New York City [Quenched]

[oaktown]

i think it looks sweet. i was confused about the train stops because they're cutting through the circles, but its understandable if you look closer. maybe move the lines a little?

Personally - I don't think this is an issue - as the lines go behind the army circles...

C.

Right, I can live with it, but if you can do something minor to improve clarity I'm all for it.

Instead of "train lines are their own bonuses," which doesn't say everything you want it to say, how about:
"Train line bonuses are independent of region bonuses."

[come get me]

im an aussie but after lookin at the map and seeing the subway idea id love to c this map created

[laci_mae]

i think it looks sweet. i was confused about the train stops because they're cutting through the circles, but its understandable if you look closer. maybe move the lines a little?

Personally - I don't think this is an issue - as the lines go behind the army circles...

C.

Right, I can live with it, but if you can do something minor to improve clarity I'm all for it.

Instead of "train lines are their own bonuses," which doesn't say everything you want it to say, how about:
"Train line bonuses are independent of region bonuses."

I think its obvious that if you hold all blue stops you get 7 bonus armies (or whatever the specifics are). Therefore, I think this line could be changed to indicate that some territories are members of 2 bonus regions. See the Space map for an example.

Best,
Laci

[gimil]

Ok so theres been no major graphical issues since the last update.

[gdeangel]

Regarding adding value to the airports...

The airports are not particularly, um, "New York City" either. Part of our map's focus came from a very native perspective. Hence the inclusion of the trains.

As a New Yorker, public transit is an integral part of our everyday lives. We've lived with the coloring and design of the transit system since we could first walk.

Also, part of the wonder of living here is the diverseness of the city's areas and neighborhoods and we've tried our best to include as many as would fit and would play well. Within each of these terits you see here live a vast tapestry of cultures and dialogues of people from around the world trying to co-exist.

Guys... I hate to point it out, but if public transit is part of your integral life, the AC line (blue) doesn't go to the Bronx... that would probably be a surprise to you because with all that politically correct BS, I'm sure you've never even been to washington heights. If you want to poo poo my airport idea, that's fine, but then don't tell me that every new york landmark is in manhattan. What is the Pan Am terminal at JFK??? NYC is not just a city of gay artists and Columbia hippies. It's the working financial capital of the world, and frankly you aren't doing it justice with your "cultural neighborhood" territories... Those neighborhood designations basically boil down to one thing - how much rent can you afford, or did you score a rent controlled place, so don't assume to tell me about that "hard to explain" sh*t. Yeah, lots of people get around on the subway, so call your map what it is: NYC Underground and get it right.

And if you model the gameplay, your island bonus is only going to be usefull based on random territory draws in 4+ multiplayer games. Not that it's a problem, but don't tell me I don't know what is "New York" and then go put Randall's Island on there which maybe 10% of the New York population even could find on a map.

[rustlemania]

you're a dick, dude....

and you're wrong on so many different levels.

[gimil]

Take it easy guys, you dont want me getting bitchy tonight do you?

[benny profane]

[mod action]Regardless of who started this argument, im finishing it. Post has been deleted with content sent to the poster.


have a good one
gimil
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[benny profane]

Take it easy guys, you dont want me getting bitchy tonight do you?

gimil, i just saw this, and i apologize.
but his post was unacceptable.

btw, many thanks for the stamp.

[gimil]

Take it easy guys, you dont want me getting bitchy tonight do you?

gimil, i just saw this, and i apologize.
but his post was unacceptable.

btw, many thanks for the stamp.

You post was all flame, i deleted it and sent you the content. If this escelates any further i wont be a happy bunny.

[InkL0sed]

don't tell me I don't know what is "New York"

The country I come from they call the Midwest

[benny profane]

Take it easy guys, you dont want me getting bitchy tonight do you?

gimil, i just saw this, and i apologize.
but his post was unacceptable.

btw, many thanks for the stamp.

You post was all flame, i deleted it and sent you the content. If this escelates any further i wont be a happy bunny.

in that case, i fail to see the constructive merit in gdeangel's original post, and why it would be left up.

[gimil]

Take it easy guys, you dont want me getting bitchy tonight do you?

gimil, i just saw this, and i apologize.
but his post was unacceptable.

btw, many thanks for the stamp.

You post was all flame, i deleted it and sent you the content. If this escelates any further i wont be a happy bunny.

in that case, i fail to see the constructive merit in gdeangel's original post, and why it would be left up.

Because it had a small amount of constructive comment. I havent victimised you in all of this thou so dont worry about that

If you want to challenge my decision feel free to PM me. Ill be happy to discuss it wth you

[InkL0sed]

Just ignore it, nobody else agrees with him.

[gdeangel]

Obviously I touched a nerve guys. And also obviously I'm not going to tell you where I live... but since you are so culturally aware, you'll recognize Dylan's lycrics from '64, and from that you might figure out that I don't disparage Columbia hippies or anyone else for that matter, but don't snow me with how you're capturing the "ethnic feel" of the neighborhoods. Where is China Town? Where is Tribecca? Where is NoHo?

Don't assume anything about me buddy... and I've studied your map enough to know it doesn't do justice to New York. If you're hearing stuff you've heard before, it might just be that there's some merit in it. You might be a New Yorker, but I find it hard to believe you were born and raised there with such thin skin.

[rustlemania]

where do you get off being so pompous?
does the Africa map do justice to Africa? does the middle east map do justice to the middle east? does the classic map do justice to the world?
NO.
but this a darn good representation of New York in a board game style map. it's also creative, well thought-out, and looks like it'll be fun to play.
so if you don't like this one representation, why don't you get off your high horse and make a map yourself? you sound like a yuppie, so maybe yours should be focused on the financial district.

i think you guys should keep the borders to the unplayable lands as light as possible. it won't look good any thicker. to further address the station bonus sentence, i still like: "rail line and region bonuses are separate."

