CC is declining again!

[flexmaster33]

Less than 10,000 active users? Yes, Conquer Club is definitely on the decline and in its current state, highly unlikely to recover.

Who the f*ck are you

Optimus Prime was a key member of Conquer Club in its heyday...deserves much respect for his contributions to the site.

[owenshooter]

Less than 10,000 active users? Yes, Conquer Club is definitely on the decline and in its current state, highly unlikely to recover.

Who the f*ck are you

Optimus Prime was a key member of Conquer Club in its heyday...deserves much respect for his contributions to the site.

*firmly plants face into hands*

[flexmaster33]

Much truth here...something to keep in mind when playing in general...not just against the noobs. Sportsmanship...the lost art.

To answer the original question: yes. It's because it's a clique. This was highlighted in a recent C & A report.
A new player misunderstands a game setting.
He's told he's an idiot (by some).
He says he's young and English isn't his first language.
He's told people don't believe him and he's just a troll playing a hoax (by almost all).
He says he's upset about the personal attacks.
He's told to "suck it up, cupcake" (or words to that effect). There is also a lot of sarcasm which, not being a native English speaker, would be hard to understand (especially as it's only written).

Is that the sort of approach that's going to encourage a new player to stay?

Yes, he used a lot of bad language in game chat, and has rightly been warned for it. The evidence of whether or not he is young and Spanish could be read either way; there really is no way of knowing, although speaking to him in the chat room made me inclined to believe him. It would be an unbelievably complex hoax if it were such, way beyond most if not all of the brains here

But the salient point is that if novice and naive users can be treated that way - especially if they are genuinely young and distressed - what incentive is there for them?

I'm sure the guide scheme will help, but I suspect treating people with disdain because they're not one of "us" is going to be a continuing barrier.
Maybe a little more tolerance to newcomers would encourage them to hang around.

[flexmaster33]

You're never going to agree with another human being across the board...he did a lot in the tourney community during his active time on the site.

[clangfield]

To answer the original question: yes. It's because it's a clique. This was highlighted in a recent C & A report.
A new player misunderstands a game setting.
He's told he's an idiot (by some).
He says he's young and English isn't his first language.
He's told people don't believe him and he's just a troll playing a hoax (by almost all).
He says he's upset about the personal attacks.
He's told to "suck it up, cupcake" (or words to that effect). There is also a lot of sarcasm which, not being a native English speaker, would be hard to understand (especially as it's only written).

Is that the sort of approach that's going to encourage a new player to stay?

Yes, he used a lot of bad language in game chat, and has rightly been warned for it. The evidence of whether or not he is young and Spanish could be read either way; there really is no way of knowing, although speaking to him in the chat room made me inclined to believe him. It would be an unbelievably complex hoax if it were such, way beyond most if not all of the brains here

But the salient point is that if novice and naive users can be treated that way - especially if they are genuinely young and distressed - what incentive is there for them?

I'm sure the guide scheme will help, but I suspect treating people with disdain because they're not one of "us" is going to be a continuing barrier.
Maybe a little more tolerance to newcomers would encourage them to hang around.

BA HA HA HA!!! i invite anyone to go read that thread and come out with the same conclusion you have. i really find it amusing that you have been so affected by that C&A thread that you brought it into here... i'm sorry, but you can't tell people to f*ck off and call them homosexual slurs, without being provoked in game chat, and then cry wolf in C&A. he sent pm's full of bigoted hatred and more than enough profanity!!! you can not present this case as a sign of CC declining. ridiculous. here is the thread that is being used as a reason for the decline. again, BA HA HA HA... THE BLACK JESUS HAS BEEN AMUSED...-Jésus noir

Subject: nice scott - hacker, cheat and abuse

Accused:

nice scott

The accused are suspected of:

Other: he cheateded and hackeded in my game i play with him and he uaed bad words against my personality. i am very concerned thuis person is doing the same to other good players but are unoticed of his behavour. this needs to be a priority consern for the learders of this site.



