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Quebec Needs to See Your Face

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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/03/24/quebec-reasonable-accommodation-law.html?ref=rss

Muslim women and others with concealing headwear will have to uncover their faces when they deal with Quebec government services, under landmark legislation tabled Wednesday.

In tabling the controversial bill, Quebec has delved into sensitive territory where governments in Canada have largely avoided treading.

The bill says people obtaining — or delivering — services at places like the provincial health or auto-insurance boards will need to do so with their faces in plain view.

The legislation says people's face coverings will not be tolerated if they hinder communication or visual identification. The traditional Muslim niqab shows little more than a woman's eyes.

Quebec is drawing a line in defence of two principles, gender equality and secular public institutions, Premier Jean Charest said at a news conference Wednesday morning.

"This is a symbol of affirmation and respect — first of all for ourselves, and also for those to whom we open our arms," Charest told reporters. "This is not about making our home less welcoming, but about stressing the values that unite us. ...

"An accommodation cannot be granted unless it respects the principle of equality between men and women, and the religious neutrality of the state."

Fear to tread
While the debate over such identity issues has raged in Europe for years, Canadian politicians have generally been reluctant to weigh in.

Charest's Liberal government has faced persistent criticism from those who say it has done too little to draw up guidelines for accommodating minorities.

Quebec newspapers have been full of stories where people express outrage over perceived religious excesses, and the opposition has clobbered the government in the legislature over its supposed inaction.

The bill, tabled by Justice Minister Kathleen Weil, explicitly points out that any provisions are subject to the guarantees of gender and religious equality outlined in the federal Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

In Quebec, the debate over face coverings has consumed a tremendous amount of attention for what amounts to a minuscule number of cases.

Of the more than 118,000 visitors to the health board's Montreal office in 2008-09 only 10 were niqab wearers who asked for special dispensation.

There were no such cases among the 28,000 visitors to the Quebec City service centre over the same time period.

© The Canadian Press, 2010



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When I think of Canada, I think about the film dons of Hollywood going there to make films because they don't want to be a part of the giant shithole LA, even though it was them and their cronies that turned it into a shithole along with rest of the country (US). YES, THIS IS ANOTHER HEARTFELT TRUTHFUL REFERANCE TO THE JEWS IN POWER. 46 years into the plan!!!!!!! Don't know the plan though do ya?
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It seems to me to be a reasonable requirement for Muslim women to uncover their faces enough for visual confirmation of identity to take place, then being allowed to re-cover their faces after that visual confirmation takes place.
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How can this even be a question? Even Woodruff gets it. And NO you can't have muslems hired specifically to look. If there's not one on staff (can't imagine this being the case) that day someone else will get to see you. Suck it up!
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2dimes wrote:How can this even be a question? Even Woodruff gets it. And NO you can't have muslems hired specifically to look. If there's not one on staff (can't imagine this being the case) that day someone else will get to see you. Suck it up!


Even Woodruff gets it? Am I some ultra-left-wing-liberal in your mind?
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I mostly base my opinion on the fact that just like me you don't want to take the time to read things before you post comments.

To be honest I'm a little ignorant on that whole "Left" "Right" thing. So you might be some ultra-left-wing-liberal in my mind. No, I don't really want to be educated on it.

I'm probably projecting or something but you seem more like a person that would defend the right of a lady in full burka to remain concealed at all times. I'm not sure what the purpose of the ninja outfit is but I'm sure there's places you can wear it and not have your rights violated by French people that couldn't care less about religious freedom. Though it's diluted in Quebec, like mother France the official religion there is Catholicism and you have a right to be that if you're looking for religious freedom. Other wise you need to take off the hat to get photo ID pictures taken.

The problem is England sent troops over and France for whatever reason didn't send back up. So we became colonized in 1867 then in the 80s in an act of denile that's become very Canadian they changed the celebration of that anniversary to "Canada day" to pretend it didn't happen. "Hey man, we're our own thing here. We don't need the monarcy. Don't think that makes us a bunch of stupid Americans either eh!" So yeah the official policy for Canada is to let you come here and do what ever makes you happy. Set up gangs like you did back home? Go ahead, why not? We don't opress africans here so they are just a bunch of regular Canadians. Someone should fill that gang void here. Want to wear a burka and smuggle things into Canada refusing to even show your face. Go ahead. Oh you might not want to land in Quebec they actually search people and make them take off the hat to properly identify themselves. You should have went through Lester B. Pearson.

