Vanilla Elementary Mafia - TOWN WINS!

[DukeHazzard]

I have to agree with Law. Chana and Andrei have said very little and I think we need to get a claim out of one of them.

[DukeHazzard]

Fusi already voted Chana. I would have went after Andrei first but I don't think it's good to split the vote. Let's put some pressure on.

Vote Chana

[degaston]

I still haven't had time to go over the entire chat, but in my experience, going by lack of participation isn't a very accurate indicator of scumminess. I think it's fine on day 1 or 2 - if there's nothing better to go by, then may as well get rid of the deadbeats, but if anything, scum tend to want to participate so that they're not targeted for lack of participation.

Two things stand out to me at the moment:

Law - at the end of D3, his message that he would have voted for someone was the exact same thing that I did once as scum. He avoids taking blame for the lynch of a townie, but at the same time tries to get credit for pretending to take a position, and being part of the confused townies who lynched another townie.

Pixar - Still questioning if I'm a cop. Still including Darin with Chana and andrei as though they're all suspicious. Needlessly mentioning fusi as no longer his next target. Thinking that killing strike is odd. Ignoring the no-kill on N2. Trying to get Darin to tell who he protected. Saying that there's no point in getting anyone to claim, and then claiming himself without being under any pressure.

Without anything better to go by so far...

Vote *Pixar*

[*Pixar*]

Still trying to process things, I'm not really questioning your cop abilities. I mean it makes sense why teacher brought in a foreign exchange student in such an important role, otherwise I think he would have left it. Let me edit my list to just Chana and Andrei, forgot that Darin saved us from a night kill by protecting himself. I see how you think killing strike is not odd, I'm just pointing out the fact that scum knows two power roles right now and they chose strike? Maybe because he was a heavily involved player compared to others? Maybe scum just didn't want to take the 50/50 shot of having their kill blocked if Darin happened to choose himself or you last recess. And the point of no claiming comes with the reason of it's easy just to claim vanilla townie and be safe... Do you think there is more power roles to be found Deg, other than the 2 we have right now?

[chanakam2020]

8 of us alive
probably 2 or 3 bad boys out of 8 (Can it be 3 ? I have no much experience about limitations of no of players per roles)

If we incorrectly lynch some one today we will down to 7 & then probably down to 6 at night which means game over for townies ?

I am vanila town with no other power than ability to vote in day time.
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And I noted on day 2 there was no day lynch .
Fusi was on 5 votes and only i-andrei was not voted by that time.
So if i-andrei was bad boy he could just add his vote to lynch fusi. But he did not
And No one else tried to switch vote and get fusi to 6 votes.
Does that mean all 2 or 3 bad boys already voted on fusi by the time he was in 5 votes ?
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Do we know any other useful info ?

[degaston]

Still trying to process things, I'm not really questioning your cop abilities. I mean it makes sense why teacher brought in a foreign exchange student in such an important role, otherwise I think he would have left it. Let me edit my list to just Chana and Andrei, forgot that Darin saved us from a night kill by protecting himself. I see how you think killing strike is not odd, I'm just pointing out the fact that scum knows two power roles right now and they chose strike? Maybe because he was a heavily involved player compared to others? Maybe scum just didn't want to take the 50/50 shot of having their kill blocked if Darin happened to choose himself or you last recess. And the point of no claiming comes with the reason of it's easy just to claim vanilla townie and be safe... Do you think there is more power roles to be found Deg, other than the 2 we have right now?

Just to be clear, the "foreign exchange student" bit was just a little flavor added by me.

Ragian posted that Dunk asked to be subbed because he was too busy. I don't know if he was close to being mod-killed, but it does not appear to be a situation of Rag trying to help out town by keeping an important role alive.

It's a closed setup, and Rag could do whatever he wanted. I don't have any clue right now as to whether there are other roles, or how many scum there are.

[chanakam2020]

Some one familiar with rules and settings enlighten me.

Is it possible mafia to decide not to kill anyone at night ?
Or
Is it must them to kill some one at night ?
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I am trying to decipher what happened at night 2 where there is no kill.
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1. Easiest explanation is Darin is really a Doc and he saved himself while mafia attempted to kill him.
2. It might be possible mafia failed to send their action on time before deadline ?
Like what happened to voting in day 2. (i- andrei failed to vote before deadline)

3. Third possibility I just now thought was , If mafia can skip killing at some nights it is possible they skip killing at night 2 to script Darin Saved himself to imply that he is a doc .

Can some one familiar with game rules tell us, whether above scenario 3 is possible to explain no kill night 2 ?

[degaston]

Some one familiar with rules and settings enlighten me.

