The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[Ragian]

Alright. I'm caught up...

re: Charle

Man I am learning a lot here, lots to take in for a first game, but very interesting1

What have you learned? What is interesting? Make some statements.

Guys, sorry that I am so quiet, I am new to this and believe me I am reading everything every day.

I read a bit through google and thinking that there is a chance that Loose could have sacrificed his vote to reveal another player's role, therefore makes him a townie and a good benefit for day 2 if he is alive?

This feels like a genuine effort, though.

re: Razor
- Hasn't posted since I asked what he was on about. He talked about me being a grammar nazi. Did you just disappear, Razor? Also, what's with the point about Pepe? It doesn't make any sense. All it indicates is that whenever you mod, you have a special role for the last person to enter.

re: Max
- Has done this in every game so far. Instead of looking at what people say, he waits for something mechanical in the game. This is counterproductive to scumhunting. It hasn't been indicative of scumminess so far, though. I just think it's bad play.

re: Pixar
- I'm really on the fence here. I think the wagon on Pix was lame. Joke votes that all of the sudden turned into L-2. Especially, as mentioned, I disliked the vote from General Bax. However, I don't like it when people don't claim at L-2. It sets a bad precedent.

re: Bax
- I don't like that he just votes and then disappears. I know he did so in Prison mafia, too, but I don't feel right just letting that go. It's still counterproductive play. It's bad for town.

re: Darin
- Being defensive is kinda Darin's MO. I don't scumread him based on this. He was doctor in the last game, and he was defensive there, too. As opposed to my thoughts about Bax, however, it's not bad for town (even if some might find it tedious).

This, however, feels a bit off:

Joke stage is still going on. I think it's funny that 7 of you at one point want me dead already

I just want a claim

Vote Pixar

re: Loose
- While I guess that all roles can be all alignments based on the mod's mood, I can't see how a player not being able to vote could be scum. Unless something else has been modified to balance things out. I like Trafalgar's questions about why casting it.

re: Son!c
I've mentioned earlier how I wanted clarification on various things, but Son!c did not reply. This, too, made frown:

If we don't lynch Loose before nightfall he will murder. C'mon not being able to vote is so unlike townie's. What more do you want? A written confession by Loose? He did not even deny it, just saying something vague "it will become clear" after the night. With a Smoking gun in his hand at breakfast

This type of statements never sit well with me. It's too convinced. The point about being town is that no one knows any of the other roles. Also, I think it's more likely that Loose is town than scum given his role (as mentioned earlier).

This also rubs me the wrong way: Why give away clues? Don't feed scum a buffet.

Also i play the game like im on character, or try too - giving lots of clues away - yours to find out.. It is The Tick after all.

Turns out Loose is doing the same thing

Hi Sonic,

In the real world I've just woken up and am a bit late to work - so I'll make this short while I ponder your reply.

I too have left breadcrumbs as to my identity in 2 previous posts.

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Conclusions:
I like the following so far:
- Extreme
- Strike
- DDS
- Pixar
- Trafalgar

I'm neutral about
- Darin
- Pepe
- Fusi

I have a hard time reading
- Traffic
- Charle
- Swang
- drake

I'm iffy about
- Loose
- Razor
- Max
- Bax

If I were forced to vote right now, however, I would vote Son!c. I think there's too much character fluff (while it might be fun, it obscures points), and I don't like it when people breadcrumb. Moreover, I don't like players full of accusations ignoring other's questions.

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Now, I need a nap.

[SoN!c]

Alright. I'm caught up...

re: Charle

Man I am learning a lot here, lots to take in for a first game, but very interesting1

What have you learned? What is interesting? Make some statements.

Guys, sorry that I am so quiet, I am new to this and believe me I am reading everything every day.

I read a bit through google and thinking that there is a chance that Loose could have sacrificed his vote to reveal another player's role, therefore makes him a townie and a good benefit for day 2 if he is alive?

This feels like a genuine effort, though.

re: Razor
- Hasn't posted since I asked what he was on about. He talked about me being a grammar nazi. Did you just disappear, Razor? Also, what's with the point about Pepe? It doesn't make any sense. All it indicates is that whenever you mod, you have a special role for the last person to enter.

re: Max
- Has done this in every game so far. Instead of looking at what people say, he waits for something mechanical in the game. This is counterproductive to scumhunting. It hasn't been indicative of scumminess so far, though. I just think it's bad play.

re: Pixar
- I'm really on the fence here. I think the wagon on Pix was lame. Joke votes that all of the sudden turned into L-2. Especially, as mentioned, I disliked the vote from General Bax. However, I don't like it when people don't claim at L-2. It sets a bad precedent.

re: Bax
- I don't like that he just votes and then disappears. I know he did so in Prison mafia, too, but I don't feel right just letting that go. It's still counterproductive play. It's bad for town.

re: Darin
- Being defensive is kinda Darin's MO. I don't scumread him based on this. He was doctor in the last game, and he was defensive there, too. As opposed to my thoughts about Bax, however, it's not bad for town (even if some might find it tedious).

