Round Limits Aren't Fun

[iAmCaffeine]

In fact, they're the complete opposite of fun. They fucking suck. Nearly every single multiplayer game that's not escalating and has a round limit just turns into a game of stacking for 30 rounds. It's even worse in nuclear and zombie games because players just stack a region they own and never card so statistically, they're extremely unlikely to lose their stack. This didn't happen before the implementation of round limits.

It doesn't happen in just regular games, but also in tournament games too. There really isn't much of a competition if the plan is to sit still and wait and take a guess at who wins.

Was the game really that bad without round limits? Has it made such a big difference in the tournament or clan scenes? I'd say no, from my own experience. So many tournaments I play now are just stacking games and it has directly impacted me because now, I don't want to play as many tournies. It's a dying niche already and this will just speed up the process.

The only solution I have is to remove round limits. What do other people think?

[HitRed]

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I'm in a stacking game now. Hate it. Some players had over 1,600 troops and agreed card areas are the only fighting. So I posted "I'm board" and auto assaulted. Stacking kills the fun but I don't want rule after rule either. No stacks over 40 or stuff like that.

This game has no time limit so I can't speak to that. Just Don't like stacking.

[riskllama]

only rnd. limit games i enjoy are 1 vs. 1 on promontory summit, so yeah - maybe it's time to look at getting rid of them...*shrugs*

[Dukasaur]

I agree with you about the problem. I'm just not sure about the solution. Ending round limits would put us back where we started, with tournaments hung up for years because of games that last that long. But it's true that many round limit games turn into pure bullshit, and I would like to do something about it. Just don't know what.

[iAmCaffeine]

I agree with you about the problem. I'm just not sure about the solution. Ending round limits would put us back where we started, with tournaments hung up for years because of games that last that long. But it's true that many round limit games turn into pure bullshit, and I would like to do something about it. Just don't know what.

If the tournament organiser in question has a braincell or three, they can make a tiebreaker game just like people do in casuals.

[Silly Knig-it]

I often get accused of suiciding when the truth is I am playing the game as though it had no round limit. Because with the round limit it is as stated above boring.

So "warning" if we are in a game with a round limit and you are the leader, you ought to remind me that it is a round limit game or I will probably attack to bring the leader back where I can catch him.

Of course, I don't believe in "suicide" anyway. If there is a small (no matter how small) chance that I could win I will attack. This is a War Game. No one considered the 300 Spartans suiciders. The Japanese samarii who would never consider surrender were not considered cowards, even fighting where there was no chance whatsoever. So don't lecture me about suicide, just foe me early.

I would propose getting rid of the 20 round limit (absolutely) and the 30 round limit. The 50 is far enough out there that it will not radically affect the game play until a long while into the game.

Perhaps round limit games could be decided on a random basis where no one knows ahead of time the winning criteria. Maybe it rotates between:
Most troops
Most terts
Most geography (largest land mass held)
least troops
least terts
Avatar with the most vowels in the name
Avatar with the most consonants

If we just had that list, people would not stop playing because they would have no idea who would be the winner.

[HitRed]

I would like to add that players that stack are not total bums. Early in the game they capture a small bonus then become bums.

[Ltrain]

I accidentally joined a round limit flat rate game. It was a re invite of an escalating game with the same players. So I am sitting here, doing nothing, because I have the advantage of moving last. It's a lame setting. I wouldn't join it on purpose. I don't think taking away a feature would sit well though, and im sure there are people that, whatever there character flaw, enjoy that kind of game.

[Trevor33]

Especially when there's only 20 or 30 rounds limit, you can't win those game on large maps by attacking. I'm in a 20 round limit no cards tournament and they're the worse games I've ever been involved in... make the minimum round limit 100 and there's going to be a game.

[iAmCaffeine]

I think removing 20 and 30 round limits would be okay, keep 50s and 100s there for the real long haul players.

[riskllama]

Especially when there's only 20 or 30 rounds limit, you can't win those game on large maps by attacking. I'm in a 20 round limit no cards tournament and they're the worse games I've ever been involved in... make the minimum round limit 100 and there's going to be a game.

excellent idea.

[DoomYoshi]

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Here's a discussion that we had on round limits before. When I was a suggestions mod, I tried under three different admins to change the round limit system to a random win-condition. I failed in all three attempts.

So, there would be a table of victory conditions, like most troops, most territories, most successful attacks, biggest deploy (not counting spoils, in the history of the game), biggest bonus (current, at end of game) and random. At the round limit, instead of always winning with stacks, you might actually lose by stacking.

Round Limits should actually be sent to North Korea. They were supposed to get rid of stacking games and instead they encourage stacking. That makes me so angry. RAWR!

[DoomYoshi]

So turns out Silly stole my idea. That's cool, I can't back it up anymore since the suggestions secret forums are all closed, AFAIK.

People stealing my idea makes me happy. Meow.

[iAmCaffeine]

That would mean it's not in all auto-tournaments and most community tournaments, so I'm all for the change. Just anything that reduces the number of stacking games. Clearly it didn't fix the problem, only made it 100 times worse.

