "Is Rap misogynisitc?"-question, yes he has.

Now then Snorri, there was no 'lol-ing' in my first post - it was catagorically humour free, I assure you.
And dave actually did agree with me - back up a couple of his posts and you'll see. He just didn't want to write off the music becase of it.
He also made this point :

See, the real issue here isn't the music, it's that idiot sheltered white kids imitate what was never meant to be imitated. And it's that kind of bullshit that gets headlines.

Those idiot white kids make up the majority of the buying for gangsta rap.
So, who is at fault here?
Is it the teenage suberbanites that finance the sexism and abuse, or the rappers that, for the amusement of the public, sell their fantasies of female domination and portray women as empty-headed, money grabbing sex objects that deserve to be mistreated?
Since I'm posting on a subject I 'know nothing about', perhaps you could tell me.

Actually, not all popular rap is shit... Heard of Kanye West, Outkast or Lupe Fiasco. All great artists who have had considerable mainstream success and have no lyrics that demean women in any way or songs about guns and shit. Gangster rap is actually dying and has had much less success in the last couple of years than in the past, with newer artists like Lupe Fiasco receiving more air time.