Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[SoN!c]

Voting Max is a cop out. We learn nothing. If Max doesn't show, he should be subbed. What are you doing?

My idea too but LC has his mind set up in stone about it (and there is no wiggling that concrete pillar). Pretty sure Max will flip town like always but there is that 36.36% random chance i suppose.

Im pretty confident about the Wolf pair Strike / DDS, especially Strike being a wolf in this game. Not so sure about the tin foil hat he has as wolf partner. Besides DDS is great fun to have around in a game like this.

[Charle]

I'm curious how he got to his numbers, if masons are harder to eliminate then surely so are scum

My maths is slightly wrong which is scummy for an accountant in real life. Its 56% not 53% blaming it on a scummy keyboard though.

Basically my presumption is a Mason on the verge of being lynched D1 would claim.
A fake Mason claim by a scum faction D1 would be called out and the calling out would be verifiable by the other Mason if the real Mason got to -1.
So I don't think a fake mason claim by scum is an option.

Every faction has 2 known to each other D1.
That has made me rethink a bit of my logic.

Yes there are arguments that you can't simplify to 5/9 but I'd say it tends more to 5/9 than 7/11
I think the arguments that you can't simplify to 5/9 are more around the possibility that scum factions will gravitate naturally towards vanilla town and that noone will defend vanilla town. Lets call this natural gravitation X
So perhaps mislynch probability is (5/9)+X rather than (7/11)+X

I think what we can agree on is D1 Masons are harder to eliminate than Scum, but Scum are harder to eliminate than Vanilla Town?

We can all think about what value we each place on X - but what I would say is its not necessarily that That High because won't each 2 faction have a natural preference to split their votes?

Hi Loose, please do not post in blue colour, that is the colour I will use (read the rules) It just makes it easier for me to see where I last posted, thanks man!

[Loose Canon]

A no or low contributing max is a town problem whatever faction he is.

Now max can deal with this by remedying his current and past game contribution deficit. For me he'd have to make assurances about D2 onwards too.

Or Charle can sub him.

Not bothered either way.

But as things stand particularly in this set up he's more of a handicap to town than anything, so want this handicap dealt with.

[Charle]

I will do another vote count later today

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Well, I'm one of dem "no lyncher" fellers. Given how fast everyone lynched me for it last game. Bunch of hooligans!

I would never stay on a joke wagon to begin with before it got out of hand.

Great denial you guys are not the wolf pair I get why you are one of dem "no lyncher" fellers now!

But Rule N° 1 on scum is 'when there is No hard denial = They are soft admitting it'

equals "Game over wolf pair"

GG guys - but no escape from this and you guys know it

Oh boy, here we go again.

Haha I was thinking excatly the same. Here we go again

[SoN!c]

Hey, it was a subtle build-up against wolf-pair DDS and Strike , applying one of the most successful techniques of mind trickery including subtle verbal cues among a more direct approach of mental framing.

But then LC barged in saying something about Max again and the momentum was gone.

[strike wolf]

Okay. I've had my fun. Son!c is tripping into the rabbit hole of his own creation. Whether he's Scum making shit up or town whos convinced himself of his own conspiracy theory, he won't listen to this. So I must try to talk in a different manner.

De do do do. De da da da. My innocence will pull me through. .

[DirtyDishSoap]

[DirtyDishSoap]

[SoN!c]

Hahahaha!

[Devante]

Alright where we at then? I'll wait for vote count but think it's on Max now with the most right now. Max any input? be a good time to do so

Side note LC your math is hurting my head

[Maxleod]

It's funny how some people seem to know that I'm town and apologize for a mislynch beforehand...

[Ragian]

Do you read that as scummy? Who in particular?

[DirtyDishSoap]

I guess he's soft claiming Mason?

[Loose Canon]

It's funny how some people seem to know that I'm town and apologize for a mislynch beforehand...

Max, you need to put yourself out there and commit to putting yourself out there with FREQUENCY giving opinions on what players are saying, arguing with them, prodding them etc especially so in a game with this set up.
Otherwise I've got to assume you won't do so because your track record is not to do so.
And therefore you will become an increasing problem for Town because come day 2 or day 3 we have nothing to go on to assess whether you are Town or not.
Town will have to deal with you later if we don't deal with you now because we have to assume that scum factions will not go for you nighttime because what danger to them are you?

