The Thing TOWN WINS!

[Ragian]

So, technically, we could lynch Votanic and still win? You owe a Votanic lynch from D2

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Realized I wrote 1 Thing between Sonic, Strike or Vot and 1 recruiter beetween all others except me - I meant recruit yeah.

Ok. So Deg has a FT. As expected we have a vig today no matter what.

So Deg Could you say if it said something else how you find it to see if its Charle for sure.

Also to see if I understand your plan.

We lynch one of the 3 Thing suspects - lets assume we get it wrong as we have all game it becomes a 4v2. So you flame Charle cause according to everyone "It has to be Charle". So if for any reason its not Charle game over, but if it was Charle it becomes a 4v1 thing.

Then the thing recruits and we get to 3v2 Situation. We BT one of the 2 suspects remaining if negtive we lynch the other one?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

The other Possibility is we lynch one of the 3 and vig another. 2 in 3 to find the thing.

So in the 1rst plan we go all in assuming Charle is the converted one or in the second Scenario we go for a 66% chance of killing the thing and becoming a 4v1 scenario then same BT no lynch until it comes positive

[strike wolf]

Degas plan would pretty much guarantee a town win. If our lynch choice today flips town then likely 1 of 2 things happen.

1. Vot/Son!c recruits me. Recruit charle dies.
A. Town BTs Vot Son!c and lynches recruiter.
B. Town BTs me and lynches recruit but Vigs Vot/Son!c overnight to win.
2. Vot/Son!c recruits Dega or someone elsd
A. We choose correctly and get the Bt on recruiter and win after figuring out recruit.
B. We BT me, I come back innocent and we lynch Vot/Son!c and win after figuring out the recruit.

Hope we get it right today.

@Traf: problem with the other plan is that if we miss both on the lynch and Vig then town loses. I don't see any other way to read the scene other than Charle being recruited.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

However we certainly can't have 2 vigs at the time. Deg would not have much reason to lie as Charle would flame him if lying. So maybe its safer to go with Degs plan than go for 2on3 chance.

Will write all my thoughts on the 3 suspects later. See who are we lynching

FP by Strike but yeah I come to the conclusion Deg plan is safer as well

[SoN!c]

Im Fucks vanilla scientist.

I do not hold the flamethrower.

So its Strike or Votanic. Im not gonna say who i think because you just go for the other one then.

I'll vote whatever Traf votes and yes i was wrong on him. So sorry for the tunnelvision but i cant say it was not without good reasons. Hzppy to be right on EW being the N1 recruit just before N2 tho.

And Why flame Charle? You got 2 chances out of 3 if you lynch/flame me, Vot or Strike. And i already said its not me

If i was i would have come clean - just to defuse the personal anger management issues here.

[strike wolf]

Pushing the one route where hed have a chance to win as recruiter. Considering his reason for suspecting EW was the recruit it was either complete coincidence or he knew EW was the recruit because he recruited him.

Vote Son!c

[degaston]

I'm traveling at the moment. Will respond when I can.

[SoN!c]

However we certainly can't have 2 vigs at the time. Deg would not have much reason to lie as Charle would flame him if lying. So maybe its safer to go with Degs plan than go for 2on3 chance.

Will write all my thoughts on the 3 suspects later. See who are we lynching

FP by Strike but yeah I come to the conclusion Deg plan is safer as well

Well, perhaps that is exactly what is going on here. 2 vigs at the same time.

Let's say for argument sake we don't see any other way to read the scene other than Charle being recruited. I fell for it. But it was a bust.

Let's say Deg holds the FT now (the FT that back up vig Swang was suppose to get). Does Deg know how many times he can use it? Just once like i said before or multiple times?

Because if it's infinitive times and the FT can be found by a townie then why do you need a "back up vig" (Swang) then??.

If The Thing got game info from the start of the game that there are 2 vig's out there (but just one flamethrower) and the FT from the first vig will stop working after 2 vigs (but the back up vig's FT will at that moment) then The Thing would not have recruited Charle... just like Charle is saying.

A very important scene from the movie is that the flamethrower is not working. Unexpectedly.



I know this sounds crazy and makes me the N1 suspect so i would not post this if i was The Thing. Just saying you don't know for sure Charle is the recruit. I was certain he was just like i was certain on Traf.

Could be Charle is still town and thinks his FT is still working (but its not) and Deg got Swangs "back up vig" power instead.?

That is why perhaps it's better to keep concentrating on the recruiter and not on the possible Charle recruit.

[Ragian]

I'm not sold. I'm also annoyed we didn't just BT sonic today. However, I fear that strike is pushing the either sonic or traf thing too much and has something up his sleeve.

[SoN!c]

I'm not sold. I'm also annoyed we didn't just BT sonic today. However, I fear that strike is pushing the either sonic or traf thing too much and has something up his sleeve.

Not selling anyThing. Just saying "stay on target". Stay on the recruiter: Votanic or Strike (or me). I think The Thing has something up his sleeve too. Game info he got at the start that we don't know.

