Classic Contest?

by **MrBenn** on Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:48 pm

If it's going to be revamped, then there needs to be some sort of contest.

Perhaps if somebody was to create some template border files/layers, then it could be a condition of entry that these (and territory names / army circle locations) must remain unchanged (to maintain XML continuity)

The foundry could, somehow, shortlist 4 or 5 options, to be presented to the wider community with some sort of vote.

Part of me thinks that if the changes are purely visual [ie same XML], then there could be some way of selecting which map you see - but this is another debate!

by **RjBeals** on Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:09 pm

MrBenn wrote:Perhaps if somebody was to create some template border files/layers, then it could be a condition of entry that these (and territory names / army circle locations) must remain unchanged (to maintain XML continuity)

Good Idea.

by **Qwert** on Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:17 pm

Well one thing must be change and these is a army shadows,its to dark and you can not see good blue numbers.

by **edbeard** on Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:45 pm

A contest, like the canada revamp, would be a splendid idea. Except, there should be a a secondary (and possibly tertiary) phase where after feedback is given, the 'contestants' resubmit their work.

by **WidowMakers** on Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:16 pm

edbeard wrote:A contest, like the canada revamp, would be a splendid idea. Except, there should be a a secondary (and possibly tertiary) phase where after feedback is given, the 'contestants' resubmit their work.

Sounds good to me.

But I don't see why the XML needs to be kept the same. I say if we are to have a contest, maybe set the large and small dimensions of the map to be the same as the current but let the XML coordinates float.

by **Unit_2** on Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:41 pm

Why do we need to revamp Classic? thats why it is called Classic :roll:

i just don't think it needs done..the map is fine.

Website · by **Bad Speler** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:03 am

Unit_2 wrote:Why do we need to revamp Classic? thats why it is called Classic i just don't think it needs done..the map is fine.

I've got to agree with unit on this one, the Classic map is still good even according to todays graphics standards, the only thing i would support would be minor touch ups such as lightning of the army shadows, moving territory names so theyre not under the shadow, etc.

There are many other maps which need more attention than the Classic map.

by **yeti_c** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:19 am

How about we have 5 "New" entries... and 5 touch up entries...

i.e. People submit their revamps - and their touch ups for the Classic...

Then we vote on the best touch up.

Then we but all 6 images up in GD and vote on the best...

(5 revamps and best touched up original)

C.

by **DiM** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:03 am

from what i understand the file for classic is available. why not make that file public and whoever wants to tinker with it is free to do it. then each person submits his version.

conditions:
change only:
a. position of armies
b. positions of army circles
c. colour adjustments where needed

or better yet ask wm to do all that privately with no contest and we're done. from what i know wm already made the scandinavia england connection so he can do the rest of the issues.

no point in changing the classic.

by **WidowMakers** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:35 am

DiM wrote:from what i understand the file for classic is available. why not make that file public and whoever wants to tinker with it is free to do it. then each person submits his version.

conditions:
change only:
a. position of armies
b. positions of army circles
c. colour adjustments where needed

or better yet ask wm to do all that privately with no contest and we're done. from what i know wm already made the scandinavia england connection so he can do the rest of the issues.

no point in changing the classic.

Nope it was not me. I asked lack to do it but he contacted the original artist and it was corrected by them.

Whatever is decided needs to be approved by the majority of the site. Having a poll in GD alone, might not be enough. I suggest if we do this once the rules are defined and the entries are in, a mass PM/email go out to direct everyone to the poll.

That way people cannot say they did not know that classic was potentially changing. Plus the current map needs to be a choice in the final.

WM

by **yeti_c** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:38 am

WidowMakers wrote:Plus the current map needs to be a choice in the final.

I think this should be a "retouched" current map...

C.

by **WidowMakers** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:40 am

yeti_c wrote:
WidowMakers wrote:Plus the current map needs to be a choice in the final.

I think this should be a "retouched" current map...

C.

OK. reposition names, circles, and make numbers easier to read.

by **yeti_c** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:40 am

WidowMakers wrote:
yeti_c wrote:
WidowMakers wrote:Plus the current map needs to be a choice in the final.

