INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[Pikanchion]

So, we have Pika wiretapper and Blacky the maybe cop. Who do we trust?

Why not trust aage, the confirmed Town?

[Sirius Kase]

BuJaber did your PM N2 contain more information than the version myself and aage recieved? From my end it does not look like you were misdirected... Ours was three lines of text for the night ability, followed by the five lines of the bonus ability.

I got 2 lines of text.

Do you mean two in addition to the three I refer to or that you received only two that were not part of the bonus ability?

I mean I got only 2 lines of text, followed by the bonus ability description.

,

I keep coming back to this. Is it possible that Pika is counting more than one PM? I mean wiretappers get all PM's from or to the target.

[TX AG 90]

So, we have Pika wiretapper and Blacky the maybe cop. Who do we trust?

Why not trust aage, the confirmed Town?

It's not about trusting aage, it's just without knowing WHY aage thought BJ was town, we don't know if he was mistaken or not (and he's too dead to ask). There have been tons of incorrect assumptions made so far and that could have been one of them.

Someone mentioned that scum may have targeted aage that night because he misaligned BJ and they wanted to lock in the dying man's last words as a misdirect play. Totally plausible.

[Skoffin]

I think pufferfish needs to claim first - they at least tell us something about blacky.

Out of interest, how many credits can you people win?

[ZaBeast]

@Sirius you haven't said who you think is scummiest at this point. If we were to do the mass claim, who would you want to claim first and why?
I'll hold on any results I may have until the matter of whether we do a mass claiming is sorted out.
And about that, I'm fine with a mass claim actually. Some of the scummiest are the ones against it so I guess they lose the most from it. The only ones who haven't claimed something yet are Pika and BuJ so there's not much to lose on town's side (even if I think we won't catch scum directly, it would clear up some of the confusion about the results I think and help us make a more enlightened choice).

Buns explanation for how he was healed matches up almost 100% with how it was written in my night result.

You mean BuJ's right?

[blacky365]

I think pufferfish needs to claim first - they at least tell us something about blacky.

Not sure what you mean by this?
I can only go of the information provided by the mod.

@Pika... if we are going to do the mass claim, I think you should compile a list of who has agreed to it and who has nominated for who.

[Pikanchion]

@Pika... if we are going to do the mass claim, I think you should compile a list of who has agreed to it and who has nominated for who.

The last time I did that I got pushback, from you no less (despite you having said you were "fine with this [plan]" just a couple of pages prior). Clearly, I can't take people being merely fine with stuff as support, so I recently asked who is actually in favour of it and received a favourable response from Ragian, before several posts from others effectively either pushing against it/trying to delay without explicitly stating a position like TX AG 90, you, or Sirius Kase. Skoffin's position is not entirely clear and her play somewhat erratic in the last day (what was this?)

I am in favour of my plan (obviously), BuJaber is, I think strike wolf is too. Ragian is at least in favour of a mass claim, same for ZaBeast. TX AG 90 has sort of supported it in at least one post, chapcrap is sort of on board now, and blacky365 was fine with the plan until I took this as support for the plan (see above). That just leaves two, Skoffin who now seems to want a mass claim of a different type despite having argued against all day, I can only take her actions as a deliberate attempt to create chaos either out of boredom—because "it would be more fun", supposedly—or to purposely hurt Town's chances. Sirius Kase, meanwhile, who appears to be fine with the plan if we have a confirmed Town to make the first pick, seems to dispute whether BuJaber counts as such and so instead wants specific players and roles to claim (who of course would have to claim in a mass claim anyway).

Either we take this as 8+ in favour and you claim now blacky365, or we get explicit support from the five or so people who sort of maybe support it first so they can't back out when somebody decides they don't want to claim on their turn, and so we actually have a clear claim-or-be-lynched situation for the ordered mass claim.


inb4 everybody disputes the quoted posts as being support for the plan...

