The Thing TOWN WINS!

[SoN!c]

I like your idea of a random bandwagon for the BT, but I dont think it fits day 1. On day 2, cult will be with 2 and thus be more capable of steering town off of someone.

Swang coasting along... probably nothing to find there anyway.

Very good idea from EW. To be used on D3? Or D2 even when we stay so divided?

But certainly not today like EW points out, on 90% vs 10% odds that would be giving the win to The Thing. The Thing would be very happy if he reads this. So let's not make him.

Why not hear more from Deg first?. He ticks all the boxes, just like Traf. And both are experienced playes too, so both qualify for BT.

[Ragian]

I'm just taking my hat off for "randwagon". That's one of the best things to happen in CC Mafia since Halrob imploded in the Prison Game.



Now, I, too, have noticed that Swang just says nothing in a post, and it is starting to rub me the wrong way. How experienced are you, swang? I don't seem to recall that from the latest game.

@Charle, yes, talking back and forth is the M.O. for town D1. We have nothing to go on, so we poke and scratch to see if anything is immediately under the surface. It's good stuff to have in mind for later days, so that you can check if people's playstyles change. I'd even go as far as to say that it's anti-town to want to speed things up.

[SoN!c]

Charle is town. 100%. Happy to take loose bets on it

But i get Charle. If the Thing suspects don't wanna talk we ain't movin any inch forward unless we BT.


So let's deadline? It's Halloween tonight. That means 2 november, DDS his return, is less then 3 days away.. 3 days is more then Time enough to hear Deg? In the mean time Traf stays the n°1 BT to me.

[swang918]

Now, I, too, have noticed that Swang just says nothing in a post, and it is starting to rub me the wrong way. How experienced are you, swang? I don't seem to recall that from the latest game.

@Charle, yes, talking back and forth is the M.O. for town D1. We have nothing to go on, so we poke and scratch to see if anything is immediately under the surface. It's good stuff to have in mind for later days, so that you can check if people's playstyles change. I'd even go as far as to say that it's anti-town to want to speed things up.

I've played a couple games way back like 10-15 years ago. Then the last game I played was the Tick. So not too experienced tho I had fun reading the prison and school games.

And I don't think I always said nothing. Earlier me voltanic and sonic were working out the math on towns odds. Just right now there's not so much to go on

[Charle]

Exactly Swang, there is nothing going on giving us any further clues to work on. I do not understand how it is anti-town when I try to help town to get some direction without us reaching a deadline and ending loosing a day. If we do not get any result today, by BT and lynch and hopefully a claim as well, that will be an advantage to the Thing.

[Ragian]

I can absolutely appreciate that your approach to solutions is math-based. Mafia, however, is much more than that. It's a game in which you talk, you poke, you repeat, and what not in order to see what sticks. You need people to talk to be able to refer back to what they've said earlier. Catching people in contradictions or similar is a way to weed out scum (or Things).

Moving a game forward needlessly quickly stifles exactly that. Therefore it is anti-town.

I have noted that several people are eager to move the game forward relying solely on BT. I am just stating that I find that a bad call. We're in no rush. I want Degaston, amongst others, to contribute more.

[Charle]

I can absolutely appreciate that your approach to solutions is math-based. Mafia, however, is much more than that. It's a game in which you talk, you poke, you repeat, and what not in order to see what sticks. You need people to talk to be able to refer back to what they've said earlier. Catching people in contradictions or similar is a way to weed out scum (or Things).

Moving a game forward needlessly quickly stifles exactly that. Therefore it is anti-town.

I have noted that several people are eager to move the game forward relying solely on BT. I am just stating that I find that a bad call. We're in no rush. I want Degaston, amongst others, to contribute more.

Point taken, I am new to this and appreciate the explanation.

[SoN!c]

I can absolutely appreciate that your approach to solutions is math-based. Mafia, however, is much more than that. It's a game in which you talk, you poke, you repeat, and what not in order to see what sticks. You need people to talk to be able to refer back to what they've said earlier. Catching people in contradictions or similar is a way to weed out scum (or Things).

Moving a game forward needlessly quickly stifles exactly that. Therefore it is anti-town.

I have noted that several people are eager to move the game forward relying solely on BT. I am just stating that I find that a bad call. We're in no rush. I want Degaston, amongst others, to contribute more.

Ragian is absolutely right. We have to make the most of D1. And since DDS said he was on holiday untill 2 november we have time for sure. But given the slow pace this is going i don't think we will be able to get a BT by tomorrow.

So i went back to the rules section and found this:
9. Lengths of days depend on moderators. Usually they are indefinite until the game starts dragging and then the moderator enforces a deadline.
(I will implement a deadline if there is a lack of direction/deadlock).

= We are safe untill we get a mod deadline.

And we need to hear Degaston first.

FP by Charle

[Ragian]

@Charle, let's say you were The Thing: How would you act? What would your M.O. be?

[Charle]

@Charle, let's say you were The Thing: How would you act? What would your M.O. be?

I was thinking about that actually, I will probably want to be lying low, or try and create a false identity. But you are absolutely right, the longer we can prolong this, the more info we can probably gather as you explained. Having said this, there comes a time where everybody just talk in circles and we are not getting any further.

