Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[Skittles!]

@Skittles ,How do you know who Gary is ?

I don't.

[Ragian]

@BuJ, I'm willing to look at Samlen, Legion, and hotshot (just off the top of my head). They have all rubbed me the wrong way during the game. I just don't KNOW. I do know, however, what lynching Doom brings. Also, you're right. Doom said that he attacks like other WPs only stronger. Sorry. It's just that there's a chance, as someone mentioned, that he lied about the whole ting.

Looking through the list of players, I like the following (alphabetically): Anarkist, BuJ, dakky, kwanton, Nag, Strike
Looking through the list of players, I'm iffy about the following (alphabetically): Doom, Hotshot, Legion, Samlen
Looking through the list of players, I'm unsure about the following (alphabetically): mets, Mitch, newguy, skittles, Tala, The1exile

I'm listening...

What's the difference between "iffy" and "unsure?"

Asking for a friend.

Are asking for someone else, or are you asking for a friend (to be friends)?

Iffy = I find scummy
Unsure = I can't put my finger on

Personally I think one is the one where he's non-committal in calling them possible scum and the other is the one where he's more non-committal in calling any of them scum.

Whatever

[kwanton]

I do not think anyone reached a level 2 and you should know that if you were a WP .unvote vote BUJABER

What? Explain how wild Pokémon should know this because I certainly didn't.

[Anarkistsdream]

I do not think anyone reached a level 2 and you should know that if you were a WP .unvote vote BUJABER

What? Explain how wild Pokémon should know this because I certainly didn't.

I totally agree with you, Kwan. Mitch has no idea what the hell he is saying.

[Anarkistsdream]

A number of people need to be prodded, Mandalorian!

[The1exile]

After reading all this I'm still not so sure why people want doom lynched. He has a massive target on his back and it sounds like the only way trainers can win is if he isn't around so they will be targeting him tonight. So let's make this simple.

Vote : Dakky

You won't give up your boss, you may in fact be scummy as hell, and right now I see zero reason it is a bad idea.

Doom please tell the rest of us who you plan to target tonight so when you die as you probably will maybe the rest of us can decipher what the hell transpired in the day break scene.

I can't agree with this logic. If Doom is mewtwo, it's perfectly possible he is immune (or nigh immune) to pokemon attacks and we already know he's been targetted by a trainer once, which may leave lynching as the only option. As to why Dakky won't give up who Gary is, although I too would like to play a game of perfect information, the death scene yesterday suggests when trainers die so do their pokemon, so his reticence is understandable.

I also remain unconvinced by BuJaber's assertions that WP don't want SK's killed. Survivor roles always want to survive (duh) even without any further carrot dangling (like that it may later be a win condition).

[dakky21]

OK BuJ. Let's say Gary targets you tonight and orders me to defend. Tomorrow you're probably Team Gary as well if you are a WP. If Gary dies you die as well. Who can kill Gary? Lynching and MewTwo. WHY do you want MewTwo to live?

So I'm supposed to play according to a WC that I may get later in the game? What kind of logic is this?

If that happens to me then I'm screwed. That's just too bad for me. Lynching mewtwo makes absolutely no sense for WP and I don't know how else to say it. Maybe if I talk about worst case scenario for you guys? We keep doom alive for one or two more "days" so he gets a chance to kill 2 more people. TWO. that's it. That is the absolute worse case scenario. And let's be honest here, there's also a small chance his hits attack TR/trainers.

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Two days, two nights, two kills, exactly. But you're forgetting one small fact: IF MewTwo doesn't hit trainers in those 2 nights, 2 WP will be dead AND 4 of them probably captured!
(if there are only 2 trainers alive and since we know we can't capture DY, Gary can't capture only TR trainer and probably TR N1 captured pokemon)

That means, yeah, you've read it right, that in 2 days both teams - Gary and TR will probably have 2 more pokemon each! And if TR captured a pokemon N1, it will consist of 4 members! And if MT hits Gary, you know you're dead right - 4 players will die instantly and even if you're still a WP at that point, how will you kill 4 of them? By laying hopes into MewTwo to hit their trainer?

