The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[Extreme Ways]

Spoiler

[quote="Extreme Ways"]I'll first address the easier part: [quote="Sonic"]Strike needs to tell more about what he found out on me. Because it just don't add up: Strike says he visited me on N1 but he kept coming for me on D2??..; Either he knows that is BS from the start or he is thinking the play is good for town (me attracting scum). But saying A means you need to say B at this moment.

Strike visiting you doesnt mean he's a cop of some sort, we only know he is a visiting role and confirms that Pix saw him visiting you.

I already used a metaphor trying to explain it all what's going on between me and EW. In this game there is at least a good glass of wine (town) and a poisoned glass (scum).

But if your town you just don't know: so you only know there is a glass of Red wine out there from quality so good it's like this rich and elegant good angel Paulliac style.. but there is also a glass of poisoned wine ot there ; so pure evil if you drink it your murdered instantly..and you lose the game

So: As town you need to search for the good glass and you need to search for it fast..you just don't know what glass is gonna be evil and what not... EW not once searched for the glass himself (like he already knew, the evil glas is already secretly marked as evil or he knows or both glasses are spiked with poison and he knows that too...Evil knows evil).

I said Strike needed a brain "in three moves"..because Stinke was always defending / confirming EW on every move by attacking me just because EW did. But i also understand Strike hooked his wagon on EW because EW is that great of a player,.. but did Strike just once considered the possiblility EW was scum? And If you counter-attack me and lynch me but i turn out town as Die Fledermaus like i have been saying from D1 surely town will lynch you right back? Not much "checkmate in 3" style there i'd say?

I knew Pix his terroir story would produce a Grand Vin like a 1938 La Tour Pauillac (Premier Grand Cru Classé). I think we have to follow up on it while enjoying this good glass of good wine.


Unvote Pixar


Vote EW

Enjoy your wine! I dont know if you noticed, but I'm actually heavily pushing against you after D2 and N2. Also, you are thoroughly bastardising WIFOM to the point that even I am confused. If you have questions that need answering from me, please list them and I shall try my best (within reason).[/quote]

"Against me"[/spoiler]
Is that against me like trying to lynch me asap or against me getting lynch votes?

Like i said : you never once seemed interested finding out what glas of wine is poisoned and what glas is not like you know from the start.[/quote]
I do understand if you dont read all of my posts, but some are important

So I reread through Fusis posts and a couple things:

1. He was pretty consistently "suspicious" of Loose and Pixar and was one of the bandwagon votes on Pixar early. Loose obviously flipped town. Pixar is still alive. It makes me lean a little more against Pixar being mafia. However, it's not a guarantee that Fusi wouldn't throw shade at a fellow scum nor does it clear Pixar from any third party role.

2. He pretty much ignored the Swang wagon.

There's more but I don't really know how to decipher it all quite yet.

I don't get this Stinke

I already eplained why i got from Pix to Ew to you and Traf.

Now on D3 EW plays it great, so does Traf, now all the sudden you do too and Pix is just staying in the shades like he's a good dude... Like it could be..

Okay, could be we all got blown away by Fusi being scum.?? We need a leader now and untill somebody pops up giving a better
declaration im with Reggie.

Still don't get it why Pepe is supposed to be scum?

Like you already mention, I think Raz almost-confirmed Rag by making it Raz vs Rag so he's a town leader for now. I also trust DDS a lot still, of course.

And am I playing it great because I dont mistrust you like I did day 2? The way the night played out

By the bye, EW and SW are starting to feel weird. It's the way they write. Apologetically and all. Something is amiss. I'll get to the bottom of that when I've gotten to the bottom of today's derby defeat.

Okay, I've tried thrice now to insert a gif from That 70s Show with the mum pouring booze in a massive smoothie, but it doesn't work. Probably because I'm off my tit. Just imagine, alright?

It's because I am . I pushed for Sonic and early on in the day indicated that upon further reflection my FoS at fusi was unnecessary and even moved him up in my list of townies. Sonic I am also thinking is probably town or maybe 3P, but not scum, atm. Basically I played terribly day 2.

I'm not defending Sonic. I'm at a crossroad with "do i vote for a guy who actively hurts town, or do i entertain the idea that he is so scummy, hes town?" Loose, sadly, fell into the latter category. Can see why a vig would shoot him though.

hmm, I understand that. I think based on his D2 voting and consistent character it's hard to place him mafia right now (as much as I hate that). 3P is possible but unlikely.

