INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[Pikanchion]

Can we have the rules of this planned out?

Do I just need to provide the info once I have a certain number of votes?
And do I then nominate whoever I want?
Do I need to provide a reason for nominating the next person?

And exactly what information do you want me to provide?

Everything. Role Title, Night Action Role, Action, Bonus Action, Species, Favourite Food, what you did and whom you targeted each night. Even if you stated this information before you should state it again.

You can nominate anybody who has not already claimed during the mass claim (even if they previously claimed pretty much everything), you do not need to provide a reason (although after the mass claim is complete be prepared to defend your choice). You should (once we have majority agreement for a mass claim) provide the information as soon as you are nominated, if you wait for people to be voting for you it defeats the point of even doing this over a regular lynch.

[blacky365]

What do you call a majority agreement and who is in charge of the vote count?

Either way, I nominate you (pika) to go first, as this is your idea.

[Pikanchion]

Majority agreement is six people saying they agree to do this... If you nominate me you're saying you think I'm the most scummy, why would you ever agree to the plan then?

[BuJaber]

@Blacky - even if you didn't get told in your night result PM from the mod that you were redirected you had the ability to read the mod's post in the thread before you posted your first post today.

[BuJaber]

Ragian is your night result that it there is ONLY 1 scum between them, or should we also consider that both could be scum?

One of the two that is not the healer is scum. Would've been nice had it been both...

So it isn't at least 1 scum between them. Such a shame. I don't like 50-50s so late in the game.

[blacky365]

Majority agreement is six people saying they agree to do this... If you nominate me you're saying you think I'm the most scummy, why would you ever agree to the plan then?

I nominated you based on the fact that being the one to suggest this you should be prepared to declare first.

However not because I think you are scum, which I don’t.

So my nomination would be chap, seeing as the likely candidates for lynch are me and him based of rages night action.

So from the way I understand this, I will claim when the time comes, but if anyone at any time decides not to claim for whatever reason, he will be lynched automatically?
I find it hard to see how this plays out fairly but I’m all for trying

[Skoffin]

Referring to earlier comments

The whole point of traitor is to pull attention away from the mafia-team. One tactic for that is for trasitor to attract a cop to them to waste a investigation, and cop claims with the scum result. Lose a traitor but nullify a cop in the process. Traitors can and do appear as scum on results. But there are variations to the role, both in terms of whether traitor appears as scum or town on investigations but also in terms of how much traitor/mafia know of each other. So either tobi was the scum result, or if he wasn't then that still leaves ragoo as the scum.. or chap as a liar. Either way I find it absolutely inconceivable that chap came out at me today not knowing what a traitor is. I simple cannot imagine he wouldn't at least google the damn role when he saw the flip. Even if he really did not know the role or google it, which I don't believe, he at minimum would have seen that Tobi showed up as a role different to what he claimed. I think he needs to explain himself.

Anyway I am pretty sure someone asked me a question last night but I can't find it again now (I'm sick af leave me alone gosh) so anything in particular just ask again

I'll weigh in on more of the other discussions when I have time, but concerning pika's plan; from a technical perspective his plan is likely the best way to actually root out scum, however I am against it on a personal level as I find those sorts of plays defeat the whole purpose of playing the game.

Either this is "I want to lose because I prefer to scumhunt than to use solid evidence" or "I don't want to claim because my role and actions are highly suspect". One is bad play, the other is scummy.

We could win almost every single game just by mass claiming day 1. But that would defeat the purpose of playing. Effective yes, fun no.

[ZaBeast]

@skoff
Tobi's title was town traitor, but his ability was what he claimed, misdirect master (so the reason BuJ didn't land on mets still hasn't been cleared up)
He was scum-aligned but with the same color as the other townies so I would assume he would come out as town to an "alignment cop" (dunno the actual name)
The question I asked you was do you have an explanation for the flavour of the night action results and day scene if it was caused by your action?

[Pikanchion]

I'll weigh in on more of the other discussions when I have time, but concerning pika's plan; from a technical perspective his plan is likely the best way to actually root out scum, however I am against it on a personal level as I find those sorts of plays defeat the whole purpose of playing the game.

Either this is "I want to lose because I prefer to scumhunt than to use solid evidence" or "I don't want to claim because my role and actions are highly suspect". One is bad play, the other is scummy.

We could win almost every single game just by mass claiming day 1. But that would defeat the purpose of playing. Effective yes, fun no.

If your setup can be broken in favour of Town by everybody claiming day one your setup is poorly designed.

[chapcrap]

Referring to earlier comments

The whole point of traitor is to pull attention away from the mafia-team. One tactic for that is for trasitor to attract a cop to them to waste a investigation, and cop claims with the scum result. Lose a traitor but nullify a cop in the process. Traitors can and do appear as scum on results. But there are variations to the role, both in terms of whether traitor appears as scum or town on investigations but also in terms of how much traitor/mafia know of each other. So either tobi was the scum result, or if he wasn't then that still leaves ragoo as the scum.. or chap as a liar. Either way I find it absolutely inconceivable that chap came out at me today not knowing what a traitor is. I simple cannot imagine he wouldn't at least google the damn role when he saw the flip. Even if he really did not know the role or google it, which I don't believe, he at minimum would have seen that Tobi showed up as a role different to what he claimed. I think he needs to explain himself.