[gimil]

Guys again, be careful not to go OTT with the aggressive discussion. If this goes to flame again ill open a can of whoop ass and start handing out that official stuff

calm down and ill keep out your inbox. deal?

[benny profane]

yes, yes, someone is in need of a good trouncing.

but, back to the real reason we're all here...

Right, I can live with it, but if you can do something minor to improve clarity I'm all for it.

Instead of "train lines are their own bonuses," which doesn't say everything you want it to say, how about:
"Train line bonuses are independent of region bonuses."

you're right, that sentence in the legend needs changing. yours or rustlemania's suggestions are the best going...it will probably be a mix of the two.

as for cleaning up the train lines, it will take a bit of tweaking, but it's on the to-do list.

I think its obvious that if you hold all blue stops you get 7 bonus armies (or whatever the specifics are). Therefore, I think this line could be changed to indicate that some territories are members of 2 bonus regions. See the Space map for an example.

i'm not sure i understand you. if you think trains contribute to region bonuses, that's not the case. and that's why the sentence needs to make that clear.
on the other hand, if you're simply referring to the transfer stations, we've been led (by most feedback in this thread) to believe that players intuitively grasp the notion of the transfer stations.
for example, the Midtown station is needed for both the F train, and the 6 train bonus. but, we think the colors of the station border sufficiently indicate that.
kindly clarify...

[snapdoodle]

Guys... I hate to point it out, but if public transit is part of your integral life, the AC line (blue) doesn't go to the Bronx... that would probably be a surprise to you because with all that politically correct BS, I'm sure you've never even been to washington heights. If you want to poo poo my airport idea, that's fine, but then don't tell me that every new york landmark is in manhattan. What is the Pan Am terminal at JFK??? NYC is not just a city of gay artists and Columbia hippies. It's the working financial capital of the world, and frankly you aren't doing it justice with your "cultural neighborhood" territories... Those neighborhood designations basically boil down to one thing - how much rent can you afford, or did you score a rent controlled place, so don't assume to tell me about that "hard to explain" sh*t. Yeah, lots of people get around on the subway, so call your map what it is: NYC Underground and get it right.

And if you model the gameplay, your island bonus is only going to be useful based on random territory draws in 4+ multiplayer games. Not that it's a problem, but don't tell me I don't know what is "New York" and then go put Randall's Island on there which maybe 10% of the New York population even could find on a map.

My response to your post was cordial and this is the response?

Then you make a comment about the thickness of our skin and assert what you believe to be our personal histories? Then you have the gall to tell *us* not to assume anything about *you*?

Grow up. This is a map for a game of risk. We don't like your ideas because they are BAD and if Gimil says there's some constructive suggestion within it might be about the island bonuses.

The island bonuses are integral to the value of manhattan. They add to manhattan while being separate from it. They were created in direct response to two points made earlier in this thread. I suggest, if you're really interested and I think you are, go read up. No one likes an uninformed critic.

You assert that the way we've divided our territories is wrong and you just didn't like the answer I gave you. So you shot back with some hyper sensitive response and started ranting about the rent control, the neighborhoods you believe we travel, and where you think we were born and raised. Perhaps you just really wanted to be involved. Would it soothe things over if I coddled your inane suggestions? Maybe it's not us with the thin skin.

[benny profane]

"Laci Mae"

(sung to the popular tune of "Maggie Mae" by the Beatles)

"Ooooh pretty Laci Mae
you have blown our steam away
now we'll never make it to the final forge.

The comment you left confounds us
while our enemies they surround us,
oh please don't keep us waiting Laci Mae.

We are bound by the foundry way
to address all that you say
so please don't keep us waiting Laci Mae."

[benny profane]

small map v.15?


large map v.15


hey folks...seems it's only snap and myself rambling in here.
so....
done:
-changed sentence in legend about stations and territories
-made jersey border line slightly thicker and grey

as far as moving train lines out from under army circles...
most are in agreement that it's unnecessary.
but, when we've got some more free time, and maybe after the thread gets moved, we'll get to work on that.
as it's not a priority, we have to put it on the shelf for a bit.

what's next, what's the score?
any concerns, questions?

LATERZ

[InkL0sed]

I refuse to comment until this goes to Final Forge

my way of saying it looks great...

[Guiscard]

Can't see why this shouldn't be moved now. Looking great. As for the train line army circle thing, I don't think that's an issue. The only thing that bugs me a little is that they don't connect with the station circles in the 'middle' of the circle sometimes. I think it would look neater if, were the lines to continue 'through' the station circle then they'd pass through the exact centre. Understand my meaning? Only a minor point, though. A good example of what I mean is the blue line going from DUMBO to The Village. That's centred as it leaves DUMBO.

[benny profane]

WOOOHOOOOO!!!
we're finally getting some real snow!!!

The only thing that bugs me a little is that they don't connect with the station circles in the 'middle' of the circle sometimes. I think it would look neater if, were the lines to continue 'through' the station circle then they'd pass through the exact centre. Understand my meaning? Only a minor point, though. A good example of what I mean is the blue line going from DUMBO to The Village. That's centred as it leaves DUMBO.

i know exactly what you mean. i agree, it would make it look tidier.
maybe we can fix that up tonight.

[InkL0sed]

WOOOHOOOOO!!!
we're finally getting some real snow!!!

I'm already on vacation... whenever we get a snowstorm, it's when we can't have a snow day...

My Mom, on the other hand, does get a snow day (she teaches at a private school).

Just a thought on the bonuses. I think Manhattan should be 11. Just so it's more than the Bronx, since it looks slightly harder to hold, considering it's position in the map. Bronx borders 2 super-continents, and Manhattan all of them.