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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby TimWoodbury on Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:54 pm

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Did you get a role? Because the other 25 players did... And they are all written out the SAME! Good lord, man...



how exacly do you KNOW all roles was wrote the same?

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In all seriousness though, I am willing to bet that Masket isn't even a trainer. He's a pokemon willing to sacrifice himself so that his trainer can find all the other trainers.


and what are the odds of said bet? weve come to terms that its possible that trainers and pokemon know each other but why would 1 sacrifice itself? wouldnt that hurt the team in general?

@Dakky ill admit i did skim a tad bit the last few pages not used to coming back to 4 new pages just overnight deffinatly a larger game then im used to and more out of comfort zone thats my bad.

and people keep bringing up that i asked Dakky about Team Rocket after he brought it up like ive said multiple times was to question him see if he may have known something or if he was assuming maybe could of got a slip up by Dakky he ignored it so i wasnt going to spend the next week asking why he ignored the question
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Ragian on Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:08 pm

Anyoen care for my thoughts on Marashu? Also, do we have a deadline, Mandy the Mod?
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:18 pm

TimWoodbury wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
Did you get a role? Because the other 25 players did... And they are all written out the SAME! Good lord, man...



how exacly do you KNOW all roles was wrote the same?

DoomYoshi wrote:
In all seriousness though, I am willing to bet that Masket isn't even a trainer. He's a pokemon willing to sacrifice himself so that his trainer can find all the other trainers.


and what are the odds of said bet? weve come to terms that its possible that trainers and pokemon know each other but why would 1 sacrifice itself? wouldnt that hurt the team in general?

@Dakky ill admit i did skim a tad bit the last few pages not used to coming back to 4 new pages just overnight deffinatly a larger game then im used to and more out of comfort zone thats my bad.

and people keep bringing up that i asked Dakky about Team Rocket after he brought it up like ive said multiple times was to question him see if he may have known something or if he was assuming maybe could of got a slip up by Dakky he ignored it so i wasnt going to spend the next week asking why he ignored the question



All roles WERE WRITTEN... Not was wrote... And how do I know this? Because I have modded 10-15 games... You don't think you sit there and come up with some completely different post for each of the people that are playing, do you? Do you think when you send out the PMs to the mafia you change all of the wording for everybody, even though they will need the same info... No, you change the powers each player has. It is very simple. When you have 10 vanilla townies, do you really want to write something different for each of them? That is just completely ridiculous that you would assume so over people who actually have knowledge of the topic.

As for voting me, as Dakky said, this has already been put to rest.. Two of my biggest opponents at first were BuJabber and WingCmd... They have both agreed that I am town. Other people certainly understand where they are coming from... Bringing something up from pages ago when it has already been determined to be a wild goose chase just makes you look very, very guilty...

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legionnare wrote:experience only really comes in handy when you have a good knowledge on someones meta, so how about Anark sharing his opinion on the meta play of each player he has experience of?


That's why Skoffin, if Anark is so experience and has reliable knowledge of other players then why not use that knowledge to benefit the good?



So, even though you have put MINIMAL effort into this game, you think I should think back 5-9 years ago to the games I played with these people and analyze each player? First, piss off. Second, I have had far too much bourbon, have moved too many times, have changed jobs a few, and have had far too many life experiences to actually remember that... That guy you ate with at work for years, what did he eat everyday? That is basically what you are asking of me, and that is patently absurd. After this long, most people are not going to play the exact same way anyway. We have all grown, and a few of us have even matured... To try and meta that is a waste of my time. But next time you ask me to spend hours on one post just to assuage your fears, do me a favor and right more than two or three sentences at a time. :roll:

FBed by Ragian... I just finished my lunch break... Will have to take a look at what you said about Marashu when I get home.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:19 pm

Dammit... Write, not right... Anyway, off to work I go.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:24 pm

TimWoodbury wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
In all seriousness though, I am willing to bet that Masket isn't even a trainer. He's a pokemon willing to sacrifice himself so that his trainer can find all the other trainers.


and what are the odds of said bet? weve come to terms that its possible that trainers and pokemon know each other but why would 1 sacrifice itself? wouldnt that hurt the team in general?



He's playing like you last game and begging to be lynched, so he might he be lynchproof or something. I'm not too familiar with that strategy but maybe you can elucidate it.

@Nark: usually wincons are written separately, especially when quoting role PMs is allowed. Otherwise it would be too easy for "town", or whatever passes for town these days to clear each other.