I basically think you're town at this moment. Definitely not scum.

[SoN!c]

Spoiler

[quote="Extreme Ways"]I'll first address the easier part: [quote="Sonic"]Strike needs to tell more about what he found out on me. Because it just don't add up: Strike says he visited me on N1 but he kept coming for me on D2??..; Either he knows that is BS from the start or he is thinking the play is good for town (me attracting scum). But saying A means you need to say B at this moment.

Strike visiting you doesnt mean he's a cop of some sort, we only know he is a visiting role and confirms that Pix saw him visiting you.

I already used a metaphor trying to explain it all what's going on between me and EW. In this game there is at least a good glass of wine (town) and a poisoned glass (scum).

But if your town you just don't know: so you only know there is a glass of Red wine out there from quality so good it's like this rich and elegant good angel Paulliac style.. but there is also a glass of poisoned wine ot there ; so pure evil if you drink it your murdered instantly..and you lose the game

So: As town you need to search for the good glass and you need to search for it fast..you just don't know what glass is gonna be evil and what not... EW not once searched for the glass himself (like he already knew, the evil glas is already secretly marked as evil or he knows or both glasses are spiked with poison and he knows that too...Evil knows evil).

I said Strike needed a brain "in three moves"..because Stinke was always defending / confirming EW on every move by attacking me just because EW did. But i also understand Strike hooked his wagon on EW because EW is that great of a player,.. but did Strike just once considered the possiblility EW was scum? And If you counter-attack me and lynch me but i turn out town as Die Fledermaus like i have been saying from D1 surely town will lynch you right back? Not much "checkmate in 3" style there i'd say?

I knew Pix his terroir story would produce a Grand Vin like a 1938 La Tour Pauillac (Premier Grand Cru Classé). I think we have to follow up on it while enjoying this good glass of good wine.


Unvote Pixar


Vote EW

Enjoy your wine! I dont know if you noticed, but I'm actually heavily pushing against you after D2 and N2. Also, you are thoroughly bastardising WIFOM to the point that even I am confused. If you have questions that need answering from me, please list them and I shall try my best (within reason).

"Against me"[/spoiler]
Is that against me like trying to lynch me asap or against me getting lynch votes?

Like i said : you never once seemed interested finding out what glas of wine is poisoned and what glas is not like you know from the start.[/quote]
I do understand if you dont read all of my posts, but some are important

So I reread through Fusis posts and a couple things:

1. He was pretty consistently "suspicious" of Loose and Pixar and was one of the bandwagon votes on Pixar early. Loose obviously flipped town. Pixar is still alive. It makes me lean a little more against Pixar being mafia. However, it's not a guarantee that Fusi wouldn't throw shade at a fellow scum nor does it clear Pixar from any third party role.

2. He pretty much ignored the Swang wagon.

There's more but I don't really know how to decipher it all quite yet.

I don't get this Stinke

I already eplained why i got from Pix to Ew to you and Traf.

Now on D3 EW plays it great, so does Traf, now all the sudden you do too and Pix is just staying in the shades like he's a good dude... Like it could be..

Okay, could be we all got blown away by Fusi being scum.?? We need a leader now and untill somebody pops up giving a better
declaration im with Reggie.

Still don't get it why Pepe is supposed to be scum?

Like you already mention, I think Raz almost-confirmed Rag by making it Raz vs Rag so he's a town leader for now. I also trust DDS a lot still, of course.

And am I playing it great because I dont mistrust you like I did day 2? The way the night played out

By the bye, EW and SW are starting to feel weird. It's the way they write. Apologetically and all. Something is amiss. I'll get to the bottom of that when I've gotten to the bottom of today's derby defeat.

Okay, I've tried thrice now to insert a gif from That 70s Show with the mum pouring booze in a massive smoothie, but it doesn't work. Probably because I'm off my tit. Just imagine, alright?

It's because I am . I pushed for Sonic and early on in the day indicated that upon further reflection my FoS at fusi was unnecessary and even moved him up in my list of townies. Sonic I am also thinking is probably town or maybe 3P, but not scum, atm. Basically I played terribly day 2.

I'm not defending Sonic. I'm at a crossroad with "do i vote for a guy who actively hurts town, or do i entertain the idea that he is so scummy, hes town?" Loose, sadly, fell into the latter category. Can see why a vig would shoot him though.

hmm, I understand that. I think based on his D2 voting and consistent character it's hard to place him mafia right now (as much as I hate that). 3P is possible but unlikely.