[Pikanchion]

Here is a handy template if you do decide to claim...

Role Title:
—
Night Action Role:
Night Action:

Bonus Action:

—
Favourite Food:
Species:
—
N1 Action & Results:

—
N2 Action & Results:

—
N3 Action & Results:

—
N4 Action & Results:

—
Other Information:
—
Nomination for the next player to claim:

[Skoffin]

I support mass claim, I just don't want to do the order thingymajog. Everyone just claim and be over with it.

I claim pufferfish

[blacky365]

@Pika... if we are going to do the mass claim, I think you should compile a list of who has agreed to it and who has nominated for who.

The last time I did that I got pushback, from you no less (despite you having said you were "fine with this [plan]" just a couple of pages prior). Clearly, I can't take people being merely fine with stuff as support, so I recently asked who is actually in favour of it and received a favourable response from Ragian, before several posts from others effectively either pushing against it/trying to delay without explicitly stating a position like TX AG 90, you, or Sirius Kase. Skoffin's position is not entirely clear and her play somewhat erratic in the last day (what was this?)

I am in favour of my plan (obviously), BuJaber is, I think strike wolf is too. Ragian is at least in favour of a mass claim, same for ZaBeast. TX AG 90 has sort of supported it in at least one post, chapcrap is sort of on board now, and blacky365 was fine with the plan until I took this as support for the plan (see above). That just leaves two, Skoffin who now seems to want a mass claim of a different type despite having argued against all day, I can only take her actions as a deliberate attempt to create chaos either out of boredom—because "it would be more fun", supposedly—or to purposely hurt Town's chances. Sirius Kase, meanwhile, who appears to be fine with the plan if we have a confirmed Town to make the first pick, seems to dispute whether BuJaber counts as such and so instead wants specific players and roles to claim (who of course would have to claim in a mass claim anyway).

Either we take this as 8+ in favour and you claim now blacky365, or we get explicit support from the five or so people who sort of maybe support it first so they can't back out when somebody decides they don't want to claim on their turn, and so we actually have a clear claim-or-be-lynched situation for the ordered mass claim.


inb4 everybody disputes the quoted posts as being support for the plan...

Ok so the quotes you have here of me are not opposing your plan, its just me giving my opinion. Also, alot of the time I may make a comment in support or against but as devils advocate, its not a simple case of saying yeah great idea or no it isnt. Im trying to be rational and discuss it rather than being really black or white. You are not allowing for debate, you are saying that we either support you or we dont.

But what the hell... my claim is coming shortly.

[blacky365]

I support mass claim, I just don't want to do the order thingymajog. Everyone just claim and be over with it.

I claim pufferfish

Erm, so are you saying that my night result was correct?

[TX AG 90]

I support mass claim, I just don't want to do the order thingymajog. Everyone just claim and be over with it.

I claim pufferfish

No, it needs to be orderly, otherwise we have a giant Charlie Foxtrot.

[Skoffin]

Blacky why is your fake claim taking so long? You newbies need to learn to plan that shit from Day1 lol

I support mass claim, I just don't want to do the order thingymajog. Everyone just claim and be over with it.

I claim pufferfish

Erm, so are you saying that my night result was correct?

Well if no one counter claims me, then I guess so.

[Ragian]

Looking forward to hearing it, Blacky. And whom you'll nominate to go next. Also, skoffin hasn't claimed. When you are asked to claim, skofster, use the handy template.

[Skoffin]

No

[blacky365]

Role Title: Town Investigator
—
Night Action Role: Investigator
Night Action: Investigate 1 player, revealing their species name and night action role

Bonus Action: Investigate 2 players

—
Favourite Food: Any tiny fish
Species: Seahorse (this is my species and not my fave food species)
—
N1 Action & Results: Investigate Strike, no result and was poisoned
—
N2 Action & Results: Investigate Ragian, no result possible due to after effects from poisoning. This is the night I was healed
—
N3 Action & Results: Investigate Aage, no result due to murky water
—
N4 Action & Results: Investigate Skoffin, result was pufferfish & passive healer
—
Other Information:
—
Nomination for the next player to claim: Chapcrap, as much as I want to say Skoff, i feel the attention given to Rages claim need a full claim by me and Chap.