Here's a link to a very recent Pokemon-themed game that mandy played in and may have inspired him somewhat.
Note the separate-written win-cons and the double wins for those who aren't sure how that would work.
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=610&t=219243&start=475#p4847831
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:34 pm

Nark, Doom, shut up. Doom I see your point, I interpret different. You guys dont need to explain yourselves, those who understand can, the rest are irrelevant.

madmitch wrote:Wcg trainor with possible two pokemons Nark and Nag.


LOOOOOOOOOOOL

However, whilst we are on the subject of Nag today. What has he actually done in this game? This question goes out to Nag and Bujaber. Bujaber because of the post below. What contribution from Nag is worth defending? He is literally useless and hypocritical.

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Haha you are the joke, Anark has been playing mafia here for nearly 10 years



Sigh... I say I like your contributions and then you post this. Their fight has diverged away from mafia and into personal attacks a long time ago, so you either try to stop it or ignore their fight.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Samlen on Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:53 pm

Ragian wrote:
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Ragian wrote:What Samlen added bottom p. 12 doesn't really do anything either. Still peaks my scumdar. Nothing added yet. Wing agrees here.

My quote that "doesn't really do anything either" at the bottom of p.12 was mentioning how in the day 1 post Mandy mentions that each of the trainers start off with a starter pokemon.
Anark just pointed out Doom seems to be a pokemon that knows his trainer, which just proves my theory correct. If we were to go back through this day, we could possibly find other pokemon/trainer pairings since Doom has kindly let us know that said starter pokemon DO know their trainer today.


Reread it. I don't see how that makes me able to sniff out who's bad and who's good. You're saying, I hope, that all trainer/pokemon pairs are out to kill off each other because the D1 post says that Professor Oak has "supplied a few kids with a Pokedex and a starting pokemon, and released them into the Kanto region to find and defeat each other. The last one of them to survive will be crowned the Champion," right? The same posts mentions an unknown assailant. I'd much rather look for him. Feel free to enlighten me further, though (no sarcasm involved).

Oh rip the one thing I did forget to put in here. Since Team Rocket are trainers, it'd make sense if they also were paired up with a pokemon from day1, making it easier to find them if we looked at the pool of trainer/pokemon pairings. At first I've just assumed that Team Rocket and the unknown assailant were one and the same, but thinking about it more, I'm pretty sure the unknown assailant is unrelated to team rocket. I don't remember team rocket being killers exactly, so it wouldn't make much sense if they were what sounds like a serial killer. Which means this SK is def a problem to worry about, but we don't really have a concrete way to find them yet. Team Rocket, if my theory is correct, could be found a bit more easily.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby madmitch on Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:59 pm

@WCG what part am I wrong about? :-k
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby mandalorian2298 on Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:05 pm

Ragian wrote:Anyoen care for my thoughts on Marashu? Also, do we have a deadline, Mandy the Mod?


No. If you guys end up feeling like no one is going to be able to get 14 votes then you can vote 'No lynch', but I'm not going to force your hand. The activity is good (2 pages per day) so there is no need for me to meddle. Days 1 and 2 are usually the longest once. (search "Sherwood Mafia" if you don't believe me :lol: )
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:15 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
@Nark: usually wincons are written separately, especially when quoting role PMs is allowed. Otherwise it would be too easy for "town", or whatever passes for town these days to clear each other.

Here's a link to a very recent Pokemon-themed game that mandy played in and may have inspired him somewhat.
Note the separate-written win-cons and the double wins for those who aren't sure how that would work.
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=610&t=219243&start=475#p4847831


OK.. Trying to show how you are right by using your OWN game as proof isn't exactly convincing, there, dude. By all means, show me at least two other games, if you want to try to prove a point... Mentioning your own just pushes your own agenda without actual proof.

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Ragian wrote:Anyoen care for my thoughts on Marashu? Also, do we have a deadline, Mandy the Mod?


No. If you guys end up feeling like no one is going to be able to get 14 votes then you can vote 'No lynch', but I'm not going to force your hand. The activity is good (2 pages per day) so there is no need for me to meddle. Days 1 and 2 are usually the longest once. (search "Sherwood Mafia" if you don't believe me :lol: )


Never mention that game again... ;)
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:51 pm

Well, like Mr. Flay said it too:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=808583

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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby HotShot53 on Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:03 pm

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Ragian wrote:Anyoen care for my thoughts on Marashu? Also, do we have a deadline, Mandy the Mod?


