Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[Loose Canon]

This Strike Sonic thing is on a wavelength my antenna ain't receiving.

[SoN!c]

This Strike Sonic thing is on a wavelength my antenna ain't receiving.

Why does Strike puts in a vote on me so late in D1? Surely there has to be a reason. Ask yourself : What is the result he wants to obtain and why?

[Ragian]

I don't really feel the spat either, which should be good for Max connecting me with Loose. However, it's not late with more than three days to the deadline.

I'm out for the day taking my now five-year-old to the funfair for his birthday. Have a nice day, everyone

[SoN!c]

So your saying im tunneling again? Look, my idea is if Strike is scum, like i suspect he is, his scumparter will stay silent on the matter. A scum Strike in particular doesn't like to have any connections. Ofcourse everytime i said something about Strike and left him 2 choices he chose a third option.. So even if his scumpartner doesn't stay silent for that reaon im pretty sure the other scumteam won't comment on the matter when feeling the spat, blending in with the silent townies.

Enjoy your grandchild's birthday Rag. He will have a blast on that funfair im sure.

[Loose Canon]

So your saying im tunneling again? Look, my idea is if Strike is scum, like i suspect he is, his scumparter will stay silent on the matter. A scum Strike in particular doesn't like to have any connections. Ofcourse everytime i said something about Strike and left him 2 choices he chose a third option.. So even if his scumpartner doesn't stay silent for that reaon im pretty sure the other scumteam won't comment on the matter when feeling the spat, blending in with the silent townies.

Enjoy your grandchild's birthday Rag. He will have a blast on that funfair im sure.

Well I initially thought the opposite, I thought Strike might be opening the spat with you because it might deflect off of Max (if Max is scum).
Yesterday I was thinking you and Strike might be going Town on Town though.
I think you Sonic are trying to squeeze as much info out of D1 as possible - I don't think that is tunnelling at least not in your intention.
What I find curious though is I see a certain symmetry in Sonic and Strikes spat - but I can't read anything into it really - except maybe thats why I thought it might be Town on Town?

[PepeAtila]

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Then vote Strike. Strike was here all discussion long. He must have read the "checkmate post" by now when it was going to this climax. But didnt answered.. he must know its checkmate by now but a cornered wolf will jump once more until put down..

So does the wolfdog takes the deal? Yes or no? 1 for 1 should be a no brainer if he is town..


Ps: i think loose and rags are town Max. Also your probably not helping when this is coming from you but its fun anyway. Strike will probably post we are a scumpair now

So im asking town to give another 5 town votes on strike here being pretty sure. Max can wait till tomorrow and Strike initiated all of it himself in case anybody is wondering..100 % sure strike is scum - reread yourself! jajajaaa brothers!

Then why don't you change vote to DDS, who has more votes than strike and they are really a team ? and not divide votes ...
tick tock , time is coming ... I don't care one of the two ....

[PepeAtila]

It is true that I see Strike more clearly scum than DDS, but following my feelings I should keep they as a scumpair.

[Loose Canon]

All this speculative pairing D1... sigh.

One outcome could be lynch a scum D1 lynch a townie D2.

Would suit the other scum faction just peachy.

[SoN!c]

Well I initially thought the opposite, I thought Strike might be opening the spat with you because it might deflect off of Max (if Max is scum).

So what are / were you thinking then? Strike is Max his scumpartner and he comes to his aid dividing the Max votes?. No that is not my idea at all.Very unlike Strike also. I think the best explanation is Strike is scum and he is placing the pieces for his nightkill on the board, looking for info on the Mason(s) as a sidedish

You have to wonder: Why would a town Strike come with a vote that deep into D1? Makes no sense. If he is genuine town and really thinks im a scumpair with Pepe he could have launched that at the beginning of D2 or a lot sooner D1. But instead he does it now..Must be for a good reason. The way i read him is like a scummie that is thinking on his nightkill, sprinkling fairy dust on the one he wants to silence.

[Loose Canon]

Well I initially thought the opposite, I thought Strike might be opening the spat with you because it might deflect off of Max (if Max is scum).

So what are / were you thinking then? Strike is Max his scumpartner and he comes to his aid dividing the Max votes?. No that is not my idea at all.Very unlike Strike also. I think the best explanation is Strike is scum and he is placing the pieces for his nightkill on the board, looking for info on the Mason(s) as a sidedish

You have to wonder: Why would a town Strike come with a vote that deep into D1? Makes no sense. If he is genuine town and really thinks im a scumpair with Pepe he could have launched that at the beginning of D2 or a lot sooner D1. But instead he does it now..Must be for a good reason. The way i read him is like a scummie that is thinking on his nightkill, sprinkling fairy dust on the one he wants to silence.

Overall I don't like the attempt to pair players together D1 in this game. I think it is better left for D2 onwards certainly in this game and probably generally.
I have however dragged myself or let myself be dragged into it a bit I must admit.

