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IcePack wrote:I've always been against the concede button. The only instance where I go from against to neutral is trench games. But even then it's not something I really like the idea of
BrutalBob wrote:+1IcePack wrote:I've always been against the concede button. The only instance where I go from against to neutral is trench games. But even then it's not something I really like the idea of
With respect, you have only played 9 speed trench games so the tedium of playing t out may not really affect you.
Silly Knig-it wrote:If the losing player cares at all about other people they will pay attention and play it out. It doesn't take long to hit deploy, end, end.
.IcePack wrote:I've always been against the concede button. The only instance where I go from against to neutral is trench games. But even then it's not something I really like the idea of
Donelladan wrote:Silly Knig-it wrote:If the losing player cares at all about other people they will pay attention and play it out. It doesn't take long to hit deploy, end, end.
I am not speaking about an hypothetic ideal world. I am speaking about reality here. I've said it in my first post. Deadbeating trench speed game is the norm for regular trench speed players.
This is an issue. We should do something about it. And it's getting worse.
And no the losing player doesn't care most of the time. Lot of speed players aren't nice at all. But this isn't what we should be talking about. We are not going to be able to change that.IcePack wrote:I've always been against the concede button. The only instance where I go from against to neutral is trench games. But even then it's not something I really like the idea of
Why ?
In trench game we know when it's over and there is absolutely no point playing the game when it's over.
Try following : feudal epic poly (4) trench game - USA 2.1 poly(4) trench game. Those are quite terrible to deadbeat and took a lot of times to finish if you don't deadbeat them anyway
But sames goes for 1vs1 feudal epic trench game ( we are speaking of 23k speed games with those setting, so it's a relatively common game). The map is big, and it can take more than 10 turns to finish it. Yeah 10 turns aren't that long. But it's 10 turns for nothing. And when you play this map a lot it's quite boring to have to do that every fucking time you play the map.
This is true for speed, in which people deadbeat, and it's annoying for one of them. ( the one that stay).
But it's also true for 24h games, in which people don't deadbeat, but it's equally annoying to have to finish those game.
I believe you don't get it ( I see you only have a silver trench medal ) so just believe us - the trench players - we need it.
But give me a reason why in a 1vs1 game we shouldn't have a concede button ?
clangfield wrote:Because there are some pathetic people who will set up 1v1 games against their multi account, concede as soon as is permissible, and gain themselves "vital" points. Unfortunately it's the abuse of it that rules it out.
Donelladan wrote:.IcePack wrote:I've always been against the concede button. The only instance where I go from against to neutral is trench games. But even then it's not something I really like the idea of
Why ?
In trench game we know when it's over and there is absolutely no point playing the game when it's over.
Try following : feudal epic poly (4) trench game - USA 2.1 poly(4) trench game. Those are quite terrible to deadbeat and took a lot of times to finish if you don't deadbeat them anyway
But sames goes for 1vs1 feudal epic trench game ( we are speaking of 23k speed games with those setting, so it's a relatively common game). The map is big, and it can take more than 10 turns to finish it. Yeah 10 turns aren't that long. But it's 10 turns for nothing. And when you play this map a lot it's quite boring to have to do that every fucking time you play the map.
This is true for speed, in which people deadbeat, and it's annoying for one of them. ( the one that stay).
But it's also true for 24h games, in which people don't deadbeat, but it's equally annoying to have to finish those game.
I believe you don't get it ( I see you only have a silver trench medal ) so just believe us - the trench players - we need it.
But give me a reason why in a 1vs1 game we shouldn't have a concede button ?
Is it people will simply click the button and give up the game rather than trying ? Already the case in trench speed. I can give you tons of example of people deadbeating very early, sometimes even before round 4 ( concede button should be available by round 4 only in my suggestion ).
Somebody being able to quit and take that emotion and excitement away would literally defeat the point of my playing the game. It takes the fun completely out of it.
Sorry, but I'm here to have fun and this type of thing takes away the fun factor for me. that is the biggest reason why I always say no, will continue to say no, and have said no in the past.
