Viktor Bout is Free!

[saxitoxin]

Old Joe today agreed to release the "Merchant of Death" Viktor Bout, the #1 global arms trafficker, in exchange for WNBA player Britney Griner who had been detained in Moscow for snorting drugs a few months back. Asked by the Russian Federation to choose for release either Griner or Paul Whelan - a decorated U.S. Marine who has been rotting in a Russian work camp for the last three years - Biden chose Griner.

Thanks to Old Joe, Viktor can now reassume control of his business, supplying MANPADs and small arms to child soldiers fighting in wars and civil insurgencies across the planet. Griner, meanwhile, can resume playing ladies basketball in front of crowds of two or even three thousand.



Bout was the inspiration for the Cage film LORD OF WAR.

[saxitoxin]

[saxitoxin]

The Russian Federation has released footage showing the moment the Merchant of Death, who was all smiles, was transferred from U.S. Federal Marshals to Russian FSB agents at an airport in the UAE. Hugs and handshakes all around!

[bigtoughralf]

Biden with another piece of muscular diplomacy there.

See also: being shown in the back door of bin Salman's house and granted a photo op of them doing a fist bump, only a few months before bin Salman welcomed Xi Jinping with a lavish royal guard and hearty, smiley hand shake on the front steps of his palace. Then signed a major deal welcoming Huawei to build cloud computer infrastructure in the Kingdom.

[jimboston]

Old Joe today agreed to release the "Merchant of Death" Viktor Bout, the #1 global arms trafficker, in exchange for WNBA player Britney Griner who had been detained in Moscow for snorting drugs a few months back. Asked by the Russian Federation to choose for release either Griner or Paul Whelan - a decorated U.S. Marine who has been rotting in a Russian work camp for the last three years - Biden chose Griner.

Thanks to Old Joe, Viktor can now reassume control of his business, supplying MANPADs and small arms to child soldiers fighting in wars and civil insurgencies across the planet. Griner, meanwhile, can resume playing ladies basketball in front of crowds of two or even three thousand.

Additional elaboration provided by the psychotic brain of Saxi.

How do you know Biden was given a choice? Is that reported or did you get this information directly from your KGB Handler in Russia?

[saxitoxin]

Old Joe today agreed to release the "Merchant of Death" Viktor Bout, the #1 global arms trafficker, in exchange for WNBA player Britney Griner who had been detained in Moscow for snorting drugs a few months back. Asked by the Russian Federation to choose for release either Griner or Paul Whelan - a decorated U.S. Marine who has been rotting in a Russian work camp for the last three years - Biden chose Griner.

Thanks to Old Joe, Viktor can now reassume control of his business, supplying MANPADs and small arms to child soldiers fighting in wars and civil insurgencies across the planet. Griner, meanwhile, can resume playing ladies basketball in front of crowds of two or even three thousand.

Additional elaboration provided by the psychotic brain of Saxi.

How do you know Biden was given a choice? Is that reported or did you get this information directly from your KGB Handler in Russia?

Only two parties know for sure: Biden and the RF.

Biden has said they "didn't have a choice" while the RF is not commenting.

Given the many lies the Biden Administration has been caught in on foreign policy matters, dating back to the panicked retreat from Afghanistan, a person who is not a dupe or idiot would be unlikely to simply be spoonfed the assurance that there was "not a choice," particularly since this explanation was only presented after criticism started to emerge. Independent experts, assessing the situation, believe that either:

(a) this exchange makes zero sense in the absence of a choice given Viktor Bout is probably the highest profile war criminal on the planet Earth wanted in 32 countries and responsible for flooding numerous war zones with guns, while Paul Whelan is a relative no-one who was jailed for photographing a building he wasn't suppsoed to, or,
(b) the Biden Administration is completely incompetent when it comes to negotiating.

However, like I said, dupes and idiots may choose to exercise their right to take Biden's word at face value without the filter of so much as a single ounce of critical thought like this ---



--- and that is their right which I solemnly respect.

[saxitoxin]

Many of the normally slavish, lap dog American media are being very circumspect in their headlines. The WaPo notably is "Griner Release: How the White House Says it Happened" versus "Griner Release: How it Happened." It ain't much, but for this media establishment is still a big step.

[bigtoughralf]

Reuters is saying that Biden attempted to secure both Whelan and Grinder's release and was told 'one or none'.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-basket ... 022-12-08/

[saxitoxin]

Reuters is saying that Biden attempted to secure both Whelan and Grinder's release and was told 'one or none'.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-basket ... 022-12-08/

Again, relying on Administration claims with no evidence and no logic but with knowledge that most Americans will simply believe what they're told without need for evidence, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

This is typical. Reuters declared the New York Post Hunter Biden story a "Russian hoax" based on information fed to them by "trusted U.S. intelligence operatives," information we now know was a total lie that they dutifully repeated and have had to since issue a retraction on. Reuters also confidently reported Biden's announcement that the Afghan forces were pushing back the Taliban on all fronts ... 36 hours before Kabul was overrun and the U.S. ambassador had to flee for his life by helicopter.

And still Americans believe what they're told. No matter how many lies, they will never stop believing.

Snowden recently shared a 1983 documentary in which several ex CIA officers are quoted about how they trade tips to journalists in exchange for said journalists reporting PR claims as fact. I'll see if I can find it. Greenwald has also spoken about how this was SOP when he reported on national security.

[jusplay4fun]

Reuters is saying that Biden attempted to secure both Whelan and Grinder's release and was told 'one or none'.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-basket ... 022-12-08/

Again, relying on Administration claims with no evidence and no logic but with knowledge that most Americans will simply believe what they're told without need for evidence, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

This is typical. Reuters declared the New York Post Hunter Biden story a "Russian hoax" based on information fed to them by "trusted U.S. intelligence operatives," information we now know was a total lie that they dutifully repeated and have had to since issue a retraction on.