This, however, feels a bit off:

Joke stage is still going on. I think it's funny that 7 of you at one point want me dead already

I just want a claim

Vote Pixar

re: Loose
- While I guess that all roles can be all alignments based on the mod's mood, I can't see how a player not being able to vote could be scum. Unless something else has been modified to balance things out. I like Trafalgar's questions about why casting it.

re: Son!c
I've mentioned earlier how I wanted clarification on various things, but Son!c did not reply. This, too, made frown:

If we don't lynch Loose before nightfall he will murder. C'mon not being able to vote is so unlike townie's. What more do you want? A written confession by Loose? He did not even deny it, just saying something vague "it will become clear" after the night. With a Smoking gun in his hand at breakfast

This type of statements never sit well with me. It's too convinced. The point about being town is that no one knows any of the other roles. Also, I think it's more likely that Loose is town than scum given his role (as mentioned earlier).

This also rubs me the wrong way: Why give away clues? Don't feed scum a buffet.

Also i play the game like im on character, or try too - giving lots of clues away - yours to find out.. It is The Tick after all.

Turns out Loose is doing the same thing

Hi Sonic,

In the real world I've just woken up and am a bit late to work - so I'll make this short while I ponder your reply.

I too have left breadcrumbs as to my identity in 2 previous posts.

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Conclusions:
I like the following so far:
- Extreme
- Strike
- DDS
- Pixar
- Trafalgar

I'm neutral about
- Darin
- Pepe
- Fusi

I have a hard time reading
- Traffic
- Charle
- Swang
- drake

I'm iffy about
- Loose
- Razor
- Max
- Bax

If I were forced to vote right now, however, I would vote Son!c. I think there's too much character fluff (while it might be fun, it obscures points), and I don't like it when people breadcrumb. Moreover, I don't like players full of accusations ignorina g other's questions.

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Now, I need a nap.

I answered your question in the next post.

And i like it a lot when people breadcrumb. Its a game after all.!

Speaking about breadcrumbs, ive been analysing Loose his last post - the one saying he left breadcrumbs in his previous post.

The only word out of order in that post is the word "pounder:.

"I'll pounder.."

Well pounder is cannon vocabulary.

So he could be Human Bullet. "The Human Bullet does not seem to have any powers except for invulnerability because he has been fired into solid objects and survived".

"Although the Human Bullet tries to help in the battle against crime, he has actually ruined a plan once."

Sounds exactly like Loose Cannon don't it?, and giving Loose Cannon the Human Bullet character would be quit the inside joke by the mod.

"Does not have any powers" = not even the power to vote.

Ok this is cleared for me. I poked and got answers.

Unvote loose

Vote pixar.

[Extreme Ways]

If that is indeed the case we got a totally unnecessary claim out of Loose.

@Rag short answer for now, but consider the Jester role for sonic. I'm curious for thoughts on that matter.

[Ragian]

The world of the Tick is good fun: the Tick himself and his perplexed sidekick Arthur (he's a moth, not a bunny, by the way) face off against some really weird and highly mockable villains like the Man-Eating Cow. Man-Eating Cow can consume humans with alarming speed by the way.

And 95% of the Tick characters has Mental Health issues like pseudobulbar affect but i don't know any Tick character that has ATPA "afraid to post anything" syndrome?

Im still analysing your last sentence tho "because it don't matter what I someone will thank its scummy".. You left out the verb "do" or "say" and said "thank" instead of Think..

"Thank the scummy??" Very fishy

Only one conclusion possible: this sentence is code for:

Because it don't matter what I AM someone will thank me im a scummy

This is your answer to my questions?

[DirtyDishSoap]

If that is indeed the case we got a totally unnecessary claim out of Loose.

@Rag short answer for now, but consider the Jester role for sonic. I'm curious for thoughts on that matter.

Yeah, please stop revealing or soft claiming, you're only painting a target on yourself.

[Extreme Ways]

For those like me searching for what Ragian asked in the first place:

Would you care to explain this, @Son!c?

I think we already have a first big clue:

Am I right in thinking not voting gives scum an advantage as they will probably kill one or more of us on Night one and so its marginally best for us to vote someone out rather than not.

