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agentcom wrote:If the choice (for ease of administration) was between stripped of all relevant medals or they status quo, I would vote for stripped of all medals and a point reset.
Don't let these guys buy back to their old level. As has been noted, this is far too light of a punishment. I would definitely support this for all multi accounts. There is no legitimate reason to have multis: Either you're gaming the system to gain points or you're playing games you want to without risking your points. For this, you should get a full point reset and stripped of all game medals.
The question will be harder with farming/ranching cases, especially as rules develop. Does someone who falls afoul of the "unwritten rules" of abuse of the system deserve to be stripped of their medals? Your answer to this will correlate to what you think is farming and how big of a problem it is.
For flaming/baiting/bigotry, etc. abuse, maybe strip them of the less important but related medals of Ratings and General Contributions or Achievements. That's an appropriately mild punishment, I think.
For Freestyle turn abuse, maybe no points reset (or maybe still have that), but stripped of freestyle and team medals only. I don't know about the other settings.
Just some thoughts I have. Oh, I'll put one more out there. I don't like adding much discretion to the C&A mods ruling abilities (causes too much confusion/animosity already), but there is a case to be made for allowing this as an instrument of discretionary punishment. Perhaps the true farmer, who is sending PMs to ?s and schooling them gets the point reset, ban/buyback option AND the medal stripping; whereas, someone who just set up a high percentage of games that happen to be joined by ?s gets some combination, but not all, of the above.
deathcomesrippin wrote:I like the idea of stripping medals, I like the clarification. I think for the offences like multis it should be as people say, point reset and stripped of premium. I do think they should be allowed to buy back in once (as it is now) if they like. Good players will get the points back from 1k anyhow, and I think that medals should be stripped to the point of the earliest multi created. This would then give them the "honest" medals and not totally discount everything they might have earned through regular play. A quick search of the dates joined by the multis and the medals earned dates would allow you to figure it out rather quick. Also, if a medal is earned in a tourney that your multi is not a part of, I think you should be able to keep it. That's just me though.
Symmetry wrote:deathcomesrippin wrote:I like the idea of stripping medals, I like the clarification. I think for the offences like multis it should be as people say, point reset and stripped of premium. I do think they should be allowed to buy back in once (as it is now) if they like. Good players will get the points back from 1k anyhow, and I think that medals should be stripped to the point of the earliest multi created. This would then give them the "honest" medals and not totally discount everything they might have earned through regular play. A quick search of the dates joined by the multis and the medals earned dates would allow you to figure it out rather quick. Also, if a medal is earned in a tourney that your multi is not a part of, I think you should be able to keep it. That's just me though.
That seems fair and presumably implementable. A decent compromise- keep what they earned fairly, let them earn the others back again on fair terms if they can.
betiko wrote:Symmetry wrote:deathcomesrippin wrote:I like the idea of stripping medals, I like the clarification. I think for the offences like multis it should be as people say, point reset and stripped of premium. I do think they should be allowed to buy back in once (as it is now) if they like. Good players will get the points back from 1k anyhow, and I think that medals should be stripped to the point of the earliest multi created. This would then give them the "honest" medals and not totally discount everything they might have earned through regular play. A quick search of the dates joined by the multis and the medals earned dates would allow you to figure it out rather quick. Also, if a medal is earned in a tourney that your multi is not a part of, I think you should be able to keep it. That's just me though.
That seems fair and presumably implementable. A decent compromise- keep what they earned fairly, let them earn the others back again on fair terms if they can.
so if someone got fairly to 380 unique kills
Symmetry wrote:deathcomesrippin wrote:I like the idea of stripping medals, I like the clarification. I think for the offences like multis it should be as people say, point reset and stripped of premium. I do think they should be allowed to buy back in once (as it is now) if they like. Good players will get the points back from 1k anyhow, and I think that medals should be stripped to the point of the earliest multi created. This would then give them the "honest" medals and not totally discount everything they might have earned through regular play. A quick search of the dates joined by the multis and the medals earned dates would allow you to figure it out rather quick. Also, if a medal is earned in a tourney that your multi is not a part of, I think you should be able to keep it. That's just me though.
That seems fair and presumably implementable. A decent compromise- keep what they earned fairly, let them earn the others back again on fair terms if they can.
