HELP ME

[HardAttack]

Okay, let's finnish this.
Admins says : nemapredaje Isn't guilty.
Admins says : IamCaffeine and his company didn't harass nemapredaje

And this all theater is useless

But IamCaffeine, Extreme way and NSS I will watching you all the time and with great pleasure I will report you when you will make tiny mistake.

But you don't need bother with me, because now I can play only 4 games.

EW is a respectable and nice individual most of times as far as i know. Sometimes talks more than needed, should be out of boredom.
Probably there is a missunderstanding in what is/was said...
Reccomend you, do whatever told you to do by admin "KA" and moderators, disregard others...

And poor fellow but normal man king achilles probably dont know what to do then send me warnings to innocent alone guy

KA and a few of his fellows, they know everything and know what to do very well, over anything and everything to regard with CC.
Feed zero doubt over it.

[Elaterate]

Bottom line... he WALLED people... and some joined, some didn't. Fucking stupid that anyone would call this farming.

Actually, that's exactly how farming is done. (Not necessarily the wall part... might be game invites, might be wall posts, might be PMs). If you take a complex map on difficult settings that you have rehearsed many times, your win rate will probably be better than 99%. Even the best players on the site will only be 50/50, because they don't play that map every day like you do. (Using "you" in the sense of the hypothetical scenario, not specifically meaning you the poster.)

But very few of the best players will bother you, because they have their own priorities on the board and don't often join pick-up games.

Most of who will join will be either:

• People who are curious, see the complex map, think "that might be interesting, I'll give it a shot." They know they'll probably lose, but the figure their chances are probably in the 20% range, not in the 1% range. They don't realize it's a well-oiled trap. or,
• People for whom playing games is mainly a social activity, who aren't hard-core competitive but like to play games with other people. They think, "oh this guy wants to play a game, yeah I'd much rather play with someone who take the time to post on my wall than all these other people who never talk at all." Humans are inherently social.

So, if you send out 1000 requests, 800 people will be smart enough to say, 'f*ck off', but 100 will join because they're curious, and another 100 will join because it's the friendly thing to do. That's a couple hundred people each losing 5 or 10 points, for a gain of something between 1000 and 2000 points. And there will probably be a couple in there who will win despite the odds, and you might have to give back 100 or 200 points, but you'll still have a net gain probably well over 1000 points. Enough to make the difference between a colonel and a general.

There's no great harm done to any of them. They each waste a bit of time and lose a small number of points. The harm is to the others on the scoreboard, who are working hard at inching their way up and just got leapfrogged. It isn't sporting. It is textbook farming.

Isn't posting a game link(s) in global chat practically the same thing tho? Most people don't even look at or use Global Chat but when you post a game link there someone is going to say

"that might be interesting, I'll give it a shot." They know they'll probably lose, but the figure their chances are probably in the 20% range, not in the 1% range.

Why is making games on difficult maps with obscure settings (knowing they will get filled with random players who don't know the map) and waiting for it to hit The Pantry ok but sending wall links is not?? (I've asked to stop receiving invites to these games and they keep coming!!!)

You can make a Tournament with obscure settings and difficult maps and invite inexperienced players to it but you can't do that for regular games??

He didn't target low ranks and he didn't target inexperienced players.... is that who he ended up playing? Mostly yes but where they targeted for their inexperience or low rank just to be farmed? I don't believe so.

It's a sad joke someone cannot make 100 games on their favorite map/settings and send out LINKS, not invites, to random players they see are currently online

[misteryforall]

if you foe someone they cant post on your wall.. and you can set up a rule in your inbox to auto delete PMs from foes.

Didnt know that....tnx

[iAmCaffeine]

if you foe someone they cant post on your wall.. and you can set up a rule in your inbox to auto delete PMs from foes.

Didnt know that....tnx

Everything what come from Caff, need to be permanently deleted

[Shannon Apple]

nemapredaje, you misunderstood my post.
I was saying systematically inviting unexperienced people is forbidden, because someone else here said it wasn't.
I didn't say you did it.
I was speaking about general rule not about yourself specifically.


A lot of your last post are defending yourself unnecessarily. Like here

Okay, now you cross a line when you say about possible new accuse.

Shannon wasn't saying that either.

You misunderstood a lot of posts here I think, which lead you to believe people were accusing you while they were not.
Some did accuse you, but not as many as you think.

This! You're absolutely right.

I think it might be the language barrier here. But I was speaking on what leads to a ranching accusation in general.