Re Strike I must also admit it is puzzling to me firstly his vote and secondly his engagement with you (in what I'm calling a spat).
And yes I admit I was wondering if it was to drive the vote off of Max.
So I'll openly say it FOS on Strike.
You can add that to my openly said FOS on Traf earlier.
And I've implied an FOS on Rag as well previously too.
I've been suspicious of you too Sonic at various points but I'm leaning town on you.
Then there's the say little brigade who I'm very suspicious of.

With 7 town there is a strong possibility that there will be/is Town on Town action D1.
And I don't like voting out players who have the potential or track record as Town of being strong Town players D2 onwards.

[SoN!c]

I agree any pairing D1 is just searching in the end.. But if we don't search we are never gonna find anything...And real searching means you gotta get in to it. Thats why im thinking Strike is scum (not as a pair but by himself) and he is gonna kill me tonight.

If he just kills me tonight Strike knows D2 everybody is gonna trail it back to him.. But if he scummyfies me now, just a few days before deadline, he can always say some mumbojumbo that, in the end, reads like "somebody picked up my trail and must have used that trail for own benefits - but i myself am town" and that is exactly why he puts in the late vote and why i think he must be scum.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I don't see the case on Strike tbh. Think Sonic might be tunneling as he used to. But thats much of his playstyle anyway. i remember being on the strike situation in one of the games

I do see the case for Pepe. He just seems to wants a lynch and does not care much who? Doesn't add up to a case, he just votes. If anything Pepe would be the one player that would be top of my scum list.

[SoN!c]

Nobody sees the case lol! But im seeing it!



A littlebit of paranoia just means your looking at all the corners

[Loose Canon]

Ok, so Sonics case on Strike is a bit instinct, bit fear, bit logic.
I can see the logic bit but personally am not feeling instinct or fear about Strike or anyone to be honest.

If I list the players I have seen evidence of from past games who are better than me it would be
Sonic, Kong, Strike, Rag and Traf - and funny enough (or not) I have a bit of an evidency FOS on 3 of them.
If I add players that I have to assume are better than me because they have hosted (and so gained insight through hosting) games I have played in I'd add;
DDS and EW
Dev and Pepe are unknowns to me but they are engaging and I believe they would engage in latter stages even if they are as relatively poor a player as me.
(they might be much better than me - I just don't know)

That leaves me with one player who really I'd not fancy at all being left with me as a fellow townie - Max (what chance would we stand)
But Max could be scum and left to survive. That's what I really don't fancy most at all.

[SoN!c]

Ok, so Sonics case on Strike is a bit instinct, bit fear, bit logic.
I can see the logic bit but personally am not feeling instinct or fear about Strike or anyone to be honest.

If I list the players I have seen evidence of from past games who are better than me it would be
Sonic, Kong, Strike, Rag and Traf - and funny enough (or not) I have a bit of an evidency FOS on 3 of them.
If I add players that I have to assume are better than me because they have hosted (and so gained insight through hosting) games I have played in I'd add;
DDS and EW
Dev and Pepe are unknowns to me but they are engaging and I believe they would engage in latter stages even if they are as relatively poor a player as me.
(they might be much better than me - I just don't know)

That leaves me with one player who really I'd not fancy at all being left with me as a fellow townie - Max (what chance would we stand)
But Max could be scum and left to survive. That's what I really don't fancy most at all.

Look, you had my vote untill Strike played his very late Scummysong. Prelude to D1 Night of the Long Strike Knife.. Also Strike was never voting Max..

[strike wolf]

I agree any pairing D1 is just searching in the end.. But if we don't search we are never gonna find anything...And real searching means you gotta get in to it. Thats why im thinking Strike is scum (not as a pair but by himself) and he is gonna kill me tonight.

If he just kills me tonight Strike knows D2 everybody is gonna trail it back to him.. But if he scummyfies me now, just a few days before deadline, he can always say some mumbojumbo that, in the end, reads like "somebody picked up my trail and must have used that trail for own benefits - but i myself am town" and that is exactly why he puts in the late vote and why i think he must be scum.

This is just stupid. You've been the most active player, anyone could decide you are the best kill tonight. Pushing a case against you D1 just puts more focus on me if you turn up dead over night. How does that help me if I'm scum? As for timing of the vote, the deadline had been extended to the 23rd. I wrote out the case on the 18th. 5 days is enough time to push a vote and see what falls from the information tree when you shake it. The case on Max is meh. It may be better in the long run if we lynch him now rather than wait for him to become a late game distraction but it also tells us very little about anyone involved in the wagon.

[Ragian]

So your saying im tunneling again? Look, my idea is if Strike is scum, like i suspect he is, his scumparter will stay silent on the matter. A scum Strike in particular doesn't like to have any connections. Ofcourse everytime i said something about Strike and left him 2 choices he chose a third option.. So even if his scumpartner doesn't stay silent for that reaon im pretty sure the other scumteam won't comment on the matter when feeling the spat, blending in with the silent townies.

Enjoy your grandchild's birthday Rag. He will have a blast on that funfair im sure.

First and foremost...cheeky bastard

I don't know if it was addressed at me, but it came directly after my post. I think you have settled on something, and now you can make everything prove what you have decided. But hey, it's D1. However, I don't like it that you keep saying that his vote came deep into D1 as if the deadline was imminent. Even now, it's 48 hours away.