Game number(s):

Game 15192854

Comments: he addmiteded it ion my page for the proofs of his actions here https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/membe ... 02655#wall (he writeded "Yes, I hacked in, cheated and called you bad names. But would you please stop publicly telling everyone? I kind of want to keep it a secret.")

thank you for the help in punishing him

I was expecting Owens to stick his hooter in.
The example you post is of the sarcasm that he misunderstood - hence my deduction that English is not his first language. It can also been seen as an example of picking on someone who may be vulnerable.
As I said, I do not have enough empirical evidence to be 100% convinced either way, and I acknowledge his bad behaviour; but is precisely this sort of reaction to which I refer. Maybe most of the time it is someone mucking about, who knows; but for those times when it isn't, you risk losing a potential member.
If I were so inclined, I could take umbrage at your reaction to me, and disappear. You would probably respond with something along the lines of "don't need him anyway" or "better off without him"...and so, your ego misplaces the blame, and CC declines further.

[owenshooter]

Much truth here...something to keep in mind when playing in general...not just against the noobs. Sportsmanship...the lost art.

actually, there is very little truth. he was bigoted and offensive, did not listen when multiple users tried to help him. accused others of hacking his account. posted homophobic and profane comments in game chat and in pm's to members for absolutely no reason, other than he lost to them. when someone dared to respond to him, in a non profane manner, he lost his mind and went straight to C&A... there is no truth here... jump into a guide game and see how those go... people say hello to new members, and when/if they do respond, the exchange is great and a few continue to stick around for more than a turn or a game. please provide me with statistics and not one users mis-read of an entire C&A thread, before you go and declare that sportsmanship is dead on CC...-Jésus noir

i got duped.

[Dukasaur]

To answer the original question: yes. It's because it's a clique. This was highlighted in a recent C & A report.
A new player misunderstands a game setting.
He's told he's an idiot (by some).
He says he's young and English isn't his first language.
He's told people don't believe him and he's just a troll playing a hoax (by almost all).
He says he's upset about the personal attacks.
He's told to "suck it up, cupcake" (or words to that effect). There is also a lot of sarcasm which, not being a native English speaker, would be hard to understand (especially as it's only written).

Is that the sort of approach that's going to encourage a new player to stay?

Yes, he used a lot of bad language in game chat, and has rightly been warned for it. The evidence of whether or not he is young and Spanish could be read either way; there really is no way of knowing, although speaking to him in the chat room made me inclined to believe him. It would be an unbelievably complex hoax if it were such, way beyond most if not all of the brains here

But the salient point is that if novice and naive users can be treated that way - especially if they are genuinely young and distressed - what incentive is there for them?

I'm sure the guide scheme will help, but I suspect treating people with disdain because they're not one of "us" is going to be a continuing barrier.
Maybe a little more tolerance to newcomers would encourage them to hang around.

BA HA HA HA!!! i invite anyone to go read that thread and come out with the same conclusion you have. i really find it amusing that you have been so affected by that C&A thread that you brought it into here... i'm sorry, but you can't tell people to f*ck off and call them homosexual slurs, without being provoked in game chat, and then cry wolf in C&A. he sent pm's full of bigoted hatred and more than enough profanity!!! you can not present this case as a sign of CC declining. ridiculous. here is the thread that is being used as a reason for the decline. again, BA HA HA HA... THE BLACK JESUS HAS BEEN AMUSED...-Jésus noir

Subject: nice scott - hacker, cheat and abuse

Accused:

nice scott

The accused are suspected of:

Other: he cheateded and hackeded in my game i play with him and he uaed bad words against my personality. i am very concerned thuis person is doing the same to other good players but are unoticed of his behavour. this needs to be a priority consern for the learders of this site.



Game number(s):

Game 15192854

Comments: he addmiteded it ion my page for the proofs of his actions here https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/membe ... 02655#wall (he writeded "Yes, I hacked in, cheated and called you bad names. But would you please stop publicly telling everyone? I kind of want to keep it a secret.")

thank you for the help in punishing him

Not too often I find myself in total agreement with owen, but here he speaks the truth.

I don't for a minute believe that Darkest Mangiest actually misunderstands English. Sometimes his English is perfectly clear; other times it is horrendously tortured. In no case is there any consistent pattern. People who really do struggle with English generally mis-spell the same words or mis-use the same parts of speech. This guy has no consistent pattern. He says one thing with perfect lucidity, then says the next thing as if two dogs were fighting on his keyboard. It all spells fake.