[Dukasaur]

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Didn't want a massive quote, but didn't want to do all the work of trimming it, so put it in a spoiler.


When you play a mix of games, and some of them are surefire winners for you, but some of them are not, nobody cares. You win some points over here, lose them over there, on balance your score bounces around.

When you play ONLY the surefire winners, never balance them with anything else, that's when you end up in C&A.

[Pershing]

CC is set up so that the original friends help the original friends. If you are one of them like being a Democrat, lol, then you can do what you want with no penalty. Many of them set up games they can win with their
friends helping them discretely. Of course they help each other out. I tried to do the same thing and got called out for cheating like you. Setting up alliances in chat is not cheating, unless you are not one of the chosen few.
You can't fight a a corrupt system, just ask Trump. I may be band from the game just for my post. Lol. My advice, change your tactics or just don't play with these frauds. Taking your complaints to the Supreme leaders of CC is useless, like Trump going to the Supreme court for justice against a fraudulent election. The just don't care about equality only maintaining the status quo, and crushing all resistance (That would be you). Move on. Good Luck.

[iAmCaffeine]

well, clearly your views is well founded at least.

[Mrhan]

I personally do not have anything against this. I see it as a strategy. It's an invitation to a game that the inviter is familiar to the map/settings. People who receive the invitation can see the map/settings before accepting it. They have a choice. Unless he's spamming the messages, I do not see it's a problem. My 3 games with nema was founded and joined in "Join Games". After the 3rd game with him, he sent me an invitation of a map that I'm not familiar with, I decline.

[GabonX]

Im only here cause he spammed my wall for moral support of his farming.

[narutoserigala]

You asked me to post my opinion.

Reading the posts, I don't think admin has anything against sending out home-away games feelers to players. You could nego with certain players you want a match to agree on a fair series. I did that before. I experimented with this and culminated in a top leaderboard game series a few years ago. Presently jali is taking a lead in re activating this game series idea and receiving interests. Due to rank differences, I will most likely lose points. Nevertheless, I am supportive of it as it promotes more games amongst players of similar ranks.

While we all want to climb up the leaderboard board, it is important to do so in a good way. This ensures fairness in competition which is what admin want. It will be better to give back to the community something too like the example of josko, jali and many others etc.

If that is not your cup of tea, then you could just create public games and avoid inviting anyone. Since, public games are first come first service,map specialists have equal chance to grab your public games as with anyone. You aren't afraid right? It is a fair arrangement since you are not targeting anyone.

[the warrior65]

End this.


LETS PLAY CC

[the boognish]

Not sure I fully understand what farming is, but i don't see any kind of cheating going on. Why would people play a game they don't want to ?

[Dukasaur]

Not sure I fully understand what farming is, but i don't see any kind of cheating going on. Why would people play a game they don't want to ?

For a couple of reasons. First, people are social animals. The instinct is to get along, so if you ask nicely for something, a certain percentage of people will give it to you even though it's against their interest.

Second, exploration/curiosity. If you ask someone to check out something new and interesting, a certain percentage will say yes, just out of curiosity. They assume they'll figure it out as they go. They know their chances of winning are low, but they don't realize their actual chance of winning is actually not just low but negligible. They don't realize that it's a baited trap on a complex map that someone has no chance of winning unless they know it well.

Between the two percentages, you can gather a significant number of victims just by asking nicely. That's farming.

[Extreme Ways]

Not sure I fully understand what farming is, but i don't see any kind of cheating going on. Why would people play a game they don't want to ?

For a couple of reasons. First, people are social animals. The instinct is to get along, so if you ask nicely for something, a certain percentage of people will give it to you even though it's against their interest.

Second, exploration/curiosity. If you ask someone to check out something new and interesting, a certain percentage will say yes, just out of curiosity. They assume they'll figure it out as they go. They know their chances of winning are low, but they don't realize their actual chance of winning is actually not just low but negligible. They don't realize that it's a baited trap on a complex map that someone has no chance of winning unless they know it well.

Between the two percentages, you can gather a significant number of victims just by asking nicely. That's farming.

Honestly I almost took him up on the offer to see how the game plays. I'm kinda attached to my 3500+ score right now, so not often can I play a game to see how it feels without risking 40-50 points.

[Shannon Apple]

Between the two percentages, you can gather a significant number of victims just by asking nicely. That's farming.

From his first post:

Where I cheat?just farming complex games with complex settings where I am good.

He admits to it.
Actually just noticed that today.