No. If you guys end up feeling like no one is going to be able to get 14 votes then you can vote 'No lynch', but I'm not going to force your hand. The activity is good (2 pages per day) so there is no need for me to meddle. Days 1 and 2 are usually the longest once. (search "Sherwood Mafia" if you don't believe me :lol: )


Lol, based on past experience, someone voting "no lynch" will end the day for sure, as whoever votes it would get lynched.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby BuJaber on Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:18 pm

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However, whilst we are on the subject of Nag today. What has he actually done in this game? This question goes out to Nag and Bujaber. Bujaber because of the post below. What contribution from Nag is worth defending? He is literally useless and hypocritical.

BuJaber wrote:
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Haha you are the joke, Anark has been playing mafia here for nearly 10 years



Sigh... I say I like your contributions and then you post this. Their fight has diverged away from mafia and into personal attacks a long time ago, so you either try to stop it or ignore their fight.


Before he wrote the post I quoted above, nag had written a few posts in quick succession pointing out where he thought people's logic was flawed, and then voting, plus revoting when something changed his mind. That is more productive than quite a number of players who had posted at the time. However the post I quoted quickly changed my opinion of him.

I'd like to add that the contributions of nagerous, spurgistan, Mitch, legionnaire, kwanton (as mentioned in my recent post), and to some degree hotshot, are seriously lacking and it's time to question it. I may have missed a couple more but those stood out to me.

Tim must have felt that he might lose on being day 1 lynch and decided to do something about it :lol: :lol: You took a VERY long time to comment on the (typo/slip up whatever it turns out to be) and then decided to do so at a strange time. Even I, the original accuser have moved on from Anarkist.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:22 pm

Who on earth is Spurgistan? Have they made a post?
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby dakky21 on Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:50 pm

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Who on earth is Spurgistan? Have they made a post?


You skimming too? PM the mod aka Mandy with those questions... he said it twice if I'm correct.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Serbia on Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:43 pm

dakky21 wrote:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Who on earth is Spurgistan? Have they made a post?


You skimming too? PM the mod aka Mandy with those questions... he said it twice if I'm correct.


I don't believe Wing is ACTUALLY asking who Spurg is, dakky. It's more a comment on lack of activity.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby dakky21 on Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:03 pm

Serbia wrote:
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WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Who on earth is Spurgistan? Have they made a post?


You skimming too? PM the mod aka Mandy with those questions... he said it twice if I'm correct.


I don't believe Wing is ACTUALLY asking who Spurg is, dakky. It's more a comment on lack of activity.


Serb, it doesn't matter, Mandy said twice (or more) to PM him if you notice someone is not posting... so my post still stands ;)
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Talapus on Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:10 pm

Skoffin wrote: Tal is a good player, and his argument on masket was pretty weak and read a lot into Masket that Masket didn't say.


I understand you don't agree with my line of thinking. However I will disagree with this statement. There is a lot he is and isn't saying that is suspicious and I fully stand behind the vote as the current best option in my mind. I read everything he said and unfortunately the conclusions are still the same.

Minister Masket wrote:Where was Pokemon roles mentioned? I assumed it would all be trainers.


Nope. Not the first time you skimmed though but hey we are all guilty of it sooner or later. But hey you did cop to it eventually so cheers.

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Cheers for the support. I also counter-agree on Team Rocket being trainers.


Wiki disagrees with you. Plus the past roles of the characters as a pokemon coordinator for one of them and the fact they both went to a trainer type school makes this very hard for me to buy they can't be considered as trainers.

The next three quotes I have mainly for easy reference and context for his later comments.

1)
Minister Masket wrote:
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The1exile wrote:I gotta agree with Tim here, Nark. it dopes come across as you trying to say "hey, maybe i'm a trainer too" to MM with that comment. Which in turns make you ssupicious, because I'm wondering if the trainer deal is that they are actually cult or recruiting masons and they can "catch" (recruit) the pokemon in the night phase? And they have to kill the other trainers to win the game (i.e outcompete the others) - seems like the sort of mad stuff Mandy would do.



Dude, that is a ridiculously good thought process... Whether or not you are suspicious of me, that, sir, is an excellent idea. Also, if you will note, MM makes NO rebuke towards me, even though I am the one who voted him! He immediately moves on making more jokes and not facing up to what was said against him...

If he continues to evade, and just uses meta as an excuse, he will be my vote...

Masket! Make yourself heard.


Firstly I have to say I haven't really been thinking about game mechanics so far, but I too think exile has made a very good shout there. Fits the theme very well.