[blacky365]

Blacky why is your fake claim taking so long? You newbies need to learn to plan that shit from Day1 lol

I support mass claim, I just don't want to do the order thingymajog. Everyone just claim and be over with it.

I claim pufferfish

Erm, so are you saying that my night result was correct?

Well if no one counter claims me, then I guess so.

So first you say that my night result was incorrect and now you are saying its correct because no one counter claimed?
man, u are so full of sh*t! Either you are pufferfish or you are not.

EBWOP Sorry, forgot to add that I work full time and have not had much chance to post till now.

[strike wolf]

I asked the mod about End Game Bonus credits (as at least one of my end game credit bonuses relies upon the alignment of another player, effectively turning that bonus into a free Cop result if triggered) and was told that players will only be informed about whether they were successful in completing any upon the game's conclusion so I have doubts as to jfm10 truly knowing for certain about any player's alignment unless it was a standard part of the role. A poisoning Vigilante who is also a Cop seems rather unlikely to me.

This doesn't really go with what I was told. I had 2 bonus conditions. The first, to heal two targets from poisoning (with Blacky claiming he tried to target Rage N2, I wonder if him getting poisoned again would count as two heals from my perspective...will ask the mod but he hasn't been very forthcoming on that front with me so I'm not sure if I'll get a straight answer. Could also explain why he thought he was role blocked). I was told from the beginning that my second bonus would be revealed when I achieved my first bonus which I was informed N2 (though it did not appear in my N3 or N4 role PM. HOWEVER, JFM still should not have received any confirmation that he poisoned town based on bonus conditions because the second part of his bonus condition for the townie to be healed ha dnt been met (It's also possible that Razor at some point decided that those whose bonus conditions may be used as investigations shouldn't be told because the game already has enough investigators and healers so anything that could accidentally function thst way should be limited to give mafia more of a chance). It's possible that's why he believed the healing was a day action as he stated a few times day 2 or considering he's a known liar, it seems just as likely he was talking out of his ass.

Buj, maybe you've already said this but could you remind me if you were able to perform an action the night you were poisoned?

The skoffin-Blacky back and forth is weird. I will have to look more into it but right now, I'd say it makes Skoffin look a bit suspect.

For what it's worth, I concur on Chap going next.

[TX AG 90]

I asked the mod about End Game Bonus credits (as at least one of my end game credit bonuses relies upon the alignment of another player, effectively turning that bonus into a free Cop result if triggered) and was told that players will only be informed about whether they were successful in completing any upon the game's conclusion so I have doubts as to jfm10 truly knowing for certain about any player's alignment unless it was a standard part of the role. A poisoning Vigilante who is also a Cop seems rather unlikely to me.

This doesn't really go with what I was told. I had 2 bonus conditions. The first, to heal two targets from poisoning (with Blacky claiming he tried to target Rage N2, I wonder if him getting poisoned again would count as two heals from my perspective...will ask the mod but he hasn't been very forthcoming on that front with me so I'm not sure if I'll get a straight answer. Could also explain why he thought he was role blocked). I was told from the beginning that my second bonus would be revealed when I achieved my first bonus which I was informed N2 (though it did not appear in my N3 or N4 role PM. HOWEVER, JFM still should not have received any confirmation that he poisoned town based on bonus conditions because the second part of his bonus condition for the townie to be healed ha dnt been met (It's also possible that Razor at some point decided that those whose bonus conditions may be used as investigations shouldn't be told because the game already has enough investigators and healers so anything that could accidentally function thst way should be limited to give mafia more of a chance). It's possible that's why he believed the healing was a day action as he stated a few times day 2 or considering he's a known liar, it seems just as likely he was talking out of his ass.

