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mrswdk wrote:It won't turn into a new Tiananmen, don't worry.
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Dukasaur wrote:mrswdk wrote:It won't turn into a new Tiananmen, don't worry.
Oh, that's reassuring.
mrswdk wrote:Good luck finding soldiers who would be prepared to march on kids in Hong Kong.
muy_thaiguy wrote:Not surprised Hong Kong is doing this. Up until recently, they had Western standards of freedom. Now, they're under Chinese rule, and look at Tienanmen Square. Be safe Hong Kong residents.
GoranZ wrote:muy_thaiguy wrote:Not surprised Hong Kong is doing this. Up until recently, they had Western standards of freedom. Now, they're under Chinese rule, and look at Tienanmen Square. Be safe Hong Kong residents.
You mean Hong Kong was under 150 years concession of UK that "recently" ended... That "recently" was in 1997, 17 years ago
Hong Kong is not under Chinese rule... its essential part of China, and in China apply Chinese rules.
I think now China understands why straighten its ties with Russia will bring bigger stability for her.
The potential for a "mini-Tiananmen" movement to evolve from pro-democracy class boycotts at local secondary schools and universities worries the government, a former chief of the Security Bureau says.
Suspicions have also been aroused in the corridors of power that the students are becoming a tool for Occupy Central to boost its fight for genuine universal suffrage, because it has failed to mobilise support from the middle class, according to executive councillor Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee.
But she doubts the pressure will succeed in making Beijing cave in and retract a reform framework laid down on August 31 - ruling out a genuine choice of candidates for voters in the 2017 chief executive poll - despite the political tensions weighing on the Hong Kong government.
Ip told the South China Morning Post of prevailing sentiments in the government last week while the class boycotts were in full swing, ahead of the formal launch of Occupy's first operation yesterday.
"On the face of it, the students are voicing their demands for democracy and self-determination," Ip said.
"I think the worry on the part of the Hong Kong government is, what if it becomes a mini-Tiananmen? Who is behind it?"
At 7.15pm, police issued a statement saying that protesters violently charged the police cordon outside the government headquarters. "After police repeated warnings and protesters refused to leave, police decided to escalate the use of force and tear gas was used to stop those acts which endangered public safety and public order," it said.
But protesters were shocked. A 13-year-old boy said: "I was here for the past two days and I can't believe police would resort to tear gas. My eyes hurt so badly and my lungs are burning ... police have used excessive force today."
Felix Tang, 25, who had been protesting near Admiralty Centre, said: "No one even guessed the police would be so violent. We are unarmed, we only have our hands."
His friend, Eric Lai, 27, who was not wearing goggles, said: "Don't let my look fool you - I am really scared."
mrswdk wrote:Apparently the riot police have by-and-large been withdrawn now.
Those protestors are treading a very fine line. Deliberately choking off the business district and transport networks, with the effect of forcing business closures and other disruptions? I mean, one can understand that they feel the need to make a strong point but, frankly, they are just begging for a heavy response from law enforcement.
BigBallinStalin wrote:GoranZ wrote:muy_thaiguy wrote:Not surprised Hong Kong is doing this. Up until recently, they had Western standards of freedom. Now, they're under Chinese rule, and look at Tienanmen Square. Be safe Hong Kong residents.
You mean Hong Kong was under 150 years concession of UK that "recently" ended... That "recently" was in 1997, 17 years ago
Hong Kong is not under Chinese rule... its essential part of China, and in China apply Chinese rules.
I think now China understands why straighten its ties with Russia will bring bigger stability for her.
You say that as if it's a good thing. Why is it reasonable for HK to increasingly resemble the Chinese model of government--when HK's model has produced one of the richest and more free places in the world?
macbone wrote:GoranZ, Hong Kong enjoys something called "one country, two systems," where in principle they retain certain freedoms not afforded in mainland China, such as the freedom of the press and the promise of universal suffrage in 2017. What that is going to look like is what is currently under debate, with China saying, OK, guys, you have to do things the way we say, and pro-democracy Hong Kongers expecting China to honor its promises when it signed the hand-over agreements from Great Britain.
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