2)
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mandalorian2298 wrote:
Professor Oak: Thank you, Reporter. Given that most of the Gym Masters have been killed, this year we decided that it would be to dangerous to keep all our fights focused on a few specific locations. Instead, I have supplied a few kids with a Pokedex and a starting pokemon, and released them into the Kanto region to find and defeat each other. The last one of them to survive will be crowned the Champion.



I think Mandy's story clue here is important.
Those kid trainers are almost 100% certain to be 'town' trainers.


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Fircoal wrote:Giovanni most definetly is a trainer. In both the anime and in the games he was a gym leader. A strong one too. Yes he had lackies to do his work for him but he certainly was a trainer too.


I know where you're coming from, but really, look at the guy. Can you really see him out in the field getting his Meowth/Persian from level 5 to 50 or wherever like the kid trainers?
I know the evidence has drifted away from it in recent years but I used to be a fan of the him being Ash's father theory.

The1exile wrote: I see nark is copping a lot of flak for a playstyle which is totally in keeping with his personality. I don't think the supposed typo scum tell is worth a hill of beans so I'm merely a little concerned that he could be another trainer. Now, it's possible that the trainers are the town but since in pokemon there are always way less trainers than pokemon (duh) i'm sticking by my theory that pokemon or other npcs are the town and the various trainers are cult-type entitities. With that in mind, thinking that MM is a trainer and that trainers are bad, I'm going to Vote:Minister Masket.


Really? That's your theory? Let's look at the opening scene again since (see above) we're using it as hard evidence:

Professor Oak: Thank you, Reporter. Given that most of the Gym Masters have been killed, this year we decided that it would be to dangerous to keep all our fights focused on a few specific locations. Instead, I have supplied a few kids with a Pokedex and a starting pokemon, and released them into the Kanto region to find and defeat each other. The last one of them to survive will be crowned the Champion.

I do not believe for a second that these trainers are going to be scum. In all Pokemon media, the trainers started off by the local Professor are the protagonists. Whichever 'Team' is present is the antagonists. It's not a very complex plot. That's just how it is.

I know I'm going to risk an OMGUS (funny how I remember that of all things) swipe but Vote Exile for foolishly assuming that all trainers will be scum when it flies in the face of the theme.

I want to make clear it's not cause you voted me, otherwise I could have just have easily gone for Nark or madmitch.
Logically I should be going for madmitch since he's the only one close to me in votes - and a rival "MM" to boot, can't be having that - but I can't ignore weak logic like that to justice hopping on my bandwagon.


And now his rebuttal to my vote against him. Nice try but hard to hide what you already wrote.

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1) Way to ignore what my point actually was. It wasn't about their ages. It was about being associated with the Professor (Oak). The Professors have only [i]ever given Pokemon to 'good' trainers (apart from 'rivals' like Gary Oak, but they usually turned out not so bad in the end).
And in Mandy's scene we have Oak once again sending some kids out on their way with some Pokemon. So your point about these trainers is completely nonsensical at best. [/i]


Actually, he hands out pokemon to beginning trainers starting out. Not necessarily good or evil and as you have already agreed to ideas of cult like roles being in the game than a trainer could most certainly become town or mafia aligned. On top of this fact that I have stated above the team rocket members can clearly be considered trainers as can Giovanni which Chu mentioned to you earlier in a post. So nonsensical? Not so much...but nice try.

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2) And now you're putting words in my mouth. I literally said a few pages back that the odds of htting a scum trainer are bad because I have an inkling that there will be more town trainers than scum. Read: I have full confidence that Team Rocket are in the game and are also considered trainers. I also said I believe Gary Oak might be around, possibly as 3rd party. Now you tell me how you got "all trainers are good/town" from that?


Minister Masket wrote:
Cheers for the support. I also counter-agree on Team Rocket being trainers.



Pot, meet kettle...LOL :D

Minister Masket wrote:I can see I've picked up a few votes, but for anyone else watching, I think Mandy's story clue here is important.
Those kid trainers are almost 100% certain to be 'town' trainers. As for Team Rocket, while yes, it's likely they'll be here, it's by no means guaranteed. Giovanni I would say is likely sitting in the 'godfather' role, but he was never really a 'trainer' per se. More like a businessman who constantly got he lackies doing his work for him.

Don't think he's been mentioned yet but Gary Oak might be here too, maybe in a 3rd party capacity.

In a nutshell, I don't believe those are good enough odds to target what you believe is a trainer. You're more likely to hit town.


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I do not believe for a second that these trainers are going to be scum.


