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Haggis_McMutton wrote:2. Anyone else find it kind of funny that naxus is NK'd right after insisting that we're all paranoid?
safariguy5 wrote:Um, I haven't seen much evidence one way or another that would definitively convict or clear edoc.
Haggis_McMutton wrote:2. Anyone else find it kind of funny that naxus is NK'd right after insisting that we're all paranoid?
safariguy5 wrote:Um, I haven't seen much evidence one way or another that would definitively convict or clear edoc.
snowvillage wrote:safariguy5 wrote:Um, I haven't seen much evidence one way or another that would definitively convict or clear edoc.
My vote on edoc remains planted like my soul to the earth, though safari subtly "defending" edoc seems to cast edoc in a brighter light since I suspect safari as well and do not think our foes would so clearly band together.
Hunter S. Thompson wrote:The Edge... There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over..
DoomYoshi wrote:snowvillage wrote:safariguy5 wrote:Um, I haven't seen much evidence one way or another that would definitively convict or clear edoc.
My vote on edoc remains planted like my soul to the earth, though safari subtly "defending" edoc seems to cast edoc in a brighter light since I suspect safari as well and do not think our foes would so clearly band together.
I don't think Safari saying that there is a lack of evidence constitutes a defense. Since I am still willing to test my day 1 hypothesis, and since snow has continued to misrepresent reality, I Will vote snowvillage.
safariguy5 wrote:Hardly defending edoc there. Where's you're evidence of me being scummy? I haven't seen a single quote to back up the accusation. Just more "gut feeling" stuff that doesn't fly in mafia.
DoomYoshi wrote:snowvillage wrote:safariguy5 wrote:Um, I haven't seen much evidence one way or another that would definitively convict or clear edoc.
My vote on edoc remains planted like my soul to the earth, though safari subtly "defending" edoc seems to cast edoc in a brighter light since I suspect safari as well and do not think our foes would so clearly band together.
I don't think Safari saying that there is a lack of evidence constitutes a defense. Since I am still willing to test my day 1 hypothesis, and since snow has continued to misrepresent reality, I Will vote snowvillage.
safariguy5 wrote:Hardly defending edoc there. Where's you're evidence of me being scummy? I haven't seen a single quote to back up the accusation. Just more "gut feeling" stuff that doesn't fly in mafia.
evilchaos wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:snowvillage wrote:safariguy5 wrote:Um, I haven't seen much evidence one way or another that would definitively convict or clear edoc.
Eh. That's a sketchy post but I don't think it constitutes a vote.
I will vote for snow if he doesn't start posting detail analysis of players, though.
John Smith is the best!
snowvillage wrote:edoc, though I believe you to be against us, it seems as if I'm forced to side with you at this time based on the voting to come. Do you believe me to have a blackened soul? If not, I will take my vote off and call a truce.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
evilchaos wrote:snowvillage wrote:edoc, though I believe you to be against us, it seems as if I'm forced to side with you at this time based on the voting to come. Do you believe me to have a blackened soul? If not, I will take my vote off and call a truce.
I am tending to believe snow is town based on his last post and the obvious validity of his busdriver claim based on past night actions and their results. I do want to warn you not to make statements like this in the future, though, whether you are town or scum. Your voting should never depend on what the votee thinks of you. That has no bearing on anything, and only scum would care about keeping the players who like them around for longer periods of time.
edocsil wrote:God, what a frustrating read with the walls of text. Snow, the idea in mafia is to take examples of someone doing something scummy and then make a case for lynching them. You can't go and say "I have already made my case and I think he is scum!" for 5 paragraphs. The PR is now really getting in the way. If you actually desire to make a future case drop the PR, and speak in plain speech, and fulfill your PR with a one liner like the others.
snowvillage wrote:On the contrary. Let your mind imagine a 3-way lylo where you wish to vote Player A, but Player B insists on voting you. At that point, you have no choice but to vote Player B and hope you were wrong about Player A. Also, I explicitly told edoc I still fos him but will unvote him out of necessity. Now he must decide. Does he risk voting me and possibly look scummy for it, or does he turn his attention elsewhere, possibly busing on a potential partner if he is indeed scum?