Is it possible mafia to decide not to kill anyone at night ?
Or
Is it must them to kill some one at night ?
.
I am trying to decipher what happened at night 2 where there is no kill.
.
1. Easiest explanation is Darin is really a Doc and he saved himself while mafia attempted to kill him.
2. It might be possible mafia failed to send their action on time before deadline ?
Like what happened to voting in day 2. (i- andrei failed to vote before deadline)

3. Third possibility I just now thought was , If mafia can skip killing at some nights it is possible they skip killing at night 2 to script Darin Saved himself to imply that he is a doc .

Can some one familiar with game rules tell us, whether above scenario 3 is possible to explain no kill night 2 ?

Any of those could be possible.
There's also a possibility that another role could have stopped a kill.
I think #1 is the most likely.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I have little clue to what could be going on. I m trusting its a vainila game with no many poweroles and that the doc can be on himself, af there was no counterclaim to either doc or cop.

If I overthink I could think of some roles to misslead townies like Godfather or Miller, but I think we have no such roles here. I'm also thinking we only have 2 bullies (it it's 3 we are kind of doomed as we need every townie to vote right).

Chana point of a scum not jumping to kill fusi is a good one maybe - Fusi had 5 votes (Chana, Darin, Strike, Myself and Duke). Duke put him at -1. However andrei have been mostly absent from the site, so he could have missed the chance. hmmm i'm quite clueless here

[DukeHazzard]

You all make some good points. But nobody's voting. We need to go somewhere. Town needs to get together as a group and make something happen. I have a question. We've had a few of you claim town without being pressured. Does it make a difference to be voted against to claim? I'm town of course. I can say it too. But does that mean anything? Without being forced to claim? Even being forced to claim, do we really know anything without a lynch? There's not a lot to go on in this game. It seems hit or miss. We thought Max was scum, and Fusi brought the hammer down. That usually means scum, but Deg cleared him. They both turned out to be town. And being a vanilla game. Are there no 3rd party? I see that going after the quiet ones isn't much to go on. But we have little else.

[chanakam2020]

Fusi had 5 votes (Chana, Darin, Strike, Trafalgar and Duke) -1 to lynch
6 votes on Max (Darin, Duke, Pixar, chana, i-Andrei, Fusi)

Intersection of above two voting groups = Chana (me) , Darin , Duke

As Trafalgar said i-Andrei was mostly absent in class discussion & might have missed the chance of voting to Fusi on time
But he made 5th vote on Max.
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So I think I should suspect i-Andrei

Vote i-Andrei

[Darin44]

Fusi had 5 votes (Chana, Darin, Strike, Trafalgar and Duke) -1 to lynch
6 votes on Max (Darin, Duke, Pixar, chana, i-Andrei, Fusi)

Intersection of above two voting groups = Chana (me) , Darin , Duke

As Trafalgar said i-Andrei was mostly absent in class discussion & might have missed the chance of voting to Fusi on time
But he made 5th vote on Max.
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So I think I should suspect i-Andrei

Vote i-Andrei

I vote Chana

every thew I want the vote *Pixar* because I trust deg

but something about Chana dosen't fill right

[Ragian]

Mod note

Dirtydishsoap replaces i-Andrei. I'm currently at a festival so I don't have his role just now, but he's in the game. I'm back Monday.

[chanakam2020]

I vote Chana

every thew I want the vote *Pixar* because I trust deg

but something about Chana dosen't fill right

What is that some thing which does not fill right ?
If you tell more details I may help to fill in blanks

[Darin44]

I vote Chana

every thew I want the vote *Pixar* because I trust deg

but something about Chana dosen't fill right

What is that some thing which does not fill right ?
If you tell more details I may help to fill in blanks

1. Easiest explanation is Darin is really a Doc and he saved himself while mafia attempted to kill him.

This a Vanilla Mafia game there nothing tricky about it.

I investigated Darin. He is free and clear. He can be trusted.

which clears me Max was doing the same thats why I vote him now you are.

Intuition based Mathematics say I can trust Darin, Dunk and Strike wolf
And of course I trust me.

investigated by (Cop)Dunk/Deg
Strike wolf
Darin
Fus

[DirtyDishSoap]

Ladies and gentlemen, after taking my long nap and finally suppressing my alternate personality, I am ready to play our game! Huzzah!
First off, I am indeed the worlds greatest kid. My Dad owns ConquerClub and if you talk bad about me, he can and will beat up your Dad and he will then ban you from this site! You have been warned!

Now that we know that I am indeed the ultimate bad ass, you may now kiss my feet in supplication.

I've been loosely following the game since I offered to sub and I can now offer my full support.