I did not search the internet for anything. Google, Yahoo, Bing, or even Alta Vista. I do not know why I would. He was shown as a Town Traitor. Town. strike wolf thinks the same thing that I thought. So does ZaB. He would show up as a town on investigation.

Rage, It's weird that I ask about stuff you have written? I missed your clarification. Initially, you were saying that TX could be one of the scum... Regardless, I don't know why people are giving more credence to Ragian's investigation over mine. I guess I'm not good with words not come across as scummy. I'm not the claimed poisoner with no night action. The more I think about it, the more that I think it must be Ragian who is the scum on my investigation. Skoffin has acted scummier, but Ragian has claimed to have no night action, when everyone has something. He claims to have went for food twice and failed twice with no repercussions, even though the mod clearly states that there are repercussions.

Let's just do the mass claim thing. Majority seem to be on board. I'm not really, but I'm tired of arguing about it.

[Ragian]

So, Skoffin doesn't accuse you, but I do, so now you're thinking that I'm scum over Skoffin? Nice

I don't get why blacky isn't voting for chap, though...

[blacky365]

I don't get why blacky isn't voting for chap, though...

I cant work out this game or how to play it!

Had I voted Chap after your initial claim, I would have been accused of being scum for voting too quickly.
So I decided to wait and see how others may view this.

Also, by me agreeing to your claim it means that should Chap flip town then i am an automatic lynch next day. But you could be scum and playing us to get two townies lynched... so IDK

[Skoffin]

I did not search the internet for anything. Google, Yahoo, Bing, or even Alta Vista. I do not know why I would. He was shown as a Town Traitor. Town. strike wolf thinks the same thing that I thought. So does ZaB. He would show up as a town on investigation.

No they don't. Strike recognised traitor as still a scummy role. YOU reacted as if I had actually lead a lynch on a townie and not a mafia-aligned player. You were even mad about it. Come on. You're now just trying to save face.

[Skoffin]

@skoff
Tobi's title was town traitor, but his ability was what he claimed, misdirect master (so the reason BuJ didn't land on mets still hasn't been cleared up)
He was scum-aligned but with the same color as the other townies so I would assume he would come out as town to an "alignment cop" (dunno the actual name)
The question I asked you was do you have an explanation for the flavour of the night action results and day scene if it was caused by your action?

So I am reasonably sure that the scene, stirred up waters etc that everyone is seeing is all from my role - however the way the scene is worded is baffling to me as it makes it seem like this move may benefit sharks somehow? My move outright states that it randomises ALL non-kill actions and blocks all kill actions. Unless this is a trigger for scum getting a bonus I'm not sure what to make of it.

[Ragian]

I don't get why blacky isn't voting for chap, though...

I cant work out this game or how to play it!

Had I voted Chap after your initial claim, I would have been accused of being scum for voting too quickly.
So I decided to wait and see how others may view this.

Also, by me agreeing to your claim it means that should Chap flip town then i am an automatic lynch next day. But you could be scum and playing us to get two townies lynched... so IDK

Fair enough.

[Skoffin]

I'm leaning chaps as scum. Discuss

Also can we get a mod prod on Serius?

[TX AG 90]

So based on Chap and Ragian's investigative claims, can we conclude one of the following?

1. They are both town, making blacky scum
2. Chap is town and Ragian is scum making blacky unknown, but likely town (Ragian wouldn't paint him as scum otherwise)
3. Ragian is town and Chap is scum making blacky Town
4. Doubtful Ragian and Chap are both scum, otherwise Ragian wouldn't be pointing a 50/50 finger at Chap/Blacky (unless there are 2 scum teams, then this is still a possibility)
5. All 3 can't be Town
6. Al 3 probably aren't scum (unless there are 2 teams)

I know many think skoffin is acting scummy (and this rookie agrees), but maybe we should just focus on sniffing out one of the above 3.

[Pikanchion]

Ragian and strike wolf: Have either of you had messages about a light in the deep on more than one occasion?

[Pikanchion]

So, uh... We all just waiting for Sirius Kase to make an appearance now? =P

[strike wolf]

*Double checks* No mention of a light in the deep. Closest I have is I lost vision during night 2 and felt like I was safe and my target was safe but nothing about a light in the deep or darkness.

[Sirius Kase]

I'm back, thanks for not lynching or killing me. I'll be catching up, so won't post much for awhile.

[Skoffin]

Nothing is happening

[Ragian]

Hung over here...

So, from my point of view, either chap or blacky is scum, but as beast said, it's a 50/50 call. And as TX says, one of the three of us (chap, blacky, and yours truly) is scum, most likely making the remaining two town. So, there's that.

Now I'll go check if I have seen any light from the deep *plays waiting music*

Nope...no lights. I mostly swim around in darkness it seems. What's the light about?

@Skoffin, what do you want happening? Have you asked any question that people need to reply to? Have you given any useful insight apart from three different roles?

[Skoffin]

I'm happy to place my vote somewhere if we're ready for that stage yolo

[Razorvich]

Mod Note:... just got home from a cousins wedding.... too pissed for a vote count... it will come at around 03:00 CC time tomorrow