Unvote edocsil
Hunter S. Thompson wrote:The Edge... There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over..
DoomYoshi wrote:snowvillage wrote:On the contrary. Let your mind imagine a 3-way lylo where you wish to vote Player A, but Player B insists on voting you. At that point, you have no choice but to vote Player B and hope you were wrong about Player A. Also, I explicitly told edoc I still fos him but will unvote him out of necessity. Now he must decide. Does he risk voting me and possibly look scummy for it, or does he turn his attention elsewhere, possibly busing on a potential partner if he is indeed scum?
Unvote edocsil
I don't understand what a 3-way lylo has anything to do with what is going on here. Also, how does edoc look scummy by voting you?
There is a lot you are not explaining very properly. From Me to You, My vote stays.
snowvillage wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:snowvillage wrote:On the contrary. Let your mind imagine a 3-way lylo where you wish to vote Player A, but Player B insists on voting you. At that point, you have no choice but to vote Player B and hope you were wrong about Player A. Also, I explicitly told edoc I still fos him but will unvote him out of necessity. Now he must decide. Does he risk voting me and possibly look scummy for it, or does he turn his attention elsewhere, possibly busing on a potential partner if he is indeed scum?
Unvote edocsil
I don't understand what a 3-way lylo has anything to do with what is going on here. Also, how does edoc look scummy by voting you?
There is a lot you are not explaining very properly. From Me to You, My vote stays.
Confusion is not an excuse for hate or willingness to kill. The 3-way lylo was an example showing why other people's opinions can have bearing on a vote. If I believe someone to be scummy, but everyone else wants to lynch me, then I have no choice but to unvote the scummy player and cross with one of the people voting me. Open your mind and see the context, or are you intentionally feigning confusion and touting hackneyed retorts about the supposed irrelevance of my sayings?
I also said edoc would "possibly" look scummy voting me if he sees that my defense is impassioned and pure but votes me regardless. The innocent among you would be able to see if he's abusing the situation by continuing to vote me when he knows several others are voting me as well. On the other hand, if he's scum, then he knows I am not, and might be afraid to vote me lest my purity becomes obvious to more of you. His action will provide a foundry of information.
Yoshi, this haste that you're displaying at such a dire time is very concerning and casts an unpleasant shadow over you. If this is not a reaction test, then you are surely proving to be a major obstacle in our path to salvation, either intentionally as scum, or as a brazen, foolhardy townie. I do not take you as the latter.
evilchaos wrote:snowvillage wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:snowvillage wrote:On the contrary. Let your mind imagine a 3-way lylo where you wish to vote Player A, but Player B insists on voting you. At that point, you have no choice but to vote Player B and hope you were wrong about Player A. Also, I explicitly told edoc I still fos him but will unvote him out of necessity. Now he must decide. Does he risk voting me and possibly look scummy for it, or does he turn his attention elsewhere, possibly busing on a potential partner if he is indeed scum?
Unvote edocsil
I don't understand what a 3-way lylo has anything to do with what is going on here. Also, how does edoc look scummy by voting you?
There is a lot you are not explaining very properly. From Me to You, My vote stays.
Confusion is not an excuse for hate or willingness to kill. The 3-way lylo was an example showing why other people's opinions can have bearing on a vote. If I believe someone to be scummy, but everyone else wants to lynch me, then I have no choice but to unvote the scummy player and cross with one of the people voting me. Open your mind and see the context, or are you intentionally feigning confusion and touting hackneyed retorts about the supposed irrelevance of my sayings?