So...let me see if I got this right. Team rocket...not trainers. Giovanni, not a trainer. Almost 100% certain the "town" trainers are the ones professor Oak handed out the Pokemon too. Then you back it up by saying you don't believe for a second that those particular trainers are scum. Sounds to me like my arguments weren't built on lies at all...just your awful way with words and not understanding what you are saying. Because based on this you are telling us all trainers are obviously town.

Minister Masket wrote:Seriously? I don't mind being voted for a "slip-up", but when further arguemnts are built on lies, that's when it starts to get annoying.
The bandwagon against me is based on speculation. That's it. And it's not good enough when we have other players outright lying to justify their votes as is the case here.


You and Skoffin may believe I lied about what you said but let's be real...you slipped up several times. Whether or not you are 100% scum is hard to say. But what I take away from all of this is you slipped up you were a trainer and have tried through your comments to distance the fact the bad people can't be trainers with nearly 100% accuracy, thus making you obvious town. I don't buy it and as I have said before my vote on you shall stay.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Talapus on Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:13 pm

Skittles! wrote: Players such as talapus and serbia are really striking out at me with misinformation and constantly changing their votes in whatever way the conversation is going. FOS both of them.


I'm sorry my one joke vote for day one offended with my one other vote for a player in which I have backed up now on different occasions :?

Curious as to why 2 votes makes you suspicious when others have had more than that and they don't :P . Sorry had to point it out as this made me laugh. And damn you, now I want some skittles.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Skoffin on Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:48 pm

Fast posting before heading out, I'm I'm just responding to what Tal just posted now.

I don't see what you are getting at in regards to Masket's wording. As I understood it he was saying that Team rocket can be trainers (which is true), the kids Oak sent out are trainers (which is true) and trainers can have a mix of town/scum (which is assumed true). The trainers of Team Rocket have NOTHING to do with Professor Oak, therefore Professor Oak did not hand out any pokemon to any mafia team. So his comment that those kid trainers are not mafia is a fair assessment. I'm not getting where you are going with this.

Speaking on the topic of 'trainers might be cult!', I don't think that will be the case. I think there may be players with win conditions with a caveat. eg You win with town, but only if you meet another condition along the way. Such as Ash can only win with town if he beats Gary Oak (his famous rival) first. How to do that could be Gary has to be dead, or Ash just needs to find him etc. Maybe rival trainers have powers and they just need to use it on their rival ('battling') enough times, such as roleblocking (paralyse? confusion? Sleep powder?)
Okay I don't actually think that last part, but that is totally what I would put in :lol:
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - 1 sub needed

Postby Fircoal on Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:57 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:Vote count:

spurgistan (1) - Tim

kwanton (1) - kwanton, Strike

Strike wolf (1) - Mets

Tim (4) - new guy, Wing, Serbia, madmitch

Wing (1) - TWO

Minister Masket (5)- Yoshi, Anark, Exile,Talapus, BuJaber

BuJaber (1) - spurgistan

Mitch (5) - Nagerous, Fircoal, dakky, legionnare, Samlen

Exile (1) - Masket

Marashu (1) - Ragian

Talapus (1) - Skoffin

26 alive, 14 to lynch

I feel strangely confident that this VC is correct! :D


By your count Kwanton has 2 votes not 1. Not that I want to nitpick, but I do want to destroy your confidence. :3
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - 1 sub needed

Postby Fircoal on Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:36 pm

Skittles! wrote:
ADDITIONAL INFO ABOUT POKEMON FIGHTS (to be updated as necessary)

1. Each time a pokemon levels up, he or she is completely healed.

2. Leveling and awarding perks after leveling takes place AFTER all the Night's actions have been resolved. So, if you level up, you will be healed after the night ends. If you survive, that is. :twisted:

3. I will send you your Nightly feedbacks, AFTER I post the Day-scene, possibly over a Day or two, depending on how busy I am in RL. The point of this is to save time and shorten the Nights.

The order in which I send feedbacks is going to be serpentine, meaning that on Night 1, dakky receives his feedback (if any), first and Kwanton receives his (if any) last; on the Night 2 Kwanton receives his (if any) first and so forth.

4. TRAINERS: If you are controlling a big pokemon, you may not order it to eat a little pokemon. Let's keep it clean out there. ;)


Upon re-reading the rules.


HOW DARE YOU! This is the type of behavoir reserved for only the lowest of the low. Reading the rules? Don't you know you're supposed to ignore the first post!? IT'S A TRADITION. HOW ELSE CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS THAT WERE CLEARLY EXPLAINED? We're supposed to be lazy and annoying, not resourceful!

kwanton wrote:
BuJaber wrote:First of all did Kwanton really vote for himself? and if so... why the hell is he still on a joke vote?