[narutoserigala]

Not sure I fully understand what farming is, but i don't see any kind of cheating going on. Why would people play a game they don't want to ?

For a couple of reasons. First, people are social animals. The instinct is to get along, so if you ask nicely for something, a certain percentage of people will give it to you even though it's against their interest.

Second, exploration/curiosity. If you ask someone to check out something new and interesting, a certain percentage will say yes, just out of curiosity. They assume they'll figure it out as they go. They know their chances of winning are low, but they don't realize their actual chance of winning is actually not just low but negligible. They don't realize that it's a baited trap on a complex map that someone has no chance of winning unless they know it well.

Between the two percentages, you can gather a significant number of victims just by asking nicely. That's farming.

Honestly I almost took him up on the offer to see how the game plays. I'm kinda attached to my 3500+ score right now, so not often can I play a game to see how it feels without risking 40-50 points.

Presently, you have 19 games active or waiting but no public games, not even one. Perhaps you should consider setting aside for opening public games and allow for wider community participation but not invite anyone. These kinds of games carry a lot of risks, maybe more risks than you are accustomed to.

As you have pointed out, there is a high risk of point loss especially if you are not confident in your own skin or map. Additionally there could also be reverse farming risk (certain players may hog such games like a predator seeing us fat whales & can still emerges a winner with a net stack load of points from 1 win despite losing everything else out of 10 , 20 or even 30 games on the rank differences haha). Good thing is we are not so helpless as there are ways to deal with such hoggers/whalers or reverse farmers!

Over the years, I have shown the way as your Conqueror that public games is a very good way for high ranked players like yourself to contribute to the community who wish to play with us more often. You should show your sincerity with meaningful actions not just words

[Nut Shot Scott]

Where I cheat?just farming complex games with complex settings where I am good.

He admits to it.
Actually just noticed that today.

Lmao. I also missed this. What a clown.

[narutoserigala]

CC is set up so that the original friends help the original friends. If you are one of them like being a Democrat, lol, then you can do what you want with no penalty. Many of them set up games they can win with their
friends helping them discretely. Of course they help each other out. I tried to do the same thing and got called out for cheating like you. Setting up alliances in chat is not cheating, unless you are not one of the chosen few.
You can't fight a a corrupt system, just ask Trump. I may be band from the game just for my post. Lol. My advice, change your tactics or just don't play with these frauds. Taking your complaints to the Supreme leaders of CC is useless, like Trump going to the Supreme court for justice against a fraudulent election. The just don't care about equality only maintaining the status quo, and crushing all resistance (That would be you). Move on. Good Luck.

I am not sure if I follow. Do you have specific instances to show what you meant by original friends helping original friends. Who are these chosen few? Who are these few frauds? Care to explain further? I am just asking because I care about CC.

[Extreme Ways]

Presently, you have 19 games active or waiting but no public games, not even one. Perhaps you should consider setting aside for opening public games and allow for wider community participation but not invite anyone. These kinds of games carry a lot of risks, maybe more risks than you are accustomed to.

Dude what? Of my 19 active/waiting games, 2 are clan games, 5 are tournament games, the remaining 12 were open to join for anyone. I haven't invited anyone but my teammates in my teamgames. Besides, I've gained most of my points with battle royale games and free-for-all freestyle games. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

Edit: actually, I think I also had a lot of AoR2 poly2 games open when I was climbing to 3500. Didn't invite anyone to these either but for agentcom, who is a better player on that map than I am. Finally, I know it might not look like it now as I'm trying NWP again but most of my public games are actually on the random map too.

As you have pointed out, there is a high risk of point loss especially if you are not confident in your own skin or map. Additionally there could also be reverse farming risk (certain players may hog such games like a predator seeing us fat whales & can still emerges a winner with a net stack load of points from 1 win despite losing everything else out of 10 , 20 or even 30 games on the rank differences haha). Good thing is we are not so helpless as there are ways to deal with such hoggers/whalers or reverse farmers!

Over the years, I have shown the way as your Conqueror that public games is a very good way for high ranked players like yourself to contribute to the community who wish to play with us more often. You should show your sincerity with meaningful actions not just words

I take it you had good intentions and I don't disagree with anything else.

[general cod]

Lots of folk responded to the call for 'help' . Respect to the humanity of all even though it seens no help was actually needed. Would be interesting to see a cry for help in cultivation of players by way of farming or ranching or as i like to call it lowdown shitty ass play or just exploitation. I remember when IamCaffeine asked for help to wipe his bum properly with responses regarding technique and choice of high grade bog roll... Suffice to say IamCaffeine now has one of the cleanest pruned bottoms on the site bloidy good show.