That's all folks!!!

No way he can survive the night now...unless...Aaaaa-hahahahahahahaha!

Why can't he survive? Unless what? And what's with the laughter?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

For those like me searching for what Ragian asked in the first place:

Would you care to explain this, @Son!c?

I think we already have a first big clue:

Am I right in thinking not voting gives scum an advantage as they will probably kill one or more of us on Night one and so its marginally best for us to vote someone out rather than not.

That's all folks!!!

No way he can survive the night now...unless...Aaaaa-hahahahahahahaha!

Why can't he survive? Unless what? And what's with the laughter?

Thanks I was actually looking for that

[Charle]

Reading through all of this over and over and in short I tend to agree with Sonic (who I think is cop anyway) ... it seems that Loose is defending Pixar both Mafia. I have a feeling that Loose's current "no vote" is going to hit us somehow and sometime very hard.

I keep my vote as is for reason.

[SoN!c]

Reading through all of this over and over and in short I tend to agree with Sonic (who I think is cop anyway) ... it seems that Loose is defending Pixar both Mafia. I have a feeling that Loose's current "no vote" is going to hit us somehow and sometime very hard.

I keep my vote as is for reason.

Thx Charle!, and you look like a retired cop

About the "laughter" question by Ragian.: I already explained the laughter in a previous post (you have to read all posts in a game like this), and the second question was answered in a later post. The bold "us" part.. Seems more than enough to get it all unless you want me drawing a picture next to it

It stays a game so breadcrumbs is all

What you need to know is: I am A superhero and i need to save town!

(But right now im off to a Greek island and my hands are full with beautiful greek ladies. This holiday was already booked long in advance that is why i needed to poke the fire that high. So catch you later guys !

Ps: if i was mafia i would not talk this much - "Loose lips" dont live long in the mafia

[Extreme Ways]

You drive me crazy sonic, but I appreciate you even if I think you're jester . Enjoy your holiday!

[SoN!c]

You drive me crazy sonic, but I appreciate you even if I think you're jester . Enjoy your holiday!

Its The Tick... nothing biut mental nutcases and jesters.. so thank you im playing my character stellar way


PS: Never got a response on the breadcrumb that matters eveil geniuus

L'éveil est un état d'énergie mentale et spirituelle inépuisable.

Ok, enough clues - im on holiday next week - thats all folks!

[SoN!c]

Town knows all it has to know or town will have to dig deaper.´ itself. . instead of relying on superheroes to dig deeper.. get quadripods!

Now is the time Town!

[SoN!c]

That was the last one for an entire week!

[Loose Canon]

I'm going to elaborate on why I voted when I knew it would not count.

There was a lot of early chat from Pixar and then a lot of early finger pointing at Pixar.
It was asked whether anyone could point out any substance to it - and to my mind nobody really could.
There was criticisms of posts and what-not.
Pixar seemed to have stopped chatting.
The chat in general seemed to me to be fizzling out.

There was a post date stamped 2nd Sept 5.23pm
There was another one date stamped 2nd Sept 7.53 pm

I wanted more chat to give us more opportunity for a day `1 elimination of a Mafia.

But I couldn't see anything to go on regarding what had been said so far.

Just prior to the next post which was mine on 3rd Sep 4.08am I looked at things the other way round to see if I could see anyone who gave me an early psychology of town bias.
Actually Strike did and that was my post at 4.08am.

I then re-read again and then saw someone who gave me an early psychology of mafia bias - and so posted that was Ragian at 4.25am

These were not strong pros or cons just a mixture of instinct mainly with some reasoning that made sense to me at the time.

I thought about it a bit more and for the reason I gave which was to see if there was any "traction" for Ragian to make a vote for Ragian - which I knew wouldn't count.
I made the working assumption that my vote not counting would probably be spotted but I didn't know how or when or necessarily if it would be spotted.

The whole point was to do what I could to progress investigation and not give mafia an advantage by inertia.

[Loose Canon]

Regarding Sonic.

Sonic your answer to the gauntlet I threw down yesterday impressed me.
I had thought when going to bed last night I was on the verge of unmasking a villain day 1 without even being able pass a vote that counted personally.
My instinct to your response this morning was wow thats surprised me.

At work for most of the day I had swung from probably a villain (last night) to probably a hero.

Now I don't know again - there's the jester suggestion out there.

I'm thinking chaos causing - presumably deliberately - but why ?
To provoke reactions you can probe - hero?
To sow confusion - villain?
Because you are a jester and you are playing the role - third party?

I won't be able to come to a conclusion tonight and you won't be able to answer for yourself - so - I'm just going to have to find other players to try to suss out and hopefully expose.