I think this should be a "retouched" current map...

C.
OK. reposition names, circles, and make numbers easier to read.

Yeah...

C.

by **DiM** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:40 am

WidowMakers wrote:Nope it was not me. I asked lack to do it but he contacted the original artist and it was corrected by them.

Whatever is decided needs to be approved by the majority of the site. Having a poll in GD alone, might not be enough. I suggest if we do this once the rules are defined and the entries are in, a mass PM/email go out to direct everyone to the poll.

That way people cannot say they did not know that classic was potentially changing. Plus the current map needs to be a choice in the final.

WM

i assumed it was you since you're the one that does the work around here when it comes to gfx for the site.

then i guess this is even better. ask the original artist to move circles and terit names and make the blue a bit lighter. 5 minutes in photoshop and the map will be good as new. no need for revamping contests mass pms and stuff like that.

easiest and best solution in my opinion because graphics stay the same and all the issues are solved :roll:

by **WidowMakers** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:46 am

DiM wrote:
WidowMakers wrote:Nope it was not me. I asked lack to do it but he contacted the original artist and it was corrected by them.

Whatever is decided needs to be approved by the majority of the site. Having a poll in GD alone, might not be enough. I suggest if we do this once the rules are defined and the entries are in, a mass PM/email go out to direct everyone to the poll.

That way people cannot say they did not know that classic was potentially changing. Plus the current map needs to be a choice in the final.

WM

i assumed it was you since you're the one that does the work around here when it comes to gfx for the site.

then i guess this is even better. ask the original artist to move circles and terit names and make the blue a bit lighter. 5 minutes in photoshop and the map will be good as new. no need for revamping contests mass pms and stuff like that.

easiest and best solution in my opinion because graphics stay the same and all the issues are solved

I agree this is the easiest if the original artist wants to redo and submit the work. But if there are still concerns, they would need to do it again. And again. And again....

We need make sure it fits the current requirements of the foundry.

From what I know it took a while to get that little change made, much less this entire overhaul of the circles/numbers.

WM

by **DiM** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:53 am

WidowMakers wrote:
DiM wrote:
WidowMakers wrote:Nope it was not me. I asked lack to do it but he contacted the original artist and it was corrected by them.

Whatever is decided needs to be approved by the majority of the site. Having a poll in GD alone, might not be enough. I suggest if we do this once the rules are defined and the entries are in, a mass PM/email go out to direct everyone to the poll.

That way people cannot say they did not know that classic was potentially changing. Plus the current map needs to be a choice in the final.

WM

i assumed it was you since you're the one that does the work around here when it comes to gfx for the site.

then i guess this is even better. ask the original artist to move circles and terit names and make the blue a bit lighter. 5 minutes in photoshop and the map will be good as new. no need for revamping contests mass pms and stuff like that.

easiest and best solution in my opinion because graphics stay the same and all the issues are solved
I agree this is the easiest if the original artist wants to redo and submit the work. But if there are still concerns, they would need to do it again. And again. And again....

We need make sure it fits the current requirements of the foundry.

From what I know it took a while to get that little change made, much less this entire overhaul of the circles/numbers.

WM

then you just get the files from the artist and do those changes. you have the required skills and you know the foundry rules.

by **wicked** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:03 am

Actually Lack drew that line in himself. :wink:

He's a turtle of many talents.

I dare say there will be a lot of opposition to messing with THE classic map. Shouldn't you guys be waiting for an "official" word on this before deciding on a contest? Gimil req'd for the GD discussion on this to end, so I assume that to mean nothing is currently happening? Don't know for sure of course, but maybe we should hear from a carto on this?

by **yeti_c** on Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:37 am

wicked wrote:Actually Lack drew that line in himself. He's a turtle of many talents.

I dare say there will be a lot of opposition to messing with THE classic map. Shouldn't you guys be waiting for an "official" word on this before deciding on a contest? Gimil req'd for the GD discussion on this to end, so I assume that to mean nothing is currently happening? Don't know for sure of course, but maybe we should hear from a carto on this?

But would you agree that a touch up would be OK?

C.