Yeah. I do that every game. It's my thing. Ask the other vets.

unvote



vote kwanton


I can confirm this.


new guy1 wrote:@Fircoal, I can see what you mean by not being required to throw your vote every time you make a new post, it’s that his indecision for any case at all this late in the day doesn’t advance the day anywhere, and as has been mentioned by someone else, it doesn’t let the more vigilant players observe their voting patterns.


I mean yes votes are good but at the same time we do have talk which is also good. Not as good as votes but it's important. I don't see the issue with bringing up many points of view and being undecided. The fact that one brings up those thoughts and posts them gives us something to springboard off of. It's much better than nothing.

strike wolf wrote:Sorry. Meant to get on yesterday but got side tracked.

A bit hypocritical for me to say as one of the former essay kings but I am a bit uncomfortable with the number of book report type posts in this thread that despite length either come to the same conclusions or no conclusion at all. Then there is nag who broke his post into smaller pieces and concluded it by voting a safe target in an inactive.

Would agree on Mets seeming a bit quiet.

Posting now before my comp shuts down. Be back when it reboots.


Eh again I really don't see the point, if things are being brought up that's good. Even if teh same conclusions are being met it shows something. It shows a willingness to go along with the crowd, or more support behind a certain argument. More words is usually good for the town as there is more to dig though. If there is something scummy about these posts then what is it? It's true there may be scummy behavoir lurking in the essay posts but you need to bring those up and discuss them rather than just bring up the problems with a certain type. Furthmore, conclusions are hard to come up with espeically with mixed feelings. Let me use you for an example. This quote I'm quote looking suspcious to me because it seems like you're trying to quiet people from posting longer posts. However in the very next post you bring up Kwanton and provide reasoning to believe while you feel like he hasn't been adding as much as he could hve and has appeared active more than being active. That is a good thing imo. Now a good post imo who bring both of these facts up as they are realivent to the game. However the end result of them cancel out leaving no strong conclusion. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. There's a difference between being wishy-washy and trying to see both sides. If you want certain posts or stances scummy bring them up. Don't hint at them.


TimWoodbury wrote:so after reading through its been mentioned that there is a good possability that the trainers/pokemon pair know each other and chances of them being cult recruiters. this id have to say makes since.

so heres what were looking at right now for teams/groups

team rocket
trainer/pokemon pair
wild pokemon

now 1 crazy out there thought im gonna throw in where we have 20 some odd people we know gary is most likley in the game wich means ash is prolly in it, whats there long term goal other then catching them all...defeating the elite 4... im thinking the elite 4 are also in the game.

with that said i meant to do this a while ago unvote vote Anarkistsdream with the slip up a few pages ago saying we instead of they and other things he aint sitting right.

as others have said mitch is THE wildcard he can be good or bad and say stupid stuff and get himself killed early on his more better info seems to come on the few games where he dont kill himself early on so lets keep him alive a couple of days


Why are you bringing up a bunch of things that aren't relevant. I know you said you skimmed the last couple of pages because you're not used to it in your last post but sorry dude you're going to have to get used to it. Also I think we covered that voted AD is not a good idea at this point. And yet you do it. Do you have anything to say for yourself?


Anarkistsdream wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
@Nark: usually wincons are written separately, especially when quoting role PMs is allowed. Otherwise it would be too easy for "town", or whatever passes for town these days to clear each other.

Here's a link to a very recent Pokemon-themed game that mandy played in and may have inspired him somewhat.
Note the separate-written win-cons and the double wins for those who aren't sure how that would work.
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=610&t=219243&start=475#p4847831


OK.. Trying to show how you are right by using your OWN game as proof isn't exactly convincing, there, dude. By all means, show me at least two other games, if you want to try to prove a point... Mentioning your own just pushes your own agenda without actual proof.


But to be fair it exists. It's not like it's impossible to find because it is findable. ESpeically since all of the games here are public it's not like there's any difference between bringing up one's own game or another's. I personally bring up my games all the time. Part because I can see when they fit and part because I'm egotistical.

DoomYoshi wrote:Well, like Mr. Flay said it too:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=808583

Not doing it is lame.

ew mafiascum.


HotShot53 wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:
Ragian wrote:Anyoen care for my thoughts on Marashu? Also, do we have a deadline, Mandy the Mod?