[degaston]

I'm trying to catch up today. I'll probably post a little bit at a time, since I keep getting interrupted.

The first thing I want to address is how many Things there are right now, because I don't feel like there is a consensus on this.

First:

The signup thread said Thing starts with one conversion of his choice and a night conversion. So I'm not sure what's the random conversion that got eliminated?

Had to get rid of it due to a lower player count. Shitty move on my end but with 2 less players, town would lose on d2 if their play isn't immaculate. Strike is right.

I read this as The Thing got to choose someone to convert before the game started, and that DDS was originally going to have a random conversion and a night conversion, but eliminated the random conversion.

Then:

We now know it's just 1 Thing to find so we have extra time since "point of no return" will be D4.

@Sonic, how did you come to the conclusion that there's only one Thing?
Does everyone else agree with Sonic?

[strike wolf]

I think we're kind of at the circles phase. I'll BT Degaston to see if a bit of pressure has an influence.

[degaston]

Umm... nevermind. I see that DDS's "strike is right" is in reference to this:

People seem to be overlooking what DDS actually said here. Looks like he's saying he got rid of the element of The Thing having a day 1 conversion. So we'd just be looking for The Thing. DDS, if I'm wrong please clarify.

So I guess the "random conversion" is the same thing as the pre-game conversion.

[SoN!c]

Umm... nevermind. I see that DDS's "strike is right" is in reference to this:

People seem to be overlooking what DDS actually said here. Looks like he's saying he got rid of the element of The Thing having a day 1 conversion. So we'd just be looking for The Thing. DDS, if I'm wrong please clarify.

So I guess the "random conversion" is the same thing as the pre-game conversion.

You are back were we where 5 days ago. That topic was concluded as 1 Thing only.

Like the topic it would be actually good to get a BT. Then that topic was re-opened again..

If you wanna re-open the 1 or 2 Things debate then please do.

Time is on our side after all.

[degaston]

You are back were we where 5 days ago. That topic was concluded as 1 Thing only.

Like the topic it would be actually good to get a BT. Then that topic was re-opened again..

If you wanna re-open the 1 or 2 Things debate then please do.

Time is on our side after all.

As I said, I'm trying to catch up, so sorry if I bring up things that are already resolved, but there's a lot to go through.
The "Nevermind" indicated that I no longer wish to re-open this topic.

I see no reason not to do a BT on someone, though I don't know who yet.

My preference right now would be not to do a random lynch if the BT comes back negative. The odds at this point seem much more likely that we'd hit a townie.

[SoN!c]

Well, a few days back "not reading" would have put you on my "town list". Now i think its more a strategy to make people think you were not reading.. i do hope you understand.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Flying back tomorrow, if nothing happens I'll set a deadline.

[Ragian]

Cheers, Charle. So if that would be your M.O. Who would you point to that fits the bill?

[SoN!c]

Flying back tomorrow, if nothing happens I'll set a deadline.

This is our cue we need to get BT preparations going and speed things up.

For me it's Traf or Deg.

Traf because he jumped away from the BT.

Deg because his posts until now could be a strategy, first asking a lot of mod questions (people will think The Thing will know what to do so asking those questions is a subtile way to say "im not The Thing", then he scored some credability by posting a funny Thing followed by a whole lot of lying low).

Anyways these are the current standings if im not mistaken:

Blood Vote:
(1) Pixar - Swang
(2) Traf - Sonic, Charle
(2) Charle - EW, Pixar
(2) Dega - Ragian, Strike

No vote: Votanic, Deg, Traf (funny thing is these 3 are also my 3 suspects, Votanic for pressing a random vote). And The Thing not voting early to not draw attention is exactly what i would have done if i was The Thing.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Deadline Set: November 10th 10PM UTC -7

[SoN!c]

C'mon guys. At this pace it will be tight to reach deadline.. 1 post a day keeps the doctor away

[TrafalgarLaw01]

BT Dega Cause I think he has have enough time to come up with something but haven't, plus is a good player so sounds a good BT target.

Anyways these are the current standings if im not mistaken:

Blood Vote:
(1) Pixar - Swang
(2) Traf - Sonic, Charle
(2) Charle - EW, Pixar
(2) Dega - Ragian, Strike

No vote: Votanic, Deg, Traf (funny thing is these 3 are also my 3 suspects, Votanic for pressing a random vote). And The Thing not voting early to not draw attention is exactly what i would have done if i was The Thing.

You said something interesting here. I think The thing wpuld not be the first to vote, so That almost rule out Swang, also maybe not the second one so not you. However waiting till to late could also draw attention as it has. I'm BTing Dega cause the reasons said above. But if the thing would want to blend in I think Chalre, Pixar, Ragian and Strike all make a good case.

[Votanic]

Okay, if admitting randomness in a random situation is considered scummy, I will try too parse out the reasons for these BT votes.

This is hard... I have three windows open just to write this post.
Of course, I'm ignoring canceled votes...and if they aren't written in red, forget it.

swang votes Pixar becaue it worked well voting for him first in the last game...