[strike wolf]

I think Ive figured out who Son!c is trying to hint as his identity and if so, their character is definitely town. Though, not 100% guaranteed to be a role in the game. Part of the issue with softclaiming though is you can get the wrong impression and name the wrong character. As scum, you can also be a bit vague about it and try to push it intentionally in a way where it could be a couple different characters to give yourself a bit more leverage when making your fake claim.

As for more generally softclaiming. Like claiming itself it can be a double edged sword. Please weigh the pros and cons before doing so. You're not just giving town hints, you're giving scum hints and that can influence their night actions to better counter you.

I will say that none of my over the top hero speech was meant as a way of soft claiming. It's just one of the things I remember the show for and was having fun with it accordingly.

[Loose Canon]

That is interesting Strike.

I've just got out of bed at 2.45am uk time because something is bugging me re Sonic.

Check out this logic.

If I'm a superhero why should it bother me what superhero Sonic is?
I only want to know if he is a superhero because if he is, it could I think, work against the superheroes if I either call him out or if we get distracted by a hero on hero fight.
I'm secure in my own identity if I'm a superhero.

However Sonic wants to find out what Superhero I am.
There are possible malign reasons why he might want to find that out.
ie the one that's most obvious is that he might have left his clues about multiple superheroes but wants to make damn sure if he does have to claim at some point, he doesn't claim to be one who I am, if I'm still in the game at that point

Is there anything wrong with that logic?

[Loose Canon]

Re Sonic again.

Does anyone have any views on past mafia game experience how strong a player he is at mafia?

Re me.

This is my second mafia game.
I've watched Traitors Uk, USA and Australia on BBC iplayer
The first mafia game inspired me to run a Traitors game as gamesmaster by a combination of email and face to face in my office.
I think I can see there is a lot of room for me to improve my game play, but that I am at the start of a point of considerable progress in my play.
And I love game theory.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Game theory tends to lead to unproductive discussion in an ongoing game, let's avoid that.

For now, we're just gonna have to believe both sonic and loose, through soft claims, that they're town. Although with Sonic in not eliminating the possibility of him being a Jester.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Ok some thoughts of what has been going on the last 2 days or some points that I feel have been discussed (maybe I'm missing something as I didn't follow this last day too much).

Loose Canon being voteless: I have already said I think the voteless role it's unlikely to be mafia, and also wondered if there is a certain condition or not. As for his comments about not being posted, I actually believe his story, as it happened to me (Not in mafia in another forum, of being fast posted sending submit and thinking you posted while it actually doesn't) as commenting that would only throw more dirt onto Loose, still he did commented it maybe knowing it would happen so.
And I liked the question of saying who do we feel more likely to trust.
What bugs me is that he said he didn't know how his voteless was going to be revealed, he could have asked mod if unsure.

Bax not commenting anything: He has done so before, and I agree it's just a bad player at mafia, maybe not interested enough to actually get into it. Still so annoying and I really hope he does not have an important townie role this time.

Pepe being the last to join: It actually does not give any clue, not sure why some people fixate into it. Roles were given beforehand, it can be an important townie role, a mafia or something else as Mod took a while to try to balance the game.

Pixar bandwagon and timing of the Loose reveal: I don't see them working together and jumping off to take pressure. I still don't like Pixar's attitude and I feel he didn't want to claim but actually wanting to earn a visit at night, question is why? Although his way of trying to probe if it was Loose voteless or if Regian was the one with an ability was good. So unsure here

SoN!c: I feel weird about him, I mean knowing him his post actually goes along with the way he usually behaves, so a lot of random comments, some jokes and taunts here and there and getting into character actually feels like him. On the other hand I don't like a lot of things he has said, especially the way he seems to want a lynch:

for instance:

Not a townsman in any case for sure i'd say? Looks like you are stalling time to prevent a lynch on you or Loose before nightfalls..

If we don't lynch Loose before nightfall he will murder. C'mon not being able to vote is so unlike townie's. What more do you want? A written confession by Loose? He did not even deny it, just saying something vague "it will become clear" after the night. With a Smoking gun in his hand at breakfast

Let's lynch asap !

Then Extreme suggest this and yeah, we can have all kind of crazy roles, so worth considering.

If that is indeed the case we got a totally unnecessary claim out of Loose.

@Rag short answer for now, but consider the Jester role for sonic. I'm curious for thoughts on that matter.