No. If you guys end up feeling like no one is going to be able to get 14 votes then you can vote 'No lynch', but I'm not going to force your hand. The activity is good (2 pages per day) so there is no need for me to meddle. Days 1 and 2 are usually the longest once. (search "Sherwood Mafia" if you don't believe me :lol: )


Lol, based on past experience, someone voting "no lynch" will end the day for sure, as whoever votes it would get lynched.


A Catch 22!


Serbia wrote:
dakky21 wrote:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Who on earth is Spurgistan? Have they made a post?


You skimming too? PM the mod aka Mandy with those questions... he said it twice if I'm correct.


I don't believe Wing is ACTUALLY asking who Spurg is, dakky. It's more a comment on lack of activity.


I think that's dakky's point, that it's the mod's jurisdiction.


Talapus wrote: A LONG POST


HEllo and welcome back Tal. I don't have to say to your posts itself because I don't disagree with what you're saying. Furthermore I like how you are bringing them up and putting them out there. That is all good for otown. I do belive that you do have a good reason to suspect him. He is trying to push his agenda too hard. However from my own point of view I do have a gut feeling that MM isn't actually bad. This does seem like the type of heavoir that I've seen from him in the past. Furthermore I have a harder time believeing that he slipped up so badly so early if he was scum. None of this is concrete I know but that is the reading that I have on him.

BuJaber wrote:MM - Yes his posts seems innocent. The best scum are the best actors. So let's not let tone dictate how we look at the post contents. His lynch should provide the most answers. That is why I am now even happier leaving my vote on him. It is a longer-term strategy vote. However, if another person becomes more than just "could or could not be scum" then we should change to them. There are some people who we could assume, at least for now, that they are NOT scum. MM doesn't fit this category, so he's a decent lynch.

Kwanton - A sense of humor is great to have. And this is my first game with you and I already like you. However, answering my question by Unvoting yourself then revoting yourself? Sorry -- I can't see any logical reason a townie would do that. At least not a townie that cares about the game.

Dakky - Healthy level of skepticism he's showing, but based on previous experiences, less talking, less sticking his neck out with his opinions, less voting activity in general. Maybe it's just the size of the game, which is overwhelming I admit, but worth noting.


Let's go one by one.
@MM - Eh, what would his lynch answer? You're staying it'll provide teh most answers but what will it give us. I can see how he's suspcious but I don't think lynching him makes any more answers compared to anyone else. Also I counter that he's a good actor, but then again if he's scum he's also not the best scum either. :P (Sorry MM)

@Kwan, the reason why is that he's Kwan. I think he'd do that regardless of role.

@Dakky, granted I've never played with Dakky but at the same time I don't think he's doing anything suspicious. He says things that come out of nowhere, but at the same time it does seem like he's trying to figure out the game and who the scum are. That's good. I think it might look less to us due to the amount of posts we've been making. Each person's contributions will look lessor with more and more posts stacking up.


madmitch wrote:First of all unvote I think MM is a trainer but not for Team Rocket and that team cannot win ,it is not best for a lot of us. I believe Tim is a trainer for Team Rocket and since legion seems to be protecting him he must be one of tims pokemons. I believe Dakky could belong to that team also ,not sure yet as what. Here are my other thoughts Doom - pokemon,exile -pokemon, sam- wild pokemon, Wcg trainor with possible two pokemons Nark and Nag. so I will vote Tim


What? I mean I like how you're at least putting out your beliefs. That's good. Yet I fail to see any reasons behind those thoughts. Do you have any reasons?

Serbia wrote: Tim reacted to a mention of scum faction, then tried to leave it alone. That's scummy.

VOTE: Timmy

was fp by new guy.


Hmmmm... This seems like bandwagon jumpping. You were the 4th vote on MAsket at the time (granted one of those votes were mine, and now the 3rd vote on Tim. It feels like your votes seem to be drifting along with what the general consenious of the thread is. This was your Masket vote:

Serbia wrote:I posted this back on page 9. I think it's important to bring back up.

Serbia wrote:I went back and re-read, and will share the actual order of events here:
dakky21 wrote:And btw Serb, you are allowed to voted mandy, but that would be scummy just as is DY's voting Confirm. Actually, even mentioning you'd vote Mandy is scummy. If you don't care who will you vote, then you must be Team Rocket. I'll keep my vote on DY's joke confirm but you're the serious candidate now for something more real.

TimWoodbury wrote:Doom why mention team rocket who says they even in the game are you team rocket??