Some one familiar with rules and settings enlighten me.

Is it possible mafia to decide not to kill anyone at night ?
Or
Is it must them to kill some one at night ?

So this is a Vanilla setting, and I'll go into more details about it, but typically, there are no power roles in a vanilla game. Just townies and goons. With this being a closed set up though, that may or may not have been changed.

Mafia can choose NOT to kill. The same way we can vote "no lynch." And they typically can only kill at night. Some roles in other games can allow a one shot day kill or some such, but again, this is vanilla. It's a barebones and no wacky powers.

Now, pay attention kids, I just said vanilla typically has no power roles. With that being said, I'm pretty suspicious of the cop/doc claim (could also be scum cop), and I am also incredibly suspicious that Fusi, who basically just hammers for no other reason then just to hammer, gets cleared almost immediately. I'm also really hesitant to say that doc can save himself. In every game that I've ever played, docs never had this ability, and I strongly recommend we treat it that way.

TL;DR - I doubt roles exist in Vanilla, specifically from Raigan. He's old, therefor, old school. He's also a soggy biscuit.

With that out of the way, I'm just gonna go ahead and make a list of current players and whom I think are the most suspicious.

• Darin - Possibly scum - I don't buy the Doc claim, and even less that he can protect himself. That would make the role overpowered in a vanilla game anyways.
• Dega/Dunk - Scum likely. I don't like the claim. You can write off the night actions. Reading some of his posts too, he offers almost nothing of value. Doesn't actively pressure anyone, just answers some questions, loosely.
• Chana - Town but dead weight.
• Traf - Unsure - Can't get a good read. Hasn't really offered much to give me a good tell other than his claim of townie.
• Me - I'm the worlds greatest vanilla townie. I am the best vanilla townie. No one can vanilla townie like me.
• Fusi - Scummy(?) - Whether that hammer was the worlds worst play possible or just a noobie mistake, he's earned a FOS from me.
• Pixar - Town. Pretty active, does scum hunt. Asks the right questions I believe, just has a soft follow up.
• Duke - Town but dead weight.

Vote Darin. He should reveal his night actions. There's no argument about it. Again, I don't buy the roles in a Vanilla game. And I REALLY don't buy the "protect self." That doesn't make any sense.

[DirtyDishSoap]

If I'm wrong, we'll enter LYLO on D5, and I'll have to completely rewrite everything that I thought I knew about Vanilla.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Oof, no sorry, I miscounted, it'd be LYLO on D6, so whether I'm right or wrong, we still have a good chance of turning this around.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Oof, no sorry, I miscounted, it'd be LYLO on D6, so whether I'm right or wrong, we still have a good chance of turning this around.

What's LYLO?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

So this is a Vanilla setting, and I'll go into more details about it, but typically, there are no power roles in a vanilla game. Just townies and goons. With this being a closed set up though, that may or may not have been changed.

Mafia can choose NOT to kill. The same way we can vote "no lynch." And they typically can only kill at night. Some roles in other games can allow a one shot day kill or some such, but again, this is vanilla. It's a barebones and no wacky powers.

Now, pay attention kids, I just said vanilla typically has no power roles. With that being said, I'm pretty suspicious of the cop/doc claim (could also be scum cop), and I am also incredibly suspicious that Fusi, who basically just hammers for no other reason then just to hammer, gets cleared almost immediately. I'm also really hesitant to say that doc can save himself. In every game that I've ever played, docs never had this ability, and I strongly recommend we treat it that way.

TL;DR - I doubt roles exist in Vanilla, specifically from Raigan. He's old, therefor, old school. He's also a soggy biscuit.

With that out of the way, I'm just gonna go ahead and make a list of current players and whom I think are the most suspicious.

• Darin - Possibly scum - I don't buy the Doc claim, and even less that he can protect himself. That would make the role overpowered in a vanilla game anyways.
• Dega/Dunk - Scum likely. I don't like the claim. You can write off the night actions. Reading some of his posts too, he offers almost nothing of value. Doesn't actively pressure anyone, just answers some questions, loosely.
• Chana - Town but dead weight.
• Traf - Unsure - Can't get a good read. Hasn't really offered much to give me a good tell other than his claim of townie.
• Me - I'm the worlds greatest vanilla townie. I am the best vanilla townie. No one can vanilla townie like me.
• Fusi - Scummy(?) - Whether that hammer was the worlds worst play possible or just a noobie mistake, he's earned a FOS from me.
• Pixar - Town. Pretty active, does scum hunt. Asks the right questions I believe, just has a soft follow up.
• Duke - Town but dead weight.