And the attitude of "you dont know what you are talking about because you only have silver in trench medal" is BS.
BrutalBob wrote:To my mind the general consensus of people that I have played speed games against (an my own opinion) is that deadbeating a speed game is fine.
If thats the way most people want to play the game, then why not let them. Simple.
(@Ice) Saying that this would be destroying your theoretical enjoyment of the game should you ever decide to play one is not really an argument.
Deadbeating is what is happening now. Having the concede would tidy a few things up like-
1. Currently someone says will db but if you dont know them then you might have to hang around to make sure they do in fact db. With a concede button you could be sure they are not going come back and start playing after two missed turns and knife you. (And the answer to this is not that they shouldnt be deadbeating- everyone is doing it).
2. Speed games are designed for speedy play. This game is over, bang, lets just move on to the next one. Thats the idea of speed.
Donelladan wrote:Somebody being able to quit and take that emotion and excitement away would literally defeat the point of my playing the game. It takes the fun completely out of it.
This is already happening. My suggestion does not allow you to quit and take that emotion and excitement away. People can already do that, then only need to start to deadbeat.
This is the real issue at hand here. It is already accepted by more or less everyone involved in the speed trench community that when the game is lost one can start to deadbeat. The thing you don't want, people quitting, is happening all the time. The fun is already being taken out.
The problem is, because it became such a common thing to deadbeat - some start to deadbeat no-trench speed game as well, or deadbeat trench game even though it would be faster to actually play out the game. It is getting worse.
I am not creating a problem. I am trying to fix one. The problem is already here. We need to fix that problem.Sorry, but I'm here to have fun and this type of thing takes away the fun factor for me. that is the biggest reason why I always say no, will continue to say no, and have said no in the past.
And the attitude of "you dont know what you are talking about because you only have silver in trench medal" is BS.
See, you aren't playing this setting because people deadbeat them.
Meaning, first, fun is already not here, already a problem. Second, you aren't playing those setting, therefore a concede button for trench game only wouldn't be taking the fun out of the game for you.
I am assuming between 90 to 100% of the regular speed trench players are agreeing with my suggestion ( based on the fact that the same amount is deadbeating regularly).
But I hear what you say, and I can agree with you, this concede button is not necessary in no-trench game. I actually made the suggestion because I am seeing more and more people deadbeating no-trench speed game and this is taking the fun out of it for me. Therefore I'll edit my first post to make it trench only.
PS : I've talked to this previous suggestion mod about making a new topic about it. He told me to go ahead with it, that he would push it with developer if I was able to gather support. It was few months ago and I believe this mod now stepped down and I don't know about the new suggestion mod.
IcePack wrote:Don,
Again, "this is already happening" is not an excuse to continue breaking the rules or that it should be allowed or condoned. if anything, it should be better enforced so that people dont deadbeat and quit the game! As I stated above, just because "its accepted more or less" to deadbeat, doesn't mean its right. Guess what, the admin have stated multiple times that its STILL against the rules and if you do it to much / someone calls you out on it, its still considered intentional deadbeating. Fixing the problem should not be by encouraging people to quit more games / sooner. It just creates a new problem in exchange for a different problem.
Donelladan wrote:Enforce the rule, actually make it that people deadbeating speed trench are punished : you would just kill the setting.
Which problem does it create ? - You totally fail to show it would create problem.
The only problem you spoke about, is that it would take the enjoyment out of the game for you.
But you don't play the setting, so how is that a problem ?
And for god's sake there is not a single speed trench player that think deadbeating is forbidden. See that's why I told you you don't have the experience so you don't get it. That wasn't bs.
You don't want a concede button for you. But you don't play that setting. You won't have the damned button. Let us have it.
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Seriously, care to explain ? You've played 9 speed trench. Lost 6 of them, managed to deadbeat 2 of that.
Didn't you think that's that spanish trench armada poly (2) game was lost, and that there was no fun neither for you nor for your opponent anymore ? Well, because if it's the case I think you were right.
- bottom line : I am still looking for why a concede button only for 1vs1 ( and poly) and only for trench game would create any problem.
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