So in reality, it was DAKKY who automatically accused me of being Rocket. Tim followed it up with a question, which once ignored he let lie. My opinion? With Tim, I think it more likely he was legitimately asking the question, then moving on. With dakky, I'm not as confident. Maybe HE'S the Scum Genius immediately looking for a claim, since he's the one who actually brought it up. He's also the one who revenge voted me (scummy) and is throwing suspicions around like party favors, which also feels reckless and scummy. For now, my vote stands.


(I added the bold and large to this post - it did not exist in my original)

The first person to mention Team Rocket was dakky, not Tim. I know when I was considering voting for Tim, it's because I thought he brought it up, but he clearly was responding to dakky.

So, the two people in my mind who are most scummy are dakky and Masket, and I'd give an edge to Masket over this, because a role claim is worse than a faction identity suggestion, especially when that faction is known to be part of the story arc. (something which again, I have no idea of, as I never played the card game, haven't pokemon go'd, and never watched a second of any cartoon. I'm an old guy I guess) I still am suspicious of mitch, for his blasé vote, but perhaps less so when I think about it in reference to the other two.

UNVOTE VOTE: Masket

Just got fp by the mod


In my view, neither of your posts really give concrete reasons for their votes besides a small little blurb. For the shifting sands of this game that feels a bit light. ..Oh what is this? It looks like in here ytou have a question from yourself saying that Tim was just asking a question while Dakky was too blame. This is quite a turn around you've had. Why is that? Might it have anything to do with the game the chances of Tim getting lynched? With MM's vote count stalling and getting lower seems like a nice time to pile it onto someone else doesn't it.

While I do still find Mitch's lack of contributions and general demeanor as scummy, I do note that it seems that he is like Dakky and Tim in that this behavoir isn't that abnormal for him. (Something I did not know before hand.) I do still hold my suspisions of him however due to his attitude. However for now I think Serbia and his vote flopping needs a little pressure. So here you go. Unvote. Vote: Serbia
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby The Weird One on Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:00 pm

Quick post as I'm barely awake and having to retype all this because my phone just hade a stroke....I promise an essay, on Thursday...just not able to do so, today, and tomorrow's going to be worse. As for the MM case, what bothers me the most is that everyone seems to have jumped on it going off of the reasoning that trainer=non-town. I just don't grok...
sheepofdumb wrote:I'm not scum, just a threat to the town. There's a difference, thank you very much.

ga7 wrote: I'll keep my vote where it should be but just in case Vote Strike Wolf AND f*ck FLAMINGOS f*ck THEM HARD
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Marashu on Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:20 pm

Apologies for my terrible lack of posting. I skimmed the last few pages, but rather than trying to make decisions based on that, I'll give this a proper read-through (probably reread from daystart) and have something to properly post tomorrow, since I'll have much more time then.
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Re: Indigo League Mafia/RPG Day 1 - Full speed ahead!

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:00 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:As for voting me, as Dakky said, this has already been put to rest.. Two of my biggest opponents at first were BuJabber and WingCmd... They have both agreed that I am town. Other people certainly understand where they are coming from... Bringing something up from pages ago when it has already been determined to be a wild goose chase just makes you look very, very guilty...


I do not like this reasoning. It is an appeal to authority that only works if we trust or believe WCG or BuJaber. While I agree that it messes up the game if people keep bringing up old accusations that are no longer being discussed, saying "shut up, I'm obviously town" does not earn you any favors and looks slightly suspicious.

HotShot53 wrote:Lol, based on past experience, someone voting "no lynch" will end the day for sure, as whoever votes it would get lynched.


You know what also gets people lynched? Not voting anyone or participating in real cases, and sticking mostly to one-liners.

Serbia wrote:I'm going to go ahead and assume that this sentence is very poorly written, because I haven't been "striking out at" you at all, Skittles.


Think that meant that the information stood out to Skittles.

Skittles! wrote:Read above. I am wondering though, how do you read the rules and speculation about trainers being cultish, or not? Could you elaborate your own thoughts?

I lean towards 1) not trying to read information into the OP and 2) trainers only having the possibility of being cult if there's one group of trainers. But I just don't see the evidence for them being cult so this is not something I think is likely.

BuJaber wrote: It is much more likely that Tim is Team Rocket because he asked about them, rather than any other explanation involving him being naive or a townie setting a trap.


I guess I agree with that. I think I made the point earlier that he could have been rashly trying to set a trap but I can't really argue with the Occam's Razor logic. So though I'm not particularly confident, Tim is the person I'd go with most out of the suspects that have a reasonable lynch chance today.
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