[BabySasuke]

i still like round limits for when players wont resign in trench lol, i think the lower(20-30 round limits) are good for 1v1, but with more players they are useless, cuz its just stack stack stack, but 1v1 it is nice, then with larger games, 50-100 makes more sense

[BrutalBob]

I set 20 round limit in every 1v1 speed game i start because I dont want to get tied down for hours in a speed where I may have to forfeit because I have to leave.

My experience has been that you generally only start stacking at round 16 or so. I see plenty of non round limit games turn into stackathons.

Now instead of forcing your view on people and changing how it works, why dont you just set up games the way you like them and not play the ones you dont.

Its pretty simple

[iAmCaffeine]

I set 20 round limit in every 1v1 speed game i start because I dont want to get tied down for hours in a speed where I may have to forfeit because I have to leave.

My experience has been that you generally only start stacking at round 16 or so. I see plenty of non round limit games turn into stackathons.

Now instead of forcing your view on people and changing how it works, why dont you just set up games the way you like them and not play the ones you dont.

Its pretty simple

Learn to read. The issue is this affects so many tournaments.

[InnyaFacce]

I set 20 round limit in every 1v1 speed game i start because I dont want to get tied down for hours in a speed where I may have to forfeit because I have to leave.

My experience has been that you generally only start stacking at round 16 or so. I see plenty of non round limit games turn into stackathons.

Now instead of forcing your view on people and changing how it works, why dont you just set up games the way you like them and not play the ones you dont.

Its pretty simple

Learn to read. The issue is this affects so many tournaments.

You did not start off talking about Tournaments
You were talking about any games with a Round Limit in the Settings
Then you went to Tournaments and Clan Games

Now instead of forcing your view on people and changing how it works, why dont you just set up games the way you like them and not play the ones you dont.

100 % AGREE - If you do not like the settings used for games or tournaments - then simply do not join them

[iAmCaffeine]

I set 20 round limit in every 1v1 speed game i start because I dont want to get tied down for hours in a speed where I may have to forfeit because I have to leave.

My experience has been that you generally only start stacking at round 16 or so. I see plenty of non round limit games turn into stackathons.

Now instead of forcing your view on people and changing how it works, why dont you just set up games the way you like them and not play the ones you dont.

Its pretty simple

Learn to read. The issue is this affects so many tournaments.

You did not start off talking about Tournaments
You were talking about any games with a Round Limit in the Settings
Then you went to Tournaments and Clan Games

So, since my first post but before BrutalBob posted, I highlighted how this has a negative impact on tournaments? Thank you for clarifying that.

Now instead of forcing your view on people and changing how it works, why dont you just set up games the way you like them and not play the ones you dont.

100 % AGREE - If you do not like the settings used for games or tournaments - then simply do not join them

Nearly all community run tournaments use round limits, and I'm fairly certain every single auto-tournament uses them. Please do some research before disagreeing with something just because I said it.

Can you explain how having a 20 or 30 round limit on flat rate and no spoils games is a benefit?

[DoomYoshi]

It's actually a requirement - all community events must include round limits.

[iAmCaffeine]

It's actually a requirement - all community events must include round limits.

How stupid.

[InnyaFacce]

Can you explain how having a 20 or 30 round limit on flat rate and no spoils games is a benefit?

You are the one with issues regarding Round Limits as a Setting in Game Options
I do NOT have any issues with being able to use or not to use Round Limits in Game Settings
If you do not like the Settings being used - simply do not join the Game or Tournament

It's actually a requirement - all community events must include round limits.

How stupid.

Years of Community Events have been played - you decide to complain now about the Settings being used ?
Why not voice your opinion when it was first implemented ?

[iAmCaffeine]

Can you explain how having a 20 or 30 round limit on flat rate and no spoils games is a benefit?

You are the one with issues regarding Round Limits as a Setting in Game Options
I do NOT have any issues with being able to use or not to use Round Limits in Game Settings
If you do not like the Settings being used - simply do not join the Game or Tournament

As has already been stated in this thread, all auto-tournaments and nearly all community tournaments use round limits. The selection you can join if you avoid round limits is probably less than 10% of community tournaments and 0% of automatic.

It's actually a requirement - all community events must include round limits.

How stupid.

Years of Community Events have been played - you decide to complain now about the Settings being used ?
Why not voice your opinion when it was first implemented ?

So you're asking why I didn't voice my opinion about my dislike of round limits before we'd had a substantial amount of time to play with round limits?

I'm not sure why you're so offended by the fact that I have an opinion but if you have nothing to contribute to the thread, stop posting.

[InnyaFacce]

So you're asking why I didn't voice my opinion about my dislike of round limits before we'd had a substantial amount of time to play with round limits?

I am sure that Round Limits were introduced long before they were added as a Default Setting to Auto Tournaments
What you dislike about Round Limits was also happening before it was made a Default Setting to Auto Tournaments
So yes you did have time to speak up back then but, you chose not to

I'm not sure why you're so offended by the fact that I have an opinion but if you have nothing to contribute to the thread, stop posting.

What makes you think that I am offended ?