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Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
Ragian wrote:Whom do you find more scummy, chap? TX or Blacky?
strike wolf wrote:I believe Pika is town. Tobi redirected him and tried to get him lynched even before it was provoked. Only reaso n I see Tobi doing thst to a mafia member is if he didn't know Pika was scum. Thst would go against what I know of the traitor role.
I guess it's possible I healed Buj. I targeted myself (since TX said he was going to heal Buj.) I was told that I found someone who had been poisoned and healed them. I guess this could be Buj as the pm was kinda obscure (It referred to swimming through chum) but didn't say anything to specifically indicate I was redirected or busdriven.
chapcrap wrote:@Pika No, I don't think your plan is good. Again. I'm not changing my mind. Would you vote for Skoffin or Ragian?
chapcrap wrote:Would you vote for Skoffin or Ragian?
Pikanchion wrote:chapcrap wrote:@Pika No, I don't think your plan is good. Again. I'm not changing my mind. Would you vote for Skoffin or Ragian?
Why? Do you dislike my specific implementation or the idea of a mass claim?chapcrap wrote:Would you vote for Skoffin or Ragian?
Maybe, the only person I can't imagine voting for without some sort of drastic revelation is BuJaber at this point. This is more or less why I want a mass claim.
chapcrap wrote:chapcrap wrote:chapcrap wrote:Would you vote for Skoffin or Ragian?
Maybe, the only person I can't imagine voting for without some sort of drastic revelation is BuJaber at this point. This is more or less why I want a mass claim.
What I mean is, which of those two would you choose to vote for if you had to vote for one of them?
chapcrap wrote:Why do you believe BuJ is town so much? It hasn't been confirmed in any way...
The mass claim helps the scum more than the town I think. I think that everyone has basically already claimed anyway. So, aside from the information being more helpful to scum, I also view it as a waste of time.
Ragian wrote:@chap, am I to understand that you can't pick between TX and blacky?
chapcrap wrote:Pika, you could answer the question without revealing information...
How did aage confirm that information? I do not believe that was confirmed. If you have additional information that you don't want to let us in on, then fine. But BuJ has not been confirmed. I'm not sure why he would be trusted more than strike wolf. A role confirmed healer.
Pikanchion wrote:chapcrap wrote:Pika, you could answer the question without revealing information...
How did aage confirm that information? I do not believe that was confirmed. If you have additional information that you don't want to let us in on, then fine. But BuJ has not been confirmed. I'm not sure why he would be trusted more than strike wolf. A role confirmed healer.
I already answered as best I could without revealing further information yesterday.
I can say for certain that aage believed BuJaber was Town on account of his night actions results, this much was claimed directly by aage. I can reasonably infer from my own information that aage wiretapped BuJaber N2, and saw the same night result for BuJaber's action that I saw, this much I explained yesterday.
Need I remind you that we not one but two claimed Healers, both of which I have claimed to be able to partially confirm*? Normally yes, I would trust a claimed (and at least semi-proven) Doctor, but normally we don't also have two claimed Doctors who both seem to be telling at least the partial truth. The verification of BuJaber's role relies primarily on the word of a confirmed Townie (aage), and on what I believe to be fairly conclusive evidence of my own. The verification of each Healer relies more on inferance, and partial evidence of my own.
*If you don't wish to read through, the exact quote is near the bottom of that post: "I and (presumably) strike wolf also, can at least verify that TX AG 90 knows the successful healing feedback. I also know that blacky365 was not lying about being poisoned, and that somebody healed blacky365 on night 2."
chapcrap wrote:I don't think TX has been confirmed by anyone... I'm sure where it says that in your post. strike wolf's healing abilities were confirmed by people and not refuted by TX. TX only has a claim, no confirmation.
As for aage stating BuJ is town, I believe that he believed that. But, at the same time, Tobi is master redirector. I'm a busdriver. ZaB has claimed a redirector role as well... I didn't do anything with aage or BuJ, but one of two could have, which lessens the believability. 3 roles like this is a lot. ZaB's claim of redirection doesn't sit well with me because of Tobi's title and already scum leanings. So, it could be that ZaB is lying and BuJ is town. Those are mutually exclusive. But, I do think ZaB lying make it more likely. So, what I am saying is that from my perspective, BuJ is not confirmed. Alignment or role. If scum believe him to be a confirmed town, why wouldn't have just gone ahead and killed him already? They've had a couple of nights to do it?