I basically think you're town at this moment. Definitely not scum.[/quote]

I've read all your posts.. I made notes you know.. not once you were looking for the poisoned glass yourself like you already knew from the start (on N1) what glasses are poisoned and not..only mafia would know this.

Not being scum "for now"?? Either you believe me im Die Fledermause or you do not.. you can't believe something like that "for now"..keeping mafia help lines and future play possibilities open..

Fusi getting us on the wrong track both on Loose and with Pix seems credible. I know i fell for it (going after Loose because of that)..

I wanna know if Pix says he got the answers he needed from Strike next and going from there we can scumhunt like we should as a united town

[Extreme Ways]

I've read all your posts.. I made notes you know.. not once you were looking for the poisoned glass yourself like you already knew from the start (on N1) what glasses are poisoned and not..only mafia would know this.

I still dont get this. People play mafia differently. Some look for mafia, others look to build a towncircle.

You were definitely not in my towncircle D2 and seemed unreasonably scummy to me to the point that I went pushing for you, but ultimately I went back to vote on Raz due to the things he said and the votes of the people I trust.

Rag, DDS, Traf and to lesser extent Wolf (and now Pix? Sonic? it appears) are part of the people I trust to be not mafia, therefore I look for my mafia in the "glasses" I dont trust to be unpoisoned.

[SoN!c]

I've read all your posts.. I made notes you know.. not once you were looking for the poisoned glass yourself like you already knew from the start (on N1) what glasses are poisoned and not..only mafia would know this.

I still dont get this. People play mafia differently. Some look for mafia, others look to build a towncircle.

You were definitely not in my towncircle D2 and seemed unreasonably scummy to me to the point that I went pushing for you, but ultimately I went back to vote on Raz due to the things he said and the votes of the people I trust.

Rag, DDS, Traf and to lesser extent Wolf (and now Pix? Sonic? it appears) are part of the people I trust to be not mafia, therefore I look for my mafia in the "glasses" I dont trust to be unpoisoned.

Well this is the perfect defense play i expect from you because you know i can find out if people are lying or when they are not to be trusted.. but i can't say why 100% for sure in a mafia game because i don't know mafia games like you do because all the different roles that are out there and this is my first one. You are the experienced mafia player. And you know that is my weak point so if i were you i would do the same. Love it that you do actually. Like i said your the genius player that would spike both glasses and get the antidote..

Fact remains not once (after all this time) you wanted to search the glass that was poisoned like you already knew which glasses were poisoned and which were not..

Pix and Strike both made such a big soft claim everything from there on out should be pretty straightforward
but you just want to ignore that it seems.. only thinking on the fact how all of this will make you look and not how it will make town look or what this could mean to town..you don't care about what glasses are spiked and what are not. Because You know already know in advance what glasses are poisoned.

Also 100% sure by now Your level of play is genius style so we can be sure you won't have put the poison in the glass of your opponent in front of you.. You are like Fusi spiking your own glas looking for the flip,.. or i think your even one step beyond that.. spiking both glasses and swallow the antidote

L'éveil est un état d'énergie mentale et spirituelle inépuisable. Enlightened Genius you are.

[Extreme Ways]

You flatter me . This is my second mafia game forum-style, and the first one I was killed in Night 1.

Pix and Strike both made such a big soft claim everything from there on out should be pretty straightforward
but you just want to ignore that it seems.. only thinking on the fact how all of this will make you look and not how it will make town look or what this could mean to town..you don't care about what glasses are spiked and what are not. Because You know already know in advance what glasses are poisoned.

I will gladly return to that and also asked Pix whether he was claiming cop or rather something like tracker, but didnt want to ignore you either.

I'm waiting on DDS/Rag opinions to move the game along and am willing to defend/clarify when needed.

[Extreme Ways]

PS: In the land of the blind, one-eye is King

[SoN!c]

PS: In the land of the blind, one-eye is King

hahaha

But you know you and Traf are mafia.

Mafia never walks alone.

[Extreme Ways]

I thought my scum buddy was Wolf?

[SoN!c]

I thought my scum buddy was Wolf?

Nope - look back the "coördinated attack" section - strike wolf played along with you for sure but the question was always why he would do that.