I also remain unconvinced by BuJaber's assertions that WP don't want SK's killed. Survivor roles always want to survive (duh) even without any further carrot dangling (like that it may later be a win condition).

That's what I'm trying to say. By leaving SK alive you only risk getting yourself killed... unless you know something we don't know. I am starting to think BuJaber got captured by TR N1. And he is sided with MewTwo. A WC something like "you win if TR is alive and MewTwo is alive". Something like that is probably going on. Especially for fishing "If that happens to me then I'm screwed." because he knows he can't be captured... so "yeah Gary, go waste another ball on me".

In either way something strange is happening between BuJaber and Doom.

[Samlen]

Confound it all I forgot to Unvote then Vote DoomYoshi.
As I'm going to reiterate, Doom is a loose cannon and leaving him alive is too dangerous. He does not seem to using much logic/strategy with his actions. Like seriously why go after someone random instead of a confirmed trainer if that is your wincon? If he had attacked Minister last night he would have gotten xp equal to his attack+1 no matter how many people helped kill Minister AND guaranteed himself that much closer to his wincon. It's like trusting a SK to help the town.... it just doesn't make sense.

[madmitch]

@ KWANTON To gain a level you have to gain 2 to the nth power experience points, where n = your current level. So you need to gain 2 exp to gain level 2., 4 more exp for level 3 and so on. Once you gain a level the required exp points are expended and can't be used for the purpose of the next level. THIS ALL i MEANT maybe I am wrong?

[mandalorian2298]

Vote Count

legionnare (1) - DoomYoshi

Hotshot (1) - BuJaber,

DoomYoshi (7) - dakky, legionnare, Kwan, Hotshot, Nagerous, Exile, Samlen

Dakky (2) - Anark, Talapus

BuJaber (1) - Mitch


With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

[BuJaber]

yes mitch .. so anybody who attacked a target that died gets +1 bonus xp, so if his attack was normal 1 damage or doubled 2 damage because of type advantage then they could have gained a level last night. You claimed you levelled up yourself didn't you?? Now you're acting like you've got no clue how the mechanic works.


Dakky - You're reading too much into my words. No hidden meanings.. no taunts.
Anyway you said earlier that gary can make his pokemon defend which means they take the hit for him. So if gary gets a second pokemon, and if doom figures out who gary is and attacks him, gary can just use one of his pokemon to defend and that would protect him, right? Doesn't seem as disastrous as you're making it sound - he and the rest of his pokemon would be safe.
Seems like maybe you are the only one that would die if doom attacks gary. So maybe you should just convince him to attack mitch or someone else, instead of lynching... But no wait you want gary to win and he needs the "mystery pokemon" to die. You're too biased.
You're the expert on gary's mechanics in this game though so if I'm wrong with my assumption then let's just agree to disagree on the doom thing.
But if I'm right just admit that you're acting in your self interest and not for the good of WP. (Which is totally fine it's part of the game - I just want people to take it into account).

[mandalorian2298]

A number of people need to be prodded, Mandalorian!

Name them and I'll have them dragged in here in chains!

Seriously though, I just checked the last few pages and it looks like everyone has had at least one post in the last two days.

[madmitch]

@Bujaber I never said I had no clue about leveling up ,I said I did n;t think anyone reached level 2 but many I was wrong, so to be fair unvote

[strike wolf]

Between storms and work and family stuff, I'm probably going to be away this weekend.

[Metsfanmax]

Ok, I thought about it for a while and decided that I think we should leave DoomYoshi alive today. DY should be given a chance to prove himself, that he can play in the interests of WP. If he doesn't, we can always just lynch him later, or pre-emptively in a couple days when his continued existence becomes a serious threat.

[dakky21]

Ok, I thought about it for a while and decided that I think we should leave DoomYoshi alive today. DY should be given a chance to prove himself, that he can play in the interests of WP. If he doesn't, we can always just lynch him later, or pre-emptively in a couple days when his continued existence becomes a serious threat.

Going through Day 1, I've noticed a pattern. You did unvote and then again voted Fircoal after saying that "mafia got a sample WP role" so you look like a town going for scum, BuJaber did sticked to every wagon AND DoomYoshi did tried to hammer without unvoting first AND didn't answer why did he do that.