[Pershing]

CC is set up so that the original friends help the original friends. If you are one of them like being a Democrat, lol, then you can do what you want with no penalty. Many of them set up games they can win with their
friends helping them discretely. Of course they help each other out. I tried to do the same thing and got called out for cheating like you. Setting up alliances in chat is not cheating, unless you are not one of the chosen few.
You can't fight a a corrupt system, just ask Trump. I may be band from the game just for my post. Lol. My advice, change your tactics or just don't play with these frauds. Taking your complaints to the Supreme leaders of CC is useless, like Trump going to the Supreme court for justice against a fraudulent election. The just don't care about equality only maintaining the status quo, and crushing all resistance (That would be you). Move on. Good Luck.

I am not sure if I follow. Do you have specific instances to show what you meant by original friends helping original friends. Who are these chosen few? Who are these few frauds? Care to explain further? I am just asking because I care about CC.

First of all you are doing exactly what Help me is doing. Playing you map, over and over again, frequently with low level players compared to you. So I guess you should be supporting this guy.
Secondly if you have not observed the nuances of how these games are played among certain players many what I call origin players, then you have not been paying close enough attention. It is the old do as I say
not as I do. Like the government going out of its way to prosecute Conservatives and completing the ignoring the crimes of Liberals. Those with power make the rules and are decide when and who breaks them. I basically play with the robots now just for fun to avoid the frauds and crybabies. Their is a reason this club has lost so many members since its inception. Once people learn how the real system works here, most just leave permanently.

[t4mcr53s2]

I wasnt invited but bumped into the post
I am surprized to see that NO ONE mentioned one of the tackiest part of the Gallipoli invites , (and i think its a stain on all the cc community, not just NP) is the Gallipoli has linked starting positions and its mentioned NOWHERE on the map , ie it you see someone has battleship a you know where their land terts are and have a huge advantage ) I think its bad sportsmanship to platy these kind of games with people who dont know this .....

when i've raised the issue before people have defended the status quo by saying when they played the map enough the figured it out so we should continue to keep it a secret advantage for experienced players

on other maps a novice to cc whose played other risk sites and is a wiz at probablitiy and strategy could be an even match despite someones experience put when there is a hidden thick that no one can know the first two times they play a map that is tacky

we dont consider it fair to make your opponent at cards sit in front of a mirror so you can know their cards

[Dukasaur]

I wasnt invited but bumped into the post
I am surprized to see that NO ONE mentioned one of the tackiest part of the Gallipoli invites , (and i think its a stain on all the cc community, not just NP) is the Gallipoli has linked starting positions and its mentioned NOWHERE on the map , ie it you see someone has battleship a you know where their land terts are and have a huge advantage ) I think its bad sportsmanship to platy these kind of games with people who dont know this .....

when i've raised the issue before people have defended the status quo by saying when they played the map enough the figured it out so we should continue to keep it a secret advantage for experienced players

on other maps a novice to cc whose played other risk sites and is a wiz at probablitiy and strategy could be an even match despite someones experience put when there is a hidden thick that no one can know the first two times they play a map that is tacky

we dont consider it fair to make your opponent at cards sit in front of a mirror so you can know their cards

I tend to agree that it's unfair to play with secret knowledge. However, I don't see an easy solution.

Strictly speaking, the starting positions on maps like Gallipoli are not secret. The starting positions are listed in the map discussion thread, and from every game there is a link to the map discussion thread for that map. However, few people follow those links and even fewer will have the patience to wade through all 30 pages of discussion on the map. So it's borderline secret.

Every possible solution I see has big flaws.

• If you were to try putting that much information in the map legends they would be too big to display. Already some of the map legends are difficult to read from too much information.
• We'd be opening a whole new can of worms if we tried to make it some kind of a formal rule that you can only play with people who have the secret sauce. It would result in a mammoth number of C&A cases with no real upside.
• Can't really expect people to educate their opponents every time. If somebody asks me where to find the starting positions, I honestly tell them, but I'm not going to go to the extra trouble of giving them this information unsolicited. It's a heavy burden to put on people who ultimately are just here to play a game.
• Would be nice if there was a published strategy guide for the map so the information would be more easily found, but even then, only a tiny minority of players ever come to the forums or bother to read strategy articles.
• People who are strong on the maps can mentor new people, but again, only a tiny minority of players ever come to the forums or bother to ask for mentorship.

[Dukasaur]

Also,