I also said edoc would "possibly" look scummy voting me if he sees that my defense is impassioned and pure but votes me regardless. The innocent among you would be able to see if he's abusing the situation by continuing to vote me when he knows several others are voting me as well. On the other hand, if he's scum, then he knows I am not, and might be afraid to vote me lest my purity becomes obvious to more of you. His action will provide a foundry of information.
Yoshi, this haste that you're displaying at such a dire time is very concerning and casts an unpleasant shadow over you. If this is not a reaction test, then you are surely proving to be a major obstacle in our path to salvation, either intentionally as scum, or as a brazen, foolhardy townie. I do not take you as the latter.
Not everyone who pressures you is scum...your OMGUS attitude throughout the game is pointless and does not help us win.
Instead of FOSing every single person who votes for you or questions you, why don't you scumhunt? kthxbye
I'm convinced snow is noobtown, albeit an annoying noobtown.
John Smith is better than us all!
Also, we should focus on someone other than snow. His claim is believable and was confirmed by night actions. He is a busdriver. He plays as noobtown. No scum would draw this much attention to themselves, noob or not. Our argument back and forth which involves him accusing everyone who posts of being scum is unhelpful and will lead to a town loss.
snowvillage wrote:evilchaos wrote:Not everyone who pressures you is scum...your OMGUS attitude throughout the game is pointless and does not help us win.
Instead of FOSing every single person who votes for you or questions you, why don't you scumhunt? kthxbye
I'm convinced snow is noobtown, albeit an annoying noobtown.
John Smith is better than us all!
Also, we should focus on someone other than snow. His claim is believable and was confirmed by night actions. He is a busdriver. He plays as noobtown. No scum would draw this much attention to themselves, noob or not. Our argument back and forth which involves him accusing everyone who posts of being scum is unhelpful and will lead to a town loss.
Hey as long as you think I'm town, my soul is satiated. : P
evilchaos wrote:Also, we should focus on someone other than snow. His claim is believable and was confirmed by night actions. He is a busdriver. He plays as noobtown. No scum would draw this much attention to themselves, noob or not. Our argument back and forth which involves him accusing everyone who posts of being scum is unhelpful and will lead to a town loss.
Hunter S. Thompson wrote:The Edge... There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over..
DoomYoshi wrote:evilchaos wrote:Also, we should focus on someone other than snow. His claim is believable and was confirmed by night actions. He is a busdriver. He plays as noobtown. No scum would draw this much attention to themselves, noob or not. Our argument back and forth which involves him accusing everyone who posts of being scum is unhelpful and will lead to a town loss.
False. His claim is believable, but it makes no sense from a setup perspective to have 3 town busdrivers. Especially if all 3 of the busdrivers would be made useless by the prescence of a lightning rod. Saying that scum will not draw attention to themselves is kind of wrong, and in fact borders on WIFOM. If scum do not focus attention on themselves, how can scumhunting ever work?
safariguy5 wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:evilchaos wrote:Also, we should focus on someone other than snow. His claim is believable and was confirmed by night actions. He is a busdriver. He plays as noobtown. No scum would draw this much attention to themselves, noob or not. Our argument back and forth which involves him accusing everyone who posts of being scum is unhelpful and will lead to a town loss.
False. His claim is believable, but it makes no sense from a setup perspective to have 3 town busdrivers. Especially if all 3 of the busdrivers would be made useless by the prescence of a lightning rod. Saying that scum will not draw attention to themselves is kind of wrong, and in fact borders on WIFOM. If scum do not focus attention on themselves, how can scumhunting ever work?
It doesn't just border on WIFOM, it IS WIFOM. Scum often act as active townies to not look like scummariners. Especially early on.
evilchaos wrote:I'm curious as to the case on me Saf. I've had a confirmed role for the entire game that is only really useful for town. Why would cult have a recruiting mason?
Haggis_McMutton wrote:2. Anyone else find it kind of funny that naxus is NK'd right after insisting that we're all paranoid?
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