BuJ + Mets + DY = TR

No one normal would counterclaim DY's MewTwo claim anyway.

[Metsfanmax]

Ok, I thought about it for a while and decided that I think we should leave DoomYoshi alive today. DY should be given a chance to prove himself, that he can play in the interests of WP. If he doesn't, we can always just lynch him later, or pre-emptively in a couple days when his continued existence becomes a serious threat.

Going through Day 1, I've noticed a pattern. You did unvote and then again voted Fircoal after saying that "mafia got a sample WP role" so you look like a town going for scum

This was already analyzed by someone else (Ragian?). I first voted when the vote was tied, and by helping break the tie I played a role in swinging the lynch toward Fircoal and away from mitch. I wouldn't have done that if I was buddies with Fircoal, because at that time the lynch was far from a guarantee.

[dakky21]

Ok, I thought about it for a while and decided that I think we should leave DoomYoshi alive today. DY should be given a chance to prove himself, that he can play in the interests of WP. If he doesn't, we can always just lynch him later, or pre-emptively in a couple days when his continued existence becomes a serious threat.

Going through Day 1, I've noticed a pattern. You did unvote and then again voted Fircoal after saying that "mafia got a sample WP role" so you look like a town going for scum

This was already analyzed by someone else (Ragian?). I first voted when the vote was tied, and by helping break the tie I played a role in swinging the lynch toward Fircoal and away from mitch. I wouldn't have done that if I was buddies with Fircoal, because at that time the lynch was far from a guarantee.

I can't find where this was already analyzed, but on the beginning on the 41st page you unvoted and then voted again - viewtopic.php?p=4881094#p4881094 and at that point Fircoal was at L-1. After you unvoted it become L-2, then you voted again to bring him to L-1 again and then exile hammered. So it was not far from lynching like you said. You seen where it's going so you voted him to appear as town.

DY + Mets + BuJ = TR.

MewTwo unknown and a safe claim because no one will counterclaim.

[Metsfanmax]

Ok, I thought about it for a while and decided that I think we should leave DoomYoshi alive today. DY should be given a chance to prove himself, that he can play in the interests of WP. If he doesn't, we can always just lynch him later, or pre-emptively in a couple days when his continued existence becomes a serious threat.

Going through Day 1, I've noticed a pattern. You did unvote and then again voted Fircoal after saying that "mafia got a sample WP role" so you look like a town going for scum

This was already analyzed by someone else (Ragian?). I first voted when the vote was tied, and by helping break the tie I played a role in swinging the lynch toward Fircoal and away from mitch. I wouldn't have done that if I was buddies with Fircoal, because at that time the lynch was far from a guarantee.

I can't find where this was already analyzed, but on the beginning on the 41st page you unvoted and then voted again - viewtopic.php?p=4881094#p4881094 and at that point Fircoal was at L-1. After you unvoted it become L-2, then you voted again to bring him to L-1 again and then exile hammered. So it was not far from lynching like you said. You seen where it's going so you voted him to appear as town.

Yes, I remember unvoting and then voting for him again, because I temporarily believed his claim before realizing it was a bad one. My point was that I originally voted for him long before that, which I wouldn't have done if I was on his team.

[dakky21]

Yes, I remember unvoting and then voting for him again, because I temporarily believed his claim before realizing it was a bad one. My point was that I originally voted for him long before that, which I wouldn't have done if I was on his team.

I'll cut the quotes above.... Yes, you did originally voted for him, so you can say what you just said. You voted him when it was not crucial, then unvoted on L-1 and then voted again to show us all you're not sided with him. But that was a desperate decision.

As usual, I am far from certain about the likelihood that Fircoal is actually scum -- getting it right on D1 is hard. However, even if I thought it was the same quality as the mitch case (and it's not), we'd still learn a lot more from lynching Fircoal than from lynching mitch, since like at least half the reason anyone votes for mitch is because he's annoying, which is not very alignment-indicative.

Yes, you knew at that point "we" would learn more from lynching Fircoal. Yes, confirm to us all yourself as town.