I also am a little bitter that you're not considering the rights of both parties in the B&B thread when you changed your position. Guess that's the Canuck in me thinking everyone has rights. Then again that supports the fact that you'd side with me here and feel your rights to dress up are only good until they interfere with everyone else's right to not have some criminal dress up like you and refuse to be identified to dodge the law. I guess in the grand scheme I'm not seperating things enough.

Mostly it was just a cheap shot.
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Huh, the fancy ninja hat is a niqab. You'd think a guy like me with an interest in the muslems would know that.
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2dimes wrote:I mostly base my opinion on the fact that just like me you don't want to take the time to read things before you post comments.


Why should I bother reading when I already know everything? <chuckle>

2dimes wrote:I'm probably projecting or something but you seem more like a person that would defend the right of a lady in full burka to remain concealed at all times.


If you replace "at all times" with "during most times", I would agree that I am that sort of a person. But there are absolutely instances when this simply isn't POSSIBLE due to the necessity for individual personal identification. For me, those few instances have nothing at all to do with religious freedom so much as they have to do with the idea of allowing the government to govern.

2dimes wrote:I also am a little bitter that you're not considering the rights of both parties in the B&B thread when you changed your position.


I never changed my position, actually. If you closely read what I've said, I've basically said that I'm willing to IGNORE what she's doing because her B&B is also her home but that I don't feel as though she has the RIGHT to do what she's doing. I haven't changed my position at all.

2dimes wrote:Mostly it was just a cheap shot.


Fair enough. If I'm gonna dish them out from time to time then I have to take them from time to time too. <grin>
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Yoda Skywalker wrote:When I think of Canada, I think about the film dons of Hollywood going there to make films because they don't want to be a part of the giant shithole LA, even though it was them and their cronies that turned it into a shithole along with rest of the country (US). YES, THIS IS ANOTHER HEARTFELT TRUTHFUL REFERANCE TO THE JEWS IN POWER. 46 years into the plan!!!!!!! Don't know the plan though do ya?

Wait, what? The Jews fucked up LA, so they went to Canada (Quebec, in this case) to mess with a dozen or so Muslims a year so they can shoot a movie. Am I interpreting that right?
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Woodruff wrote:


It seems to me to be a reasonable requirement for Muslim women to uncover their faces enough for visual confirmation of identity to take place, then being allowed to re-cover their faces after that visual confirmation takes place.

Yes, it does, but I am not in Quebec.
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2dimes wrote:I'm probably projecting or something but you seem more like a person that would defend the right of a lady in full burka to remain concealed at all times. I'm not sure what the purpose of the ninja outfit is but I'm sure there's places you can wear it and not have your rights violated by French people that couldn't care less about religious freedom. Though it's diluted in Quebec, like mother France the official religion there is Catholicism and you have a right to be that if you're looking for religious freedom. Other wise you need to take off the hat to get photo ID pictures taken.


What a load of bull. I happen to live in Quebec and there is plenty of religious freedom. I don't know what your on about catholicism being the only religion to have total freedom considering most Quebecers have probably been to church less than once a year.

2dimes wrote:The problem is England sent troops over and France for whatever reason didn't send back up. So we became colonized in 1867 then in the 80s in an act of denile that's become very Canadian they changed the celebration of that anniversary to "Canada day" to pretend it didn't happen. "Hey man, we're our own thing here. We don't need the monarcy. Don't think that makes us a bunch of stupid Americans either eh!" So yeah the official policy for Canada is to let you come here and do what ever makes you happy. Set up gangs like you did back home? Go ahead, why not? We don't opress africans here so they are just a bunch of regular Canadians. Someone should fill that gang void here. Want to wear a burka and smuggle things into Canada refusing to even show your face. Go ahead. Oh you might not want to land in Quebec they actually search people and make them take off the hat to properly identify themselves. You should have went through Lester B. Pearson.

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So immigrants are the only ones who cause problems and join/create gangs are they? I find your views particularly disturbing.
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You're in luck, I'm into metis guys and your hat really turns me on, you're one hawt dude wanna cam?
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My only problem with this bill is that it will further segregate a community that keeps to itself to much as it is. Frankly if their religious convictions are so strong that they won't take of a niqab or burka in Canada then they will likely just not go to government offices.

I think it is a reasonable regulation, i just think it is sad that it will mean these women will likely no longer access government services.
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Ok I'll switch gears here. How are they going to be treated or even examinated by a doctor?
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