New tactic in play against you after i explained the flip strategy is a dead end on you - like a new rocket in Ukraine.. not looking for the flip anymore but going for Collateral Damage getting you to talk more... you talk a lot more but not on the subject that matters ..

If you wanna explain yourself now is the time

[Extreme Ways]

Like I said, I'm willing to answer any and all questions and am pretty open about the people I trust or distrust. Like I also said, I am waiting on DDS and Rag to post their analysis and will probably just go along with them.

I'm curious, what does your chummy-to-scummy list look like?

[SoN!c]

Like I said, I'm willing to answer any and all questions and am pretty open about the people I trust or distrust. Like I also said, I am waiting on DDS and Rag to post their analysis and will probably just go along with them.

I'm curious, what does your chummy-to-scummy list look like?

chummy-to-scummy list:

1. EW
2. EW
3. EW
4. EW
5. EW


This is why i want you to start talking asap

[Extreme Ways]

You still havent mentioned what you want me to talk about, and I wont get to it till my morning commute at this point. Good night!

[PepeAtila]

I will confirm visiting Son!c N1. I visited Pixar N2. Curious why you would track Rag when Raz's reveal all but cleared him as town.

That said, Tracker is almost always a town role and the fact that he was correct on my N1 visit means that he is probably telling the truth.

And why did you visit Pixar N2? anything to share?

[SoN!c]

You still havent mentioned what you want me to talk about, and I wont get to it till my morning commute at this point. Good night!

Good night - sweet dreams?

Like i said Pix and Strike made such a big claim it would be easy to follow up on that and pop their balloon if it was not true..

And you don't wanna explore the possibilities they claim either, like you already know who is mafia....not going any deeper on their claims... like you do all game long.. seems so weird

For now you just wanna seem to get a delay? (now Trafa is out of town)??

[Extreme Ways]

You still havent mentioned what you want me to talk about, and I wont get to it till my morning commute at this point. Good night!

Good night - sweet dreams?

Like i said Pix and Strike made such a big claim it would be easy to follow up on that and pop their balloon if it was not true..

And you don't wanna explore the possibilities they claim either, like you already know who is mafia....not going any deeper on their claims... like you do all game long.. seems so weird

For now you just wanna seem to get a delay? (now Trafa is out of town)??

Typing from bed which I shouldnt do!

Strike confirmed Pix's info on strike. I trust Strike still, and thus have moved Pix out of my scum list. I followed up on Pix's accusation by asking whether he was claiming cop or someone else, which was answered. What more do you want me to ask? Obviously strike isn't comfortable sharing his role right now and imo he doesn't need to either. Strike didnt visit someone who died as a result and while I am curious, I understand his need for privacy. I believe Pix's claim and I thinik that Strike is more often than not town.

Undoubtedly, I am not the only one with an opinion on this matter. Thus I await for DDS and Rag's opinion, not Traf's as he already posted a hefty analysis earlier.

If you and others continue to not trust me I'll have to claim at some point, but that too is why I want to hear from DDS and Rag. Surely they also have an opinion about me.

[*Pixar*]

May I ask what strike is soft claiming? Cop? Would be curious to know what he was doing to Son!c still.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Without quoting anything, still on my phone but rather not keep you guys hanging all day.

So from what i understand is that...
Strike soft claims cop.
Pepe claims vig (if i read that right).
Pixar claims tracker.
Sonic is a mouse.
Ragian is def town

I believe i saw a mention of why some of us were still alive? I'll just soft claim it, but unless i choose someone pretty scummy, I'll be safe for the night.

I'm thinking maybe one of our less active players maybe 3P or scum.

That leaves us with Traffic, Bax, Darin, and kind of Swang. Basically anyone who is on my neutral list from earlier.

@EW, I'm not going to consider Sonic as our 3P. He'd be SK or Arsonist and from a common sense standpoint, i think someone's first game as that would stand to reason that maybe painting a giant target on your forehead isn't the best move.

[DirtyDishSoap]

EBWOP

I believe i saw a mention of why some of us were still alive? I'll just soft claim it, but unless i choose someone pretty scummy, I'll be safe for the night. Unless my target dies, i die with him

[DirtyDishSoap]

The smoking gun for that ability is that i could use it as an investigate and if i die, that person is scum.