But hell, someone wants to be a fake foreigner, so be it. I'm all in favour of letting people amuse themselves by pretending to be whoever they want to be. You want to pretend to be the Crown Prince of Liechtenstein or Betty White's bodyguard? Be my guest! But this guy's main focus wasn't role-playing a foreigner. His main focus was launching into offensive diatribes against others, sometimes with minor provocation but other times with no provocation at all.

Here's just one typical example:

2014-12-30 16:28:07 - Edric Wolfswift: gl
2014-12-30 16:34:01 - DarkestManager: f*ck off

There's no way that the justified thrashing this guy got in the forum represents any kind of cliqueism or prejudice.

[Keefie]

Clangfield, please do not use that as an example you were duped by a Troll.

[clangfield]

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i got duped.

As Judge Judy often points out, forgery of evidence only undermines your case.
I would never write this with a lower case "I".

[clangfield]

Clangfield, please do not use that as an example you were duped by a Troll.

You may draw your own inferences from what you saw. I would only say two things:
1) Neither of us has any proof
2) I spoke to him in the chat room. I therefore have more to go on than others who are commenting.

However the response to the original issue and this one pretty much reinforces my point about the closed-minded clique nature of the site.

I look forward to reading your evidence for how this approach encourages new members (or potential recruits) to remain.

[Keefie]

Clangfield, please do not use that as an example you were duped by a Troll.

You may draw your own inferences from what you saw. I would only say two things:
1) Neither of us has any proof
2) I spoke to him in the chat room. I therefore have more to go on than others who are commenting.

However the response to the original issue and this one pretty much reinforces my point about the closed-minded clique nature of the site.

I look forward to reading your evidence for how this approach encourages new members (or potential recruits) to remain.

I can assure you that I'm neither part of any clique on this site nor have a closed minded view.

The guy you are defending made unprovoked attacks against nearly everyone he played using bigoted language in the process. We really don't want or need people like that here.

[owenshooter]

The guy you are defending made unprovoked attacks against nearly everyone he played using bigoted language in the process. We really don't want or need people like that here.

i don't understand how he can't see this for what it is...-Jésus noir

[clangfield]

Clangfield, please do not use that as an example you were duped by a Troll.

Maybe. Maybe not. Only he knows: the rest is opinions, none more valid than another. I can only repeat that I spoke to him in the chat room, and base my opinions on that.
If he is a troll, and I have been duped, well done to him, I can live with it.
I'm not sure how I would feel though if he is not a troll, and I had caused grief to an already stressed and vulnerable 13 year old (who perhaps has used bad language as a way to lash out).
On balance I am content with my approach, and feel it has more chance of retaining future potential members than looking at it the other way and condemning with opinions. As they say, it is better that a hundred guilty men go free than one innocent one be convicted.
However, I suspect views are entrenched now and opinions will not change, so let's leave that avenue there and return to the subject.

How do you propose to retain potential new members?
Rather than just point-free guide games, how about making a new recruit's first point-scoring game a team game by invitation from an experienced officer?

[_sabotage_]

If he is a real 13 whatever, then he better expect to get his ass handed to him if he goes around provoking and accusing people out of nowhere.

And if he's a troll, he's doing it to have his ass handed him.

But up to you.

[clangfield]

If he is a real 13 whatever, then he better expect to get his ass handed to him if he goes around provoking and accusing people out of nowhere.

And if he's a troll, he's doing it to have his ass handed him.

But up to you.

Not perhaps out of nowhere, more out of ignorance and naivety.

[_sabotage_]

He told the gay fish joke from South Park. I suppose this 13 year old Spanish kid is using it as a language learning tool.

[Edric Wolfswift]

The evidence of whether or not he is young and Spanish could be read either way; there really is no way of knowing

He told you he was Spanish and told another player he was Irish. I wish I had your level of trust, but I have seen far too many cheaters, multis, and deadbeats lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTtibiaN4mU

[clangfield]

The evidence of whether or not he is young and Spanish could be read either way; there really is no way of knowing

He told you he was Spanish and told another player he was Irish. I wish I had your level of trust, but I have seen far too many cheaters, multis, and deadbeats lately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTtibiaN4mU

I'd allow some linguistic licence (given the apparent lack of linguistic skills) and see it as attempt to bond from someone feeling rather displaced. I read it as Irish by location rather than nationality.
Part of the trust is based on the thought that I can't see anyone really going to these lengths to perpetrate a hoax. Why? So they can get away with a daft accusation (which is not the first, and probably won't be the last) or get let off for swearing in chat (which is allowed anyway)? Why go to the bother of a chat room session?
Yes there are far too many miscreants. I don't see what there is to gain from this though.