Huh, seems Loose has FOS'ed me at some point. I never noticed. Have I been bad?

Instinct list would be:
1. DDS - neutral vibe (Has provided a list of his own, but has more or less stayed out of the fray)
2. Sonic - neutral vibe (Is the fray and very active, but pushes some arguments beyond validity)
3. Kong - slightly scummy vibe (Hasn't said too much, but I guess that was also the case last game)
4. EW - townish vibe (Has been reasonable throughout)
5. Devante - scummy vibe (See former posts - Devante has reacted with OMGUS)
6. Loose - townish vibe (seems to be playing differently than I remember, but more to my liking)
7. Strike - neutral vibe (Seems genuinely annoyed by Son!c's continuous accusations)
8. Ragian - not just the best townie in the game, but also the prettiest
9. Max - neutral vibe (Has said slightly more than I'm used to and in the vein that I'm used to. Could be either or)
10. Traf - neutral vibe (Hasn't said too much, but seems reflective in his posts)
11. PepeAtila - slightly scummy vibe (Throws votes around with little to no explanation, but I might be too thick to understand the explanations)

My vote stays on Devante. I do not feel compelled in any other direction right now.

[Loose Canon]

Don't agree with Sonic that Strikes post that initiated the spat was "very late". The nature and timing of it was methinks maybe designed to provoke Sonic and it did. So that does make me think why? And it's for that reason I have FOS on strike.
Also rag put strike as neutral on his list above (reinforcing the neutral suggestion strike is trying to give off) and had been an early defender of max. So I have 2 edging reasons for fos on rag.
I do know strike rag and max can't be in the same scummy faction though.
Everything is very marginal on scum feels though and don't see how it can be any other way for others.

[SoN!c]

I think we have an official deadlock here.. Lots of stuff to think about and pretty good D1 activity all around. But most votes on anybody is just a meager 2.

Max (2) - LC, EW
DDS (2) - Max, Pepe
Traf (1) - Kong
Devante (1) - Ragian
Sonic (1) - Strike
Strike (1) - Sonic

No Vote (3) - DDS, Traf, Dev

There are many topics to mull over here. So let's do that and unvote.

[Ragian]

Don't agree with Sonic that Strikes post that initiated the spat was "very late". The nature and timing of it was methinks maybe designed to provoke Sonic and it did. So that does make me think why? And it's for that reason I have FOS on strike.
Also rag put strike as neutral on his list above (reinforcing the neutral suggestion strike is trying to give off) and had been an early defender of max. So I have 2 edging reasons for fos on rag.
I do know strike rag and max can't be in the same scummy faction though.
Everything is very marginal on scum feels though and don't see how it can be any other way for others.

1. Is the fact that I think a Max lynch will yield zilch information my defending Max?
2. What do you think about what I've had to say about Devante?

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@Son!c, any thoughts on Devante not voting despite basically saying that I'm scum?

[Devante]

What does OMGUS stand for?

And for this game is it highest vote for lynch or if no consensus it's no lynch?

I'll post some thoughts here later today and give a list

[Ragian]

https://epicmafia.fandom.com/wiki/OMGUS

[Loose Canon]

Don't agree with Sonic that Strikes post that initiated the spat was "very late". The nature and timing of it was methinks maybe designed to provoke Sonic and it did. So that does make me think why? And it's for that reason I have FOS on strike.
Also rag put strike as neutral on his list above (reinforcing the neutral suggestion strike is trying to give off) and had been an early defender of max. So I have 2 edging reasons for fos on rag.
I do know strike rag and max can't be in the same scummy faction though.
Everything is very marginal on scum feels though and don't see how it can be any other way for others.

1. Is the fact that I think a Max lynch will yield zilch information my defending Max?
2. What do you think about what I've had to say about Devante?

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@Son!c, any thoughts on Devante not voting despite basically saying that I'm scum?

1. Yes - I think you are a smart player and so would (at least consider) using a defence of Max that worked last time again.
You also played the game very cleverly last time asking me to elaborate on why I suspected Strike D2 (after point of max impact had passed), then voting fellow then scum Strike,
then asking why I had suggested Strike but not joined you. Your ability to manipulate (or try to) (cudos to you) is not forgotten.
And I sensed some possible manipulative behaviour from you this game.

2. Re Devante your instinct may or may not be right, (but it is essentially instinct as far as I can see) - I don't know.
What I do know is that Devante (and others) deserve some more pressure D2 onwards - Devante has just about said as little that is substantive in terms of putting himself out there as
anyone bar Max.
And I don't know if he is considered a strong player or not? (I think I have in my possibly as weak as me category in gameplay terms at the moment)

[Devante]

https://epicmafia.fandom.com/wiki/OMGUS

Well then that is a falsehood. I voted for Strike on the joke wagon then unvoted when it started to pick up steam since it was again a joke.

You voted for me but I did not in turn vote for you so how does that work for that definition. I mean you do suck in general because it's two games now you have a hard on for me for no real reason but it still doesn't warrant an actual vote unless I truly think you might not be town.

FP by Rags

[Devante]

sorry FP was by Loose