[strike wolf]

I am not softclaiming Cop. I Am Not The Cop. All I confirmed was that I visited Son!c night 1 and that in some capacity allows me to know that he did not personally kill Charle N1. I can also say that Pixar was most likely not responsible for any of the N2 kills. Why visit Son!c and Pic? In short, I didn't fully trust either of them. Son!c is erratic and I didn't like that he wanted to make a blanket statement to throw shade on all experienced players. The Pixar wagon was stupid but I couldn't deny that he had been kind of shady and quiet since.

I think I've given enough knowledge around my role that most observant players probably have at least a ball park on what it could be. I'm willing to give a specific role claim if Rag/enough people think I should. I just don't know if it helps town at this point.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Eh, why not. Vote Bax

[swang918]

I believe Pixar's claim. I don't think I believe strike's claim.

I followed the posts starting last page to see Pixar's reasoning. First he asks if Doc's protection worked on N1 even tho Doc died. Extreme answered yes. Then Pixar votes strike and backs it by going public with the tracker claim. He says he tracked strike N1 and Ragian N2. Says he saw strike visit Sonic.

Now, only 1 person died N1. 3 people including 2 towns died N2. That means it's very likely scum can get more than 1 kill per night. I don't buy that Loose necessarily has to have been a vigilante kill. So if scum can do multiple kills, why did only 1 person die N1? One answer, and the one that I think Pixar is onto, is that Doc saved them. Ok, why would Doc use a save on Sonic? Go back to D1 posts, we see Doc Charle agreeing with Sonic and even thinking he's cop:

Reading through all of this over and over and in short I tend to agree with Sonic (who I think is cop anyway) ... it seems that Loose is defending Pixar both Mafia. I have a feeling that Loose's current "no vote" is going to hit us somehow and sometime very hard.

I keep my vote as is for reason.

this stood out to me because Doc Charle was posting but not that much, and no one else was agreeing with Sonic. So as of end of D2, we don't know much about Charle other than he agreed with Sonic and maybe thought Sonic was cop. Stepping into Doc Charle's shoes it makes sense to use his save on Sonic.

So putting it all together: 2 towns died N2, meaning it's likely scum can kill more than once per night. Only 1 town died N1, so likely Doc had saved someone. Based on Doc Charle's posts, his most likely save was Sonic. Pixar revealed, and strike himself confirmed, that strike visited Sonic N1. Therefore most likely explanation is that Strike tried to kill Sonic but failed bc of Doc Charle. I believe this is Pixar's theory and having thought about it it is mine as well.
So one question is why strike would confirm visiting sonic if he is scum. I think maybe some kind of razor maneuver of being partially truthful.
strike's claim/defense is unsatisfying. He explains his reason for visiting Sonic as he didn't fully trust him and sonic is erratic. Ok so he visited sonic N1 and knows that sonic didn't kill Charle. Yet on D2 strike actually voted Sonic and was kind of pressing sonic a bit, before jumping on the razor wagon. I don't see the point of voting and pressing sonic if strike knows sonic didn't kill Charle. There were no other deaths on N1.
The only issue with this theory is I'm not sure why scum would target Sonic N1. Seems not to be an obvious target. But otherwise the evidence fits the theory pretty damn well.

Vote Strike

[swang918]

ebwop

I followed the posts starting last page to see Pixar's reasoning. First he asks if Doc's protection could have worked on N1 even tho Doc died. Extreme answered yes.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Ok I had a superlong day, but managed to rea you guys, but will need a re-read. For now I believe Pix Claim as Tracker. Strike not sure about the role he is soft claiming, will have to look what it is.
Saying all that swang stikes as quite scummy, with his all in attack. And remebered someone said Fusi did ignore the swang wagon.
Hopefully I'll get a better read with a rested head.

[Extreme Ways]

Ok I had a superlong day, but managed to rea you guys, but will need a re-read. For now I believe Pix Claim as Tracker. Strike not sure about the role he is soft claiming, will have to look what it is.
Saying all that swang stikes as quite scummy, with his all in attack. And remebered someone said Fusi did ignore the swang wagon.
Hopefully I'll get a better read with a rested head.

Swang's story does make sense, we don't know who Doc protected (and this is why any Charle opinion on this is a heated one). I dont think maf has 2 NKs though, at least not every night.

I also totally missed the vigi soft despite reading over it, so much for "experienced player"

The smoking gun for that ability is that i could use it as an investigate and if i die, that person is scum.

Correct me if I'm wrong: you are a phantom-like role that dies upon visiting scum. Meaning you've had 2 nights on which you've not visited scum, meaning there's 2 confirmed townies in there unless mafia has a re-director?