[WILLIAMS5232]

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[owenshooter]

i am on a personal crusade, derailing this thread and beating a dead horse. i can not accept that i was duped and am the only person on the entirety of CC that believes this person was wronged in ways that need to be corrected.

it's ok... insomnia red duped a lot more people than you... and back to the thread at hand, we are about to fall under 10K again...-Jésus noir

[Donelladan]

Clangfield, please do not use that as an example you were duped by a Troll.

You may draw your own inferences from what you saw. I would only say two things:
1) Neither of us has any proof
2) I spoke to him in the chat room. I therefore have more to go on than others who are commenting.

However the response to the original issue and this one pretty much reinforces my point about the closed-minded clique nature of the site.

I look forward to reading your evidence for how this approach encourages new members (or potential recruits) to remain.

I think clangfield made a point here.
It doesn't matter if this guy was a troll or not.
What if he wasn't a troll ?
How would the community respond to a newcomer making spurious and stupid C and A report ? Should we help him or should we attack him ?

I actually do not believe the forum has a real incidence on the number of people playing on CC. I believe 90% of people playing here don't care about the forum. Therefore I don't think people from the forum being total asshole ( if it was the case ) is really having an impact. But still, clangfield is right saying that we shouldn't gang up on new poster but have an helpful approach.

[clangfield]

i am on a personal crusade, derailing this thread and beating a dead horse. i can not accept that i was duped and am the only person on the entirety of CC that believes this person was wronged in ways that need to be corrected.

it's ok... insomnia red duped a lot more people than you... and back to the thread at hand, we are about to fall under 10K again...-Jésus noir

This forgery really isn't helping, and makes it hard(er) to believe anything you ever quote.
I think you're spending so much time reading C&A that you see everyone as a cheat....
In the absence of any concrete evidence either way, I suggest you let it rest.

[owenshooter]

*beating a dead horse... still*

i suggest anyone that hasn't already seen the thread in question, go check it out... however, since all the regular forum goers are pretty much in this thread, i suspect most if not all 1% of the forum goers have seen it:

Subject: nice scott - hacker, cheat and abuse

apparently, this is the reason for the Great Decline. Clang-bomb has even gone as far as to post a Suggestion to alleviate this overwhelming situation. he now wants new users to run their forum posts past a "forum guide"... i find it amusing that someone so easily duped in the forums, is now suggesting that he is the best person suited to help people in the forums... *eyes rolling right out of my black jesus skull:

Subject: Run first few forum posts past a guide

Concise description:

[*]As part of the guide program for new players, encourage them to run their first few posts past their guide before posting

yes, past CC regimes attempted a genocide on the forums, but we are still here alive and kicking... i don't think new users coming to the forums is quite as big an issue as you think it is... you have latched onto one TROLL that duped you and turned it into a crusade... thanks for the amusement, but you are now Don Quixote... i suggest you apply for a name change...-Jésus noir

[clangfield]

*beating a dead horse... still*

i suggest anyone that hasn't already seen the thread in question, go check it out... however, since all the regular forum goers are pretty much in this thread, i suspect most if not all 1% of the forum goers have seen it:

Subject: nice scott - hacker, cheat and abuse

apparently, this is the reason for the Great Decline. Clang-bomb has even gone as far as to post a Suggestion to alleviate this overwhelming situation. he now wants new users to run their forum posts past a "forum guide"... i find it amusing that someone so easily duped in the forums, is now suggesting that he is the best person suited to help people in the forums... *eyes rolling right out of my black jesus skull:

Subject: Run first few forum posts past a guide

Concise description:

[*]As part of the guide program for new players, encourage them to run their first few posts past their guide before posting

yes, past CC regimes attempted a genocide on the forums, but we are still here alive and kicking... i don't think new users coming to the forums is quite as big an issue as you think it is... you have latched onto one TROLL that duped you and turned it into a crusade... thanks for the amusement, but you are now Don Quixote... i suggest you apply for a name change...-Jésus noir

Sigh. Let it go.

I'm not saying it's a big issue, just an idea that may help.

[owenshooter]

yes... i am beginning to see your point...-Jésus noir