Charle's post does not make any sense unless it's the truth. I called it "slapstick sync" because Traf believed it. But Traf checks out town.

Stay on target

[Votanic]

If we do have another vig, as well as the BT and lynch, this is looking like a cake-walk for town...
unless we somehow seize defeat from the clutches of victory. Our track record is not great.

It occurs to me that Dega might have been recruited and is lying about the vig... but I doubt that because DDS basically has told us their is another 'unlikely' vig.
...and so Charle must be the recruit. That is almost spelled out for us.

So, for me, between Sonic and strike...
I was voting Sonic on Day 2, but that was because his playstyle was the only thing I had to substitute for real evidence.
But today, seeing strike tryign to push a lynch before BT, and then saying he forgot how many votes were requred...
I have to say I suspect strike is the recruiter... but that still isn't proof.

And yes, of course, strike is trying to build a case against me too...

Btw, @Ragian, I hope you notice how much flavor analysis is going on today. It's huge. Everyone's doing it now, maybe even you?

[degaston]

I was not told that I was a backup vig. I just got a message that I now have the flamethrower, and I have unlimited uses.

Doesn't really matter if anyone believes me or not. I think town wins no matter who we lynch (out of Vot, Sonic or Strike). If we mis-lynch, then I might be converted and end up losing, but I'm willing to take one for the team.

[degaston]

Degas plan would pretty much guarantee a town win. If our lynch choice today flips town then likely 1 of 2 things happen.

1. Vot/Son!c recruits me. Recruit charle dies.
A. Town BTs Vot Son!c and lynches recruiter.
B. Town BTs me and lynches recruit but Vigs Vot/Son!c overnight to win.
2. Vot/Son!c recruits Dega or someone elsd
A. We choose correctly and get the Bt on recruiter and win after figuring out recruit.
B. We BT me, I come back innocent and we lynch Vot/Son!c and win after figuring out the recruit.

Hope we get it right today.

@Traf: problem with the other plan is that if we miss both on the lynch and Vig then town loses. I don't see any other way to read the scene other than Charle being recruited.

This is exactly right. And the same logic would apply from either Vot or Sonic's perspective.

[Votanic]

Degas plan would pretty much guarantee a town win. If our lynch choice today flips town then likely 1 of 2 things happen.

1. Vot/Son!c recruits me. Recruit charle dies.
A. Town BTs Vot Son!c and lynches recruiter.
B. Town BTs me and lynches recruit but Vigs Vot/Son!c overnight to win.
2. Vot/Son!c recruits Dega or someone elsd
A. We choose correctly and get the Bt on recruiter and win after figuring out recruit.
B. We BT me, I come back innocent and we lynch Vot/Son!c and win after figuring out the recruit.

Hope we get it right today.

@Traf: problem with the other plan is that if we miss both on the lynch and Vig then town loses. I don't see any other way to read the scene other than Charle being recruited.

This is exactly right. And the same logic would apply from either Vot or Sonic's perspective.

Okay, to put it even more simply.
Three recruiter suspects.
We have a lynch and a vig that happens before the next recruitment.

The odds are good overall...
...but worst case is we lynch and vig both townies and the recruiter gets to recruit again. That's three vs two and the Thing wins.

So now everyone has to sort out the real evidence from The BS.
It's a little easier for me since I only have two supsects, but I'm still not sure.
...I guess I am slightly leaning towards strike... but maybe I'm just tired of suspecting Sonic and not getting anywhere.

[SoN!c]

Degas plan would pretty much guarantee a town win. If our lynch choice today flips town then likely 1 of 2 things happen.

1. Vot/Son!c recruits me. Recruit charle dies.
A. Town BTs Vot Son!c and lynches recruiter.
B. Town BTs me and lynches recruit but Vigs Vot/Son!c overnight to win.
2. Vot/Son!c recruits Dega or someone elsd
A. We choose correctly and get the Bt on recruiter and win after figuring out recruit.
B. We BT me, I come back innocent and we lynch Vot/Son!c and win after figuring out the recruit.

Hope we get it right today.

@Traf: problem with the other plan is that if we miss both on the lynch and Vig then town loses. I don't see any other way to read the scene other than Charle being recruited.

This is exactly right. And the same logic would apply from either Vot or Sonic's perspective.

Happy you 2 are sure town is gonna win this way.. 3 possible recruiters but lets say you lynch a townie now since you both are voting me and flame Charle. Then the Thing gets another recruit.

What if Charle flips town because the Thing knew something we don't? Then there are 3 things with 5 players left.. Game over. Why is Charle even saying what he posted D3 that he believes he still has the FT dispite the mod saying the FT was found abandoned by an unlikely hero?

But if your two are sure town will win this way then go right ahead.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Deg could you say what ur character read/is?

Same with Charle?

[degaston]

Happy you 2 are sure town is gonna win this way.. 3 possible recruiters but lets say you lynch a townie now since you both are voting me and flame Charle. Then the Thing gets another recruit.

What if Charle flips town because the Thing knew something we don't? Then there are 3 things with 5 players left.. Game over. Why is Charle even saying what he posted D3 that he believes he still has the FT dispite the mod saying the FT was found abandoned by an unlikely hero?