Symmetry wrote:betiko wrote:Symmetry wrote:deathcomesrippin wrote:I like the idea of stripping medals, I like the clarification. I think for the offences like multis it should be as people say, point reset and stripped of premium. I do think they should be allowed to buy back in once (as it is now) if they like. Good players will get the points back from 1k anyhow, and I think that medals should be stripped to the point of the earliest multi created. This would then give them the "honest" medals and not totally discount everything they might have earned through regular play. A quick search of the dates joined by the multis and the medals earned dates would allow you to figure it out rather quick. Also, if a medal is earned in a tourney that your multi is not a part of, I think you should be able to keep it. That's just me though.
That seems fair and presumably implementable. A decent compromise- keep what they earned fairly, let them earn the others back again on fair terms if they can.
so if someone got fairly to 380 unique kills
Sorry, I stopped at the part that marked you out as batshit insane. "Unique kills?", seriously?
How's the woman suit coming along? I've heard putting lotion on its skin helps.
agentcom wrote:Umm ... they're called "unique kills." That's what medals are awarded for. It's not something he made up.
deathcomesrippin wrote:This suggestion should be implemented.
Symmetry wrote:agentcom wrote:Umm ... they're called "unique kills." That's what medals are awarded for. It's not something he made up.
You are incorrect.
Medals page
Symmetry wrote:agentcom wrote:Umm ... they're called "unique kills." That's what medals are awarded for. It's not something he made up.
You are incorrect.
Medals page
agentcom wrote:Symmetry wrote:agentcom wrote:Umm ... they're called "unique kills." That's what medals are awarded for. It's not something he made up.
You are incorrect.
Medals page
Sorry ... "defeats of unique opponents" OR as many of us that play would call it "unique kills."
What's your problem man? You're highjacking your own thread.
Symmetry wrote:agentcom wrote:Symmetry wrote:agentcom wrote:Umm ... they're called "unique kills." That's what medals are awarded for. It's not something he made up.
You are incorrect.
Medals page
Sorry ... "defeats of unique opponents" OR as many of us that play would call it "unique kills."
What's your problem man? You're highjacking your own thread.
Pointing out why an objection is wrong ain't highjacking. Do you have further unreasonable objections, or can we discuss the topic without you getting upset when you are proven wrong?
Symmetry wrote:agentcom wrote:Symmetry wrote:agentcom wrote:Umm ... they're called "unique kills." That's what medals are awarded for. It's not something he made up.
You are incorrect.
Medals page
Sorry ... "defeats of unique opponents" OR as many of us that play would call it "unique kills."
What's your problem man? You're highjacking your own thread.
Pointing out why an objection is wrong ain't highjacking. Do you have further unreasonable objections, or can we discuss the topic without you getting upset when you are proven wrong?
agentcom wrote:Symmetry wrote:agentcom wrote:Symmetry wrote:agentcom wrote:Umm ... they're called "unique kills." That's what medals are awarded for. It's not something he made up.
You are incorrect.
Medals page
Sorry ... "defeats of unique opponents" OR as many of us that play would call it "unique kills."
What's your problem man? You're highjacking your own thread.
Pointing out why an objection is wrong ain't highjacking. Do you have further unreasonable objections, or can we discuss the topic without you getting upset when you are proven wrong?
Dammit Symmetry. I wasn't even making an objection. Unlike you, I've done nothing but contribute ideas to your damn suggestion and now I'm the one who has to keep you from derailing your own suggestion? I think you have me confused with betiko who had a problem with your suggestion. Instead of addressing his objection (which was reasonable even if you don't agree with it), you decided to attack his word choice of "unique kills." But "unique kills" are what players on this site call them. "Unique kills", "unique victories", "defeats of unique opponents": all these things mean the same thing. One of them has the advantage of being shorter. But you can't be bothered by that. You saw someone disagree with you and decided that it was easier to attack his word choice than his argument. And it wasn't even that hard of an argument to address. All you had to say was something like: "I believe multis are a serious problem on this site. I feel that this conduct is not justifiable. It is cheating. As such, it doesn't matter whether you got 1 of your defeats through farming or all of them. In trying to stop multis, we are going to subject all multis to the punishment of medal stripping and a point reset." Or maybe you disagree with that, but you could have put in your own thoughts (though I have a feeling that your feelings are pretty close to the quoted text).
But if you want to start fights with the people who are supporting or at least contributing to your suggestion, then let's see how far this goes. I'll help you get your own thread locked.
Now quit being a jackass and go lay down.
TheForgivenOne wrote:Alright, I am unlocking the thread. Keep the discussions civil.
Symmetry wrote:TheForgivenOne wrote:Alright, I am unlocking the thread. Keep the discussions civil.
Civilly speaking, why didn't you reply to my PM?
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