[Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [8/14] D4:Twisted Pattern

by **StorrZerg** on Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:51 pm

aage wrote:Nice job on the win condition phrasing. In hindsight the balance is actually okay except for two things: fake claims and Lan's role. It's pretty overpowered once the cop claims. Good job on this game.

flat 2 mafia i think wasn't very bright. game could have ended by n1, with a good vig shot.

by **Endgame422** on Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:57 pm

Storr,
You had no suspicion you may be traitor?
Your PM kinda suggested it and im just curious.

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:00 pm

I dont know about 2 mafia being too small. If Streaker hadnt been lynched D1, then we would have been taken out Town at an alarming rate. IB and Mets would have been dead straight away. Gt/End was only alive because he wasnt targeting me. His post day 2 made it clear he was Vig, so nothing really to fear apart from daylynch, and multiple roleblocks to play havoc with other actions.

Why am I not in the vote? Not being funny, but until Aage destroyed me, I was doing rather well of hiding in plain sight.

by **StorrZerg** on Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:03 pm

Endgame422 wrote:Storr,
You had no suspicion you may be traitor?
Your PM kinda suggested it and im just curious.

i had no idea of the flavor of this game when i joined. I suspected it was something closer to 3rd party recruitment . but not traitor. I would have expected different wincon phrasing, like i couldn't win as town.. if i was a real traitor

i suspected i might be joining some random ass 3p. Could be town sided or anti town idk.

A peddler on the outside you have sworn oaths to the Great Lord. However you are free to do as you will until he calls upon you.

this doesn't scream mafia traitor. If i was more aware of the flavor, how ever, it still could have been something different.

by **StorrZerg** on Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:13 pm

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:I dont know about 2 mafia being too small. If Streaker hadnt been lynched D1, then we would have been taken out Town at an alarming rate. IB and Mets would have been dead straight away. Gt/End was only alive because he wasnt targeting me. His post day 2 made it clear he was Vig, so nothing really to fear apart from daylynch, and multiple roleblocks to play havoc with other actions.

Why am I not in the vote? Not being funny, but until Aage destroyed me, I was doing rather well of hiding in plain sight.

even with out aage in the game, its unlikely you made it to end game. you did a good job keeping suspicion off you. Also if gt/end claimed day 2 start, then it really narrows down the things that happen. marash doesn't get miss lynched at this point as well. plenty of what ifs. And the same reason you are not up for nomination, i suspect is the same reason why virus/ streaker are not. they did not make end game / wincon.

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:18 pm

Just two recruitments from victory.

Mets was the only player who bothered me until Aage came along. So I have voted for him.

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:02 pm

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Why am I not in the vote?

Traditionally MVP is only awarded to someone who won the game (or successfully survived, as the case may be).

by **StorrZerg** on Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:04 pm

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Just two recruitments from victory.

Mets was the only player who bothered me until Aage came along. So I have voted for him.

what makes you think anyone was going to recruit with you? From what i understand im the only person that could have been recrutied unwillingly

not to mention, how you would be killing tons of people

by **Iron Butterfly** on Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:46 pm

lol i see some must have voted for themselves.

To me agee was the game changer and he lived till the end. He was more present then some who played all game.

by **HotShot53** on Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:12 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:lol i see some must have voted for themselves.

To me agee was the game changer and he lived till the end. He was more present then some who played all game.

I think a lot of the spread of votes is because there is no real MVP... aage said himself to not vote him since he just solved the game with flavor. I didn't vote for myself and am surprised someone else did... but I guess I was right about my town reads even though no-one listened to me at the time lol. I did think wing was town after he said streaker's claim was fake... so I wouldn't have been right about that one.

What won the game for us was a lack of a good fake claim for wing.

by **Endgame422** on Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:31 pm

Im on hotshot and mars as town sacrifices.
Does anyone need the premium though?
May as well give it to someone who will actually play some games.

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:19 am

StorrZerg wrote:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Just two recruitments from victory.

Mets was the only player who bothered me until Aage came along. So I have voted for him.

what makes you think anyone was going to recruit with you? From what i understand im the only person that could have been recrutied unwillingly

not to mention, how you would be killing tons of people

Tal and mitch. The real question is how scummy would my night chat have to be to convince Tal indirectly that there were already multiple tainted people.

Killing tonnes of people was referring to if Streaker had not be lynched D1, that would have left us with two killing abilities... +GT

by **StorrZerg** on Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:01 am

Again, why do you think they would get recruited. They could just say no right?

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:44 am

Two nights of no known recruitment could be scummarised to mean that mafia had three players. In which case 3/5 is quite appealing to a town player.

As I said, I needed to run the theory first to get Tal to pick it up. As long as End is dead, I can outright tell Mitch in the night that he wins if he accepts recruitment for the second one. The difficulty is in how much I would have had to expose myself to get Tal to accept.

by **Metsfanmax** on Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:51 am

I would have accepted recruitment, lol.

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:53 am

oh for feck sake. I had you pegged as town till you die! Mafia Masoned to town would have made this piss easy.

by **Metsfanmax** on Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:57 am

My thinking was that I could just use my protective powers on whoever recruited me, and IB would never know that I wasn't still protecting him (at least until he died, after which point he couldn't call me out).

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:22 am

I never even considered how your roles would affect whether you would accept recruitment. Presumably VT Mtam would have been more open to recruitment too, and that would have helped as he wanted me lynched for ages.

I did spend a lot of time wanting someone to discuss strategy with, its much harder flying solo.

by **Talapus** on Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:40 pm

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Two nights of no known recruitment could be scummarised to mean that mafia had three players. In which case 3/5 is quite appealing to a town player.

As I said, I needed to run the theory first to get Tal to pick it up. As long as End is dead, I can outright tell Mitch in the night that he wins if he accepts recruitment for the second one. The difficulty is in how much I would have had to expose myself to get Tal to accept.

Sadly, I may have listened. I has suspicions of you about halfway through but never anything enough that made it seem you were the main scum to looks for. At the most I thought maybe you had been recruited or something. And then all the flavor pushes came in and I got waaaaaaay lost. These are a heck of a lot easier when you at least know and like the back story in my mind.