But if your two are sure town will win this way then go right ahead.

So let's hear your plan for how town can win.
I could use a good laugh!

(As an aside, I'm not actually angry with you. It's a game, and people say things as part of the game because they're trying to win by influencing the other players. Maybe you're the Thing, and this is all an act because you think it will help you win, or maybe you're town, in which case I'm not a fan of your play style. But different play styles can still be effective, even if they are annoying. )

[degaston]

Deg could you say what ur character read/is?

Same with Charle?

I'm "Windows". The role said I was Vanilla. Was there something else you wanted?

[strike wolf]

Degas plan would pretty much guarantee a town win. If our lynch choice today flips town then likely 1 of 2 things happen.

1. Vot/Son!c recruits me. Recruit charle dies.
A. Town BTs Vot Son!c and lynches recruiter.
B. Town BTs me and lynches recruit but Vigs Vot/Son!c overnight to win.
2. Vot/Son!c recruits Dega or someone elsd
A. We choose correctly and get the Bt on recruiter and win after figuring out recruit.
B. We BT me, I come back innocent and we lynch Vot/Son!c and win after figuring out the recruit.

Hope we get it right today.

@Traf: problem with the other plan is that if we miss both on the lynch and Vig then town loses. I don't see any other way to read the scene other than Charle being recruited.

This is exactly right. And the same logic would apply from either Vot or Sonic's perspective.

Happy you 2 are sure town is gonna win this way.. 3 possible recruiters but lets say you lynch a townie now since you both are voting me and flame Charle. Then the Thing gets another recruit.

What if Charle flips town because the Thing knew something we don't? Then there are 3 things with 5 players left.. Game over. Why is Charle even saying what he posted D3 that he believes he still has the FT dispite the mod saying the FT was found abandoned by an unlikely hero?

But if your two are sure town will win this way then go right ahead.

I mean Charle doesn't have a choice but to say that he still has the flamethrower at this point. He has no other possible out after his initial claim that he didn't get any message from DDS. It was a bad lie but now he's stuck in it because admitting anything else will be even worse.

@recruiter: It's over for you. You know it's over for you. Would you mind saving us the time of going through the motions and just confess so no one has to get meaninglessly recruited to cult when there's no chance for them to win on Cults team? Please and thank you.

[Votanic]

@recruiter: It's over for you. You know it's over for you. Would you mind saving us the time of going through the motions and just confess so no one has to get meaninglessly recruited to cult when there's no chance for them to win on Cults team? Please and thank you.

Am I the only one imagining strike saying this to himself in the mirror with a deranged smile on his face?
..but unfortunately, there is a way for the Thing to win, if we get our vote and vig wrong.

[Ragian]

Lol. Someone's butt is still sore.

[SoN!c]

Happy you 2 are sure town is gonna win this way.. 3 possible recruiters but lets say you lynch a townie now since you both are voting me and flame Charle. Then the Thing gets another recruit.

What if Charle flips town because the Thing knew something we don't? Then there are 3 things with 5 players left.. Game over. Why is Charle even saying what he posted D3 that he believes he still has the FT dispite the mod saying the FT was found abandoned by an unlikely hero?

But if your two are sure town will win this way then go right ahead.

So let's hear your plan for how town can win.
I could use a good laugh!

I don't like the "it doesn't even matter what sequence we lynch D3, BT D4 and lynch D4" part. I believe it does.

Its 1 recruiter between 2 townies to find. (Lets exclude the possibility the thing recruited one of the other 2 remaining suspects). All we know for sure then is The Thing recruited EW N1.

And 1 of us 3 said something about EW that was not true while EW defended that same person not getting lynched on D2.

And why doesn't The Thing come clean? Could he have an ace upon his sleeve like a "BT escape thing" just like in the movie or that he got game info we don't know?

Another reason to get the sequence right, just in case..

[Charle]

Ok, here it what happened to me.

I was very surprised that I did not receive any mail that I am recruited or anything regarding the flamethrower that was found abandoned.

DDS sent me a mail later to informed me that he made a mistake by not sending the mail to me, but I was actually recruited as we all expected. Because of this mistake, I am still Mac at town, but I have lost my power to vig, which is now with Deg.

So I suspect that at the moment there should only be the Thing with the only recruited EW dead.

With a lynch and a vig between 3 people, and say we miss both today, tomorrow we just lynch the 3rd one, game over.

[SoN!c]

Ok, here it what happened to me.

I was very surprised that I did not receive any mail that I am recruited or anything regarding the flamethrower that was found abandoned.

DDS sent me a mail later to informed me that he made a mistake by not sending the mail to me, but I was actually recruited as we all expected. Because of this mistake, I am still Mac at town, but I have lost my power to vig, which is now with Deg.

So I suspect that at the moment there should only be the Thing with the only recruited EW dead.

With a lynch and a vig between 3 people, and say we miss both today, tomorrow we just lynch the 3rd one, game over.

Well, if you say this much then just say who recruited you