FInally I agree with Strike. I hate softclaiming, had a full claim not being forced on dunk last game, he might have get killed at night just by saying "I'm watching you". Hints can be more useful to Mafia than town, as they know who they are. Therefore I also really dislike the breadcrumble thing that SoNic suggests, it will give more info to the mafia than to town if u have figured out something to help town speak it out unless, otherwise revealing light info will only confuse townies and help mafia.

About the "laughter" question by Ragian.: I already explained the laughter in a previous post (you have to read all posts in a game like this), and the second question was answered in a later post. The bold "us" part.. Seems more than enough to get it all unless you want me drawing a picture next to it

It stays a game so breadcrumbs is all

If you are in town and there is something that it's not clear you would try to clarify it, not keep it obscure.

I might have missed a lot of things going on, but those are some thoughts I felt like posting.

[Loose Canon]

Its 6.00am here and I have got up to post again!

Firstly a correction to Trafalgars post.
He attributed the word breadcrumb to Sonic.
Actually I think if you check Sonic said he had left clues.
I said I had left 2 breadcrumbs in response.

Ok that being said its up to you guys what you want to do - but I think I want you to force a claim on Sonic by weight of votes.

If Sonic claims a town role that is someone elses then that someone else calls it.
No-one is going to call it if they are not the character that Sonic claims to be as the consequence of that would be if Sonic is revealed to be Town then the person who called it misleadingly is voted out next. Noone is going to be suicidal.

Then there is the question as to whether making Sonic claim his town character and noone calls it out as a lie actually does damage to Town.

I put it to you all that Sonics detective work has been a shocker so far.
What is more his posts are creating confusion.

If Sonic is town he needs a complete reset because he is setting town back.
If he claims a Town character and isn't called out on his claim he lives on - and hopefully has a reset - and hopefully is given a fresh start second chance at being listened to by town.

And you know what if I was Mafia (i'm not) I wouldn't kill him anytime soon. He's been an absolute Jonah aboard the good ship Tick so far.

What I will give Sonic credit for is some of his diplomacy siding up by flattering some new players.

There you are I've laid it out for you.
If you are in any doubt take a break,clear your head of preconceptions, then read either everything either I or Sonic has written so far.
Take another break read everything the other has written so far.

Then decide afresh whether to force a claim based on weight of votes on Sonic.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I'm against going after Sonic. There's already a "soft claim" from the both of you, anything further would just be detrimental to town.

We could continue going after Pixar (Or Bax), but I'm afraid of the scenario that we end up revealing too much to scum for them to develop a plan/ build.

Extreme, how do you feel about this day so far? Would you consider now that maybe we're veering into some dangerous waters?

[strike wolf]

A few thoughts after skimming back through the thread:

1. Bax, Razor and Drake need to be prodded. They haven't posted in a while.

2. I saw people coming to the defense of the Pix wagon by pointing out that he wanted to claim which as far as I can tell is based solely on a comment in the joke phase that probably shouldn't be taken at face value. The wagon itself was stupid in the way it formed but Pix has yet to really say much beyond getting interested in Loose and comments on his own case.

3. Duke and DDS right now are giving me the strongest town reads. I sisagree with Duke on a lot but he's been consistent.

4. Beyond playing the mod on Pepe's role and saying that Ragian is scummy because he acted like a "grammar nazi". Raz's post really haven't said much. Maybe it's just because he's been absent since but he keeps going back to Rag and Pepe and wanting more info from them. I don't know. Just feels like false activity.

I would mostly be okay with not pressing too much on someone else today. I think we've gotten some good info and right now, I feel like I'd rather just have people who have been slightly quieter like the above 3 mentioned weigh in more to general discussion and maybe also hear more from pix on his thoughts.

[Extreme Ways]

I'm against going after Sonic. There's already a "soft claim" from the both of you, anything further would just be detrimental to town.

We could continue going after Pixar (Or Bax), but I'm afraid of the scenario that we end up revealing too much to scum for them to develop a plan/ build.

Extreme, how do you feel about this day so far? Would you consider now that maybe we're veering into some dangerous waters?

Going after Bax doesnt do much because he just doesnt defend himself or claim. Not that this makes him town, but I'd love to see some more scummy votes before we accidentally lynch him.

Going after Pixar, eh. I dont think theres much more to gain there. Most of the people who (had) voted on Pix and are talkative have convinced me enough not to immediately scumread them. Pressuring one of them doesn't strike me as a good play.

I think this was a valuable day and theres definitely some people I trust more than others. My chummy list is basically Traf's with loose and pix switched around.

[Charle]

I agree, waisting time on Bax will be useless, he is not going to respond.

Regarding Pixar, well the fact that he gone quiet and refuse to claim should tell us something?

Loose is an interesting fact, something is brewing.