Anyway, that was just a lot of rambling thoughts typed out.
chapcrap wrote:I didn't do anything with aage or BuJ, but one of two could have, which lessens the believability. 3 roles like this is a lot. ZaB's claim of redirection doesn't sit well with me because of Tobi's title and already scum leanings. So, it could be that ZaB is lying and BuJ is town.
BuJaber wrote:Well I nominated blacky and blacky refused to add more to his claim.
And I told everyone that the day start message from the mod literally tells everyone that they were not able to choose their target, this has been confirmed by several players already who stated they ended up at someone other than who they targetted, including me. But blacky still seems to think they targetted skoffin and I don't know if that's him telling us he got confirmation from the mod that it was skoffin who wasn't his target, or if he's claiming he targetted skoffin and ended up actually targetting skoffin.
He also didn't full claim everything including actions of all nights in one clear post which is the whole point of Pika's exercise.
So what is the next step?
BuJaber wrote:Well I nominated blacky and blacky refused to add more to his claim.
So what is the next step?
Pikanchion wrote:BuJaber wrote:Well I nominated blacky and blacky refused to add more to his claim.
So what is the next step?
You skipped a couple of steps.
—First, people agree to the plan (6+ players)
—Second, somebody is chosen to make the first nomination (general agreement or first past the post vote)
—Third, first claimer is nominated
—Fourth, first claimer claims and nominates a second or is lynched
—Fifth, second claimer claims and nominates a third or is lynched
—etc.
Jumping straight to the third step and expecting the fourth does not work because it relies upon (at the very least) agreement on the first step.
blacky365 wrote:I have no problem with this plan and more than happy to share all when my turn comes.
However, I fear that the biggest issue we will have with this multi step plan is the time it will take to agree on anything.
First step requires a nomination for an individual and then 5 others to join the vote.
To get a general consensus for this may take the entire day and then we will have learned nothing.
Razorvich wrote:
- Lengths of days depends on us. Usually they are indefinite until the game starts dragging, and then there will be an enforced deadline.
Pikanchion wrote:blacky365 wrote:I have no problem with this plan and more than happy to share all when my turn comes.
However, I fear that the biggest issue we will have with this multi step plan is the time it will take to agree on anything.
First step requires a nomination for an individual and then 5 others to join the vote.
To get a general consensus for this may take the entire day and then we will have learned nothing.
Time should not be a factor to consider unless people keep pushing against the plan to the point a deadline is announced.Razorvich wrote:
- Lengths of days depends on us. Usually they are indefinite until the game starts dragging, and then there will be an enforced deadline.
Once the plan is in motion and we are clearly in the process of doing something that will yield results we should not have a deadline imposed upon us.
Ragian wrote:Blacky is not a healer. He would have said as much. Chap is not a healer. He would have said as much. TX must be the healer. Therefore - and I have the mod's word here - one of Blacky and Chap is scum. Moreover, TX is town.
Ragian wrote:I had a result, indeed, and - as perhaps you have seen me say before today - I was, like SW (I think?) - told that I did not go to my original targets. Instead I received random targets, but these targets were mentioned to me.
And yes, I used my Bonus Night Ability, which was an investigative action. I investigated you three, and because there was a healer present, I investigated the remaining two (of whom there is one scum). Had there been no healer present, I would have poisoned two out of the three![]()
Therefore, I chose SW (strongly believing he is a healer), blacky (something stoof out), and Pika (I've been suspicious of Pika for a long time), but only blacky remained one of my targets after tonights clusterfudge.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
strike wolf wrote:My role PM didn't specifically mention being redirected. Just that I was out and saw the chum and sharks (presumably) and went for cover. There I saw someone poisoned and healed them. I had targeted myself last night so I had assumed that it could just a weird wording for healing myself (I've yet to have two nights with the same feedback from the mod) but with Buj healed it seems I was redirected to target him or busdriven.
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