Team Rocket = BuJ + Mets + DY

[new guy1]

For the record, I would put New Guy and Mets as likely town or at the least unlikely Team Rocket. Mets has done some other things that make me think he is town but to be relatively brief both Mets and New Guy voted Chu at a time when the votes were tied before that (Mets technically should be the vote before mine in chronological order) and it looked likely that whoever got an edge in votes first would be propelled towards the lynch. If Mitch was town and Chu scum they almost definitely wouldn't have voted for Chu at that point. If I am wrong and Mitch is scum than its still unlikely that they would have voted for the more useful scum member.

Disregarding the votes of the dead, where Tal Nag and Buj votes are the likely spots for scum to be on the wagon imo (though I would not dismiss Exile as possibly hammering for town cred). Nag had a rough start but his posts have improved in quality as the game has become more serious plus Chu tried to start a serious case on him to save his own skin so I believe he is town at this point. Tal and Buj voted late on the wagon at a point where (unless i am remember incorrec tly) chu had a two vote advantage over mitch and his lynch was little better than inevitable so it is a relatively easy spot to jump on to gain town credit. However I dont remember either one doing anything particularly scummy unless you count Buj's insistence on Dakky despite no counter claim abouto being Gary's pokemon which is a weak argument.

Based on Dakky being the fourth vote on Mitch it is possible if not likely that Gary could be one of the first three to vote Mitch and Dakky was following their lead. However, I would have to double check but I think dakky actually originally voted Mitch before one of them but had unvoted and later put his vote back on Mitch. Of course considering that I still believe Kwan, the first three also seems likely to include the scum voters on Mitch's wagon.

For reference I believe Mets was talking about this post. I remembered the one he was referring to due to my mutual involvement in the post. No other content to add, just a quick drop in to catch up on reading and knew this could be cleared up.

[Metsfanmax]

Yes, I remember unvoting and then voting for him again, because I temporarily believed his claim before realizing it was a bad one. My point was that I originally voted for him long before that, which I wouldn't have done if I was on his team.

I'll cut the quotes above.... Yes, you did originally voted for him, so you can say what you just said. You voted him when it was not crucial, then unvoted on L-1 and then voted again to show us all you're not sided with him. But that was a desperate decision.

As usual, I am far from certain about the likelihood that Fircoal is actually scum -- getting it right on D1 is hard. However, even if I thought it was the same quality as the mitch case (and it's not), we'd still learn a lot more from lynching Fircoal than from lynching mitch, since like at least half the reason anyone votes for mitch is because he's annoying, which is not very alignment-indicative.

Yes, you knew at that point "we" would learn more from lynching Fircoal. Yes, confirm to us all yourself as town.

Team Rocket = BuJ + Mets + DY

This whole post is ridiculous. You're not providing evidence that I am TR, you're just assuming that I am TR because I believe that DY is telling the truth about his character and then selectively interpreting my past behavior to fit your theory. And let's not forget that on D1 you said this:

No, my role is Wild Pokemon, but 2 days later I got another role that I was claimed and that I can't no more attack or defend - that will my trainer decide. That's why I believe mitch is Mets pokemon and that's why I unvoted him. More pairs to be found though...

So I voted for Fircoal because I'm protecting mitch who is scum, or I voted for Fircoal because I'm pretending to be town and actually mitch isn't scum? Pick a story.

[madmitch]

If it helps ? I can tell you I don't belong to anybody and Dakkys statement kind of makes sense, so back on the band wagon I go, vote Doom

[dakky21]

So I voted for Fircoal because I'm protecting mitch who is scum, or I voted for Fircoal because I'm pretending to be town and actually mitch isn't scum? Pick a story.

Surprisingly active lately after being accused... interesting. How do you know mitch is scum? Pretending to be town OR protecting scum is different. Pick your own.

[Metsfanmax]

So I voted for Fircoal because I'm protecting mitch who is scum, or I voted for Fircoal because I'm pretending to be town and actually mitch isn't scum? Pick a story.

Surprisingly active lately after being accused... interesting.

You're right, I shouldn't be wasting my time on this. Time to move on.