I'm not apologizing for this come what may- I'm giving it to you straight man.

[SoN!c]

[PepeAtila]

But I still think you are both suspects... also because I have no other clue.

[Charle]

Vote Count:

The Lone Ranger and Tonto have been riding all day on a buffalo hunt. When they stop to rest, Tonto places his ear to the ground and listens.
"Buffalo come," Tonto says.
"How do you know that?" asks the Lone Ranger.
"Ear sticky."

Sonic (2) - Rag, EW
DDS (2) - Max, Strike
Max (2) - LC, Sonic

11 Alive, takes 6 votes for a lynch

[SoN!c]

But I still think you are both suspects... also because I have no other clue.

Yes i agree, because the initial defense was so lame, i swear it felt like both DDS and Strike were caught with their pants down. Also i saw them both coming online (users browsing this page) and they didn't reacted..just looking like shiiiiiit we are caught..

In the end DDS just posted this gif:

That's all he could counter..and then Strike posted something that sounded as his wolf funeral oration - looked conceaded - singing Roses are red and Violets are blue..

I swear it felt like if i posted a written confession at that time i think Strike would have said "Oh well, whatever, i'll sign it ". Even downloading and uploading that stuff. That balloon momentum build up was so big it was about to burst...but then Loose swooped in changing the subject back to Max and deflated everything.

[strike wolf]

Curious how you could see me Son!c when I always stay on invisible mode.

[SoN!c]

Curious how you could see me Son!c when I always stay on invisible mode.

Thats how i remember it

Besides you posted stuff so you must have been online.

Point is initial defense was so lame, it felt like your pants was both down.

DDS only posted this gif:

And you posted something that sounded like your wolf funeral oration - looking conceded - singing Roses are red and Violets are blue even!..

Don't you agree that that sounded pretty forlorn as both your initial defense on being the Wolf-pair?

[SoN!c]

So in short here is the FoS i feel and why im thinking you guys are the Wolf-Pair:

1) DDS votes you right from the start with that old joke "LOOK AT HIS NAME!"
But this time... you immediately vote him back. But You didn't vote him back in the wolf game where that joke was appropriate (The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow) and where he did the same.
So this time it looked like a strategy almost? Something off anyway.

2) Knowing Charle i think it's great fun to have a wolf pair in here with you as one of the wolves. And he would have partnered you up with DDS who would appreciate that kind of humour.

3) DDS unvoted you (superfast) when he saw Devante was ready to lynch for real and when you got to L-2.

4) When called upon being the Wolf-Pair that first defense was "ugh, they got us" it feeled / seemed..

Sure, i could be tunneling here but Mmmmmmm..

[strike wolf]

The unvote seems pretty natural for someone who made a joke vote that turned into a wagon based on nothing and outside of having a guilty cop/confessor result against me, when have I ever just been "oh well. Guess I'm caught. I give up."?

I didn't take the bandwagon seriously because there is nothing here to take seriously and I honestly thought you were trying to bait a response from someone. So I thought it could be worthwhile to see what happens. Instead, it's you deciding that Charle would abandon regular mafia rules because it would be fun to make me a wolf and then doubling down while Pepe follows.

I would look at the people who should know this as the weak case it is and are either standing on the side lines or playing along.

[Loose Canon]

Confirmed that i am once again, the SK.

Also, vote the Ragian for that time of the month again. That'll show you, ya putz!

Is it really just the time of the month for Ragian?

Rags has been nothing but one or two line tetchy in ALL his posts so far.
Is that a predetermined D1 strategy he has devised for his scum role this time?

He's had his joke phase now.
Charle has even thrown in some crackers as bones to Rags.

Could be its just hungered him for meat on his bones?

[DirtyDishSoap]

Convincing you that you're wrong is like trying to explain to a rock that it is a rock and not a flower. In every game I've had to be in, you reach deep down into Alice's wonderland, yank the first idea you find, and then run with it until the next game day.
Facts? PFFT! Make it up as you go! We don't need to bother with silly semantics.