Sonic votes Traf because Traf didn't want to vote for Pixar... and because he was 'silent'.
Charle votes Traf because he agrees with Sonic, and wants to vote for an experienced player.

Both EW & PIxar vote Charle because he keeps trying to start bandwagons.(Charle changed his vote, twice)

Ragian votes Dega because he "isn't adding much" (silent).
Strikewolf votes dega "to see if a bit of pressure has an influence".
Traf votes Dega "Cause I think he has have enough time to come up with something but haven't, plus is a good player so sounds a good BT target".

Well, that's clear as mud.
Experienced players accusing others of being experienced comes off as odd.
Though of course those accusing experienced players (PRESUMABLY) know that they themselves are town but not that the others are.

swang's reason vor voting Pixar has no meaning to me, having not been in the previous game. Does it make sense to players who were in that game?
I would guess not, since nobody else agreed (EW did briefly, but then changed his vote)

So now it is:
Blood Test Vote:
(1) Pixar - Swang
(2) Traf - Sonic, Charle
(2) Charle - EW, Pixar
(3) Dega - Ragian, Strike, Traf

I was hoping to end this post by adding my vote... but no, not yet. There really is nothing to hang my hat on, and I don't want to keep hopping different randwagons and changing my vote.
Causing that kind of confusion does seem scummy to me, though I'm not really pointing a finger at Charle, or anybody else, just saying that it is good not to be fickle.

I was amazed we were given a whole week just to make nothing into something, but maybe it will take that long.

[SoN!c]

Okay, if admitting randomness in a random situation is considered scummy, I will try too parse out the reasons for these BT votes.

This is hard... I have three windows open just to write this post.
Of course, I'm ignoring canceled votes...and if they aren't written in red, forget it.

swang votes Pixar becaue it worked well voting for him first in the last game...

Sonic votes Traf because Traf didn't want to vote for Pixar... and because he was 'silent'.
Charle votes Traf because he agrees with Sonic, and wants to vote for an experienced player.

Both EW & PIxar vote Charle because he keeps trying to start bandwagons.(Charle changed his vote, twice)

Ragian votes Dega because he "isn't adding much" (silent).
Strikewolf votes dega "to see if a bit of pressure has an influence".
Traf votes Dega "Cause I think he has have enough time to come up with something but haven't, plus is a good player so sounds a good BT target".

Well, that's clear as mud.
Experienced players accusing others of being experienced comes off as odd.
Though of course those accusing experienced players (PRESUMABLY) know that they themselves are town but not that the others are.

swang's reason vor voting Pixar has no meaning to me, having not been in the previous game. Does it make sense to players who were in that game?
I would guess not, since nobody else agreed (EW did briefly, but then changed his vote)

So now it is:
Blood Test Vote:
(1) Pixar - Swang
(2) Traf - Sonic, Charle
(2) Charle - EW, Pixar
(3) Dega - Ragian, Strike, Traf

I was hoping to end this post by adding my vote... but no, not yet. There really is nothing to hang my hat on, and I don't want to keep hopping different randwagons and changing my vote.
Causing that kind of confusion does seem scummy to me, though I'm not really pointing a finger at Charle, or anybody else, just saying that it is good not to be fickle.

I was amazed we were given a whole week just to make nothing into something, but maybe it will take that long.

Im not voting Traf atm because Traf didn't wanted to vote for Pixar. If i was i would have voted Pixar myself before that.

Play the game. If we want a random lottery number to pop up we should all buy a lottery ticket. Right? And staying absent is not playing either so come on

We need to get agreement on one BT candidate (needing 6 votes) before deadline day. So C'mon Everybody!

[Votanic]

Sonic might have a point here. Let's do it then. If Ragian tests negative, then we go for a different strategy.

Unvote

BT Ragian

I liked the Ragian theory but that was in the scenario he was the random converted one..

With DDS changing that to only 1 Original Thing it would make no sense for a mod to hint a strong clue (or even draw attention) towards the only player we need to find (because when you do it's game over).

For that reason alone Ragian has to be town. And Strike confirmed the joke thing very quickly. If Strike was The Thing staying silent a bit longer on the matter would be the better play. Only today you can trust 2 players confirming each other.

So i think we have to place Ragian and Strike in the 40% town we need to find. Degaston made a good impression too.

So with that my suspect is Trafalgar. And Trafalgar should have no problem taking the BT because taking the BT means you will stay alive through the entire game.

We would know an experienced player like Trafalgar is not The Thing just like Strike explained.

I feel a BT on Pix is just to easy, would rather BT someone else

This is exactly what i would think Trafalgar would say on D1 when he is The Thing. That and being too silent.

BT Trafalgarlaw01

Ugh, I posted the quote without my commentary.
Forgive me this one edit.

Sonic, this quoted post is why I thought you found Traf not voting Pixar to scummy. Not trying to put words in your mouth.

...However, your actual quotes are eyebrow-raising enough.
Again and again, you make a lot of assumptions about other players actions or motivations, but I can't follow the logic behind it...
You want to me to take a stand, okay I'll point a finger at you.