Vote Darin. He should reveal his night actions. There's no argument about it. Again, I don't buy the roles in a Vanilla game. And I REALLY don't buy the "protect self." That doesn't make any sense.

Hmmm are u suggesting there is no single role in this game.
At least 3 people have claimed a role, Cop (Dunk/Reg), Darin (Doc) and Fusi said he had something that could help town (Would like to know if he has any info). So are u suggesting the 3 of them made up a whole story?

I have not played much mafia online, just a couple of speed games in mafia gg and 2 here including this one, but I have enver heard of no roles, I'm sure it's possible, but for me Vanilla is Cop and Doc, and that is about it. so I dont think they made everything up

[Darin44]

Ladies and gentlemen, after taking my long nap and finally suppressing my alternate personality, I am ready to play our game! Huzzah!
First off, I am indeed the worlds greatest kid. My Dad owns ConquerClub and if you talk bad about me, he can and will beat up your Dad and he will then ban you from this site! You have been warned!

Now that we know that I am indeed the ultimate bad ass, you may now kiss my feet in supplication.

I've been loosely following the game since I offered to sub and I can now offer my full support.

Some one familiar with rules and settings enlighten me.

Is it possible mafia to decide not to kill anyone at night ?
Or
Is it must them to kill some one at night ?

So this is a Vanilla setting, and I'll go into more details about it, but typically, there are no power roles in a vanilla game. Just townies and goons. With this being a closed set up though, that may or may not have been changed.

Mafia can choose NOT to kill. The same way we can vote "no lynch." And they typically can only kill at night. Some roles in other games can allow a one shot day kill or some such, but again, this is vanilla. It's a barebones and no wacky powers.

Now, pay attention kids, I just said vanilla typically has no power roles. With that being said, I'm pretty suspicious of the cop/doc claim (could also be scum cop), and I am also incredibly suspicious that Fusi, who basically just hammers for no other reason then just to hammer, gets cleared almost immediately. I'm also really hesitant to say that doc can save himself. In every game that I've ever played, docs never had this ability, and I strongly recommend we treat it that way.

TL;DR - I doubt roles exist in Vanilla, specifically from Raigan. He's old, therefor, old school. He's also a soggy biscuit.

With that out of the way, I'm just gonna go ahead and make a list of current players and whom I think are the most suspicious.

• Darin - Possibly scum - I don't buy the Doc claim, and even less that he can protect himself. That would make the role overpowered in a vanilla game anyways.
• Dega/Dunk - Scum likely. I don't like the claim. You can write off the night actions. Reading some of his posts too, he offers almost nothing of value. Doesn't actively pressure anyone, just answers some questions, loosely.
• Chana - Town but dead weight.
• Traf - Unsure - Can't get a good read. Hasn't really offered much to give me a good tell other than his claim of townie.
• Me - I'm the worlds greatest vanilla townie. I am the best vanilla townie. No one can vanilla townie like me.
• Fusi - Scummy(?) - Whether that hammer was the worlds worst play possible or just a noobie mistake, he's earned a FOS from me.
• Pixar - Town. Pretty active, does scum hunt. Asks the right questions I believe, just has a soft follow up.
• Duke - Town but dead weight.

Vote Darin. He should reveal his night actions. There's no argument about it. Again, I don't buy the roles in a Vanilla game. And I REALLY don't buy the "protect self." That doesn't make any sense.

Apparently you know nothing about Vanilla Town Mafia or their rolls let alone Ragian and the way he runs thing
You sound more scum than anyone in your first post than the rest of us all game

unvote Chana and vote DirtyDishSoap

[TrafalgarLaw01]

You sound more scum than anyone in your first post than the rest of us all game

I gotta agree with this

[DirtyDishSoap]

And theres the OMGUS vote. Lol.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Hmmm are u suggesting there is no single role in this game.
At least 3 people have claimed a role, Cop (Dunk/Reg), Darin (Doc) and Fusi said he had something that could help town (Would like to know if he has any info). So are u suggesting the 3 of them made up a whole story?

I have not played much mafia online, just a couple of speed games in mafia gg and 2 here including this one, but I have enver heard of no roles, I'm sure it's possible, but for me Vanilla is Cop and Doc, and that is about it. so I dont think they made everything up

Yes, i am suggesting there are no roles other than vanilla townies. The vanilla games I've played previously had no roles other townies and goons. Again, I can't see it suddenly happening in this game.

LYLO = Lynch or Lose

[chanakam2020]

OMG ,
Look at that Darins hand writing.
They are very beautiful. like printed.

Definitely cannot be a doctors hand writing.
Doctors are writing ugly and messy