Buj, maybe you've already said this but could you remind me if you were able to perform an action the night you were poisoned?

The skoffin-Blacky back and forth is weird. I will have to look more into it but right now, I'd say it makes Skoffin look a bit suspect.

For what it's worth, I concur on Chap going next.

Skoffin has asked to be lynched before and is now acting like she wants to get lynched. I wonder if her bonus credits are tied up in that somehow.

[TX AG 90]

OK pika,

Chap is on the clock. How much time does he get?

[TX AG 90]

Role Title: Town Investigator
—
Night Action Role: Investigator
Night Action: Investigate 1 player, revealing their species name and night action role

Bonus Action: Investigate 2 players

—
Favourite Food: Any tiny fish
Species: Seahorse (this is my species and not my fave food species)
—
N1 Action & Results: Investigate Strike, no result and was poisoned
—
N2 Action & Results: Investigate Ragian, no result possible due to after effects from poisoning. This is the night I was healed

blacky,

You say your N1 result was "No Result". Was it worded like that or was it that you never got a chance to perform your night action because you were poisoned 1st?


—
N3 Action & Results: Investigate Aage, no result due to murky water
—
N4 Action & Results: Investigate Skoffin, result was pufferfish & passive healer
—
Other Information:
—
Nomination for the next player to claim: Chapcrap, as much as I want to say Skoff, i feel the attention given to Rages claim need a full claim by me and Chap.

[TX AG 90]

Role Title: Town Investigator
—
Night Action Role: Investigator
Night Action: Investigate 1 player, revealing their species name and night action role

Bonus Action: Investigate 2 players

—
Favourite Food: Any tiny fish
Species: Seahorse (this is my species and not my fave food species)
—
N1 Action & Results: Investigate Strike, no result and was poisoned
—
N2 Action & Results: Investigate Ragian, no result possible due to after effects from poisoning. This is the night I was healed



blacky,

You say your N1 result was "No Result". Was it worded like that or was it that you never got a chance to perform your night action because you were poisoned 1st?


—
N3 Action & Results: Investigate Aage, no result due to murky water
—
N4 Action & Results: Investigate Skoffin, result was pufferfish & passive healer
—
Other Information:
—
Nomination for the next player to claim: Chapcrap, as much as I want to say Skoff, i feel the attention given to Rages claim need a full claim by me and Chap.

Somehow this got Embedded in Quote:

blacky,

You say your N1 result was "No Result". Was it worded like that or was it that you never got a chance to perform your night action because you were poisoned 1st?

[blacky365]

The skoffin-Blacky back and forth is weird. I will have to look more into it but right now, I'd say it makes Skoffin look a bit suspect.

For what it's worth, I concur on Chap going next.

Skoffin has asked to be lynched before and is now acting like she wants to get lynched. I wonder if her bonus credits are tied up in that somehow.[/quote]

@Strike I don’t understand why you call this a ‘skoffin-blacky back and forth’ surely everyone can see how she has been erratic and posting conflicting things since day 1? I’m just surprised I’m the only one picking up on it.
Why is everyone oblivious to her and giving her a free ride? I’ve seen ppl lynched far quicker for far less.

[blacky365]

blacky,

You say your N1 result was "No Result". Was it worded like that or was it that you never got a chance to perform your night action because you were poisoned 1st?

The response was as I described earlier... I could see my target in the distance and as I was swimming towards it I felt a pain on the side and I was poisoned.

[TX AG 90]

blacky,

You say your N1 result was "No Result". Was it worded like that or was it that you never got a chance to perform your night action because you were poisoned 1st?

The response was as I described earlier... I could see my target in the distance and as I was swimming towards it I felt a pain on the side and I was poisoned.

Ok, that's different than No Result. You never got to perform your action.