Snowden recently shared a 1983 documentary in which several ex CIA officers are quoted about how they trade tips to journalists in exchange for said journalists reporting PR claims as fact. I'll see if I can find it. Greenwald has also spoken about how this was SOP when he reported on national security.

Do you mean this?

"The choice before us was one or none," U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told CBS News. "And the president decided that it was important to at least bring Brittney home now and continue to work on getting Paul back, too."

[ConfederateSS]

---------------- Should of stuck with.... AMERICA doesn't deal with hostage takers....You can call it, Russia took prisoners.... ...... Shouldn't of delt at all with Russia..... Truthfully, Americans should not travel at all... That is a few years ago...That The World dislikes , despises America....It is more so now than ever....
---------------- The fact that a deal was made....for who ever....Now every American around the world....Has a bounty on their head....

------------------ But of a choice between a Man , Marine(former but still a Marine) who upholds Honor.....Or a Woman, private citizen, civilian....Biden made the Correct choice.... Chivalry ....Woman and Children first....CASE CLOSED.....

--------------- Warning....Do not travel Americans....STAY SAFE.... STAY HOME...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[saxitoxin]

Reuters is saying that Biden attempted to secure both Whelan and Grinder's release and was told 'one or none'.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-basket ... 022-12-08/

Again, relying on Administration claims with no evidence and no logic but with knowledge that most Americans will simply believe what they're told without need for evidence, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

This is typical. Reuters declared the New York Post Hunter Biden story a "Russian hoax" based on information fed to them by "trusted U.S. intelligence operatives," information we now know was a total lie that they dutifully repeated and have had to since issue a retraction on.

Snowden recently shared a 1983 documentary in which several ex CIA officers are quoted about how they trade tips to journalists in exchange for said journalists reporting PR claims as fact. I'll see if I can find it. Greenwald has also spoken about how this was SOP when he reported on national security.

Do you mean this?

"The choice before us was one or none," U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told CBS News. "And the president decided that it was important to at least bring Brittney home now and continue to work on getting Paul back, too."

This part, which is based on nothing more than a government statement with no evidence but has been stripped of context and presented as fact In Reuters voice (even as numerous experts are saying it beguiles any logic and simply makes no sense):

Russia rejected Biden's attempt to gain the freedom of Paul Whelan, a former Marine also held in Russia, forcing Biden to opt to get out only Griner. He said in his announcement, without providing details, that the Russians were treated Whelan's case differently.

Best case scenario, in the UNLIKELY event it's true it still makes Biden look like a complete incompetent that he's holding the world's top war criminal who is personally connected to Medvedev and can only get a girls' bball player in return.

[jusplay4fun]

Reuters is saying that Biden attempted to secure both Whelan and Grinder's release and was told 'one or none'.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-basket ... 022-12-08/

Again, relying on Administration claims with no evidence and no logic but with knowledge that most Americans will simply believe what they're told without need for evidence, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

This is typical. Reuters declared the New York Post Hunter Biden story a "Russian hoax" based on information fed to them by "trusted U.S. intelligence operatives," information we now know was a total lie that they dutifully repeated and have had to since issue a retraction on.

Snowden recently shared a 1983 documentary in which several ex CIA officers are quoted about how they trade tips to journalists in exchange for said journalists reporting PR claims as fact. I'll see if I can find it. Greenwald has also spoken about how this was SOP when he reported on national security.

Do you mean this?

"The choice before us was one or none," U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told CBS News. "And the president decided that it was important to at least bring Brittney home now and continue to work on getting Paul back, too."

This part, which is based on nothing more than a government statement with no evidence but has been stripped of context and presented as fact In Reuters voice (even as numerous experts are saying it beguiles any logic and simply makes no sense):

Russia rejected Biden's attempt to gain the freedom of Paul Whelan, a former Marine also held in Russia, forcing Biden to opt to get out only Griner. He said in his announcement, without providing details, that the Russians were treated Whelan's case differently.

Yes, I have read that account in more than one source about this prisoner swap.

[jimboston]

“One or none” doesn;t necessarily mean he got to choose which “one”.

You, Saxi, are making a statement as “FACT” that which no one knows.

Maybe he did have a choice, maybe not… I’m simply pointing out your typical MO of stating your speculation as FACT.

It’s a smart debating tactic… but it’s just that, a tactic and a dishonest tactic at that.

Please rewrite your OP and point out what are facts and what’s speculation.

This would be the proper thing.

“It’s my opinion that Slow Joe made this choice… blah blah blah…”

[saxitoxin]

Reuters is saying that Biden attempted to secure both Whelan and Grinder's release and was told 'one or none'.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-basket ... 022-12-08/

Again, relying on Administration claims with no evidence and no logic but with knowledge that most Americans will simply believe what they're told without need for evidence, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

This is typical. Reuters declared the New York Post Hunter Biden story a "Russian hoax" based on information fed to them by "trusted U.S. intelligence operatives," information we now know was a total lie that they dutifully repeated and have had to since issue a retraction on.

Snowden recently shared a 1983 documentary in which several ex CIA officers are quoted about how they trade tips to journalists in exchange for said journalists reporting PR claims as fact. I'll see if I can find it. Greenwald has also spoken about how this was SOP when he reported on national security.

Do you mean this?

"The choice before us was one or none," U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told CBS News. "And the president decided that it was important to at least bring Brittney home now and continue to work on getting Paul back, too."

This part, which is based on nothing more than a government statement with no evidence but has been stripped of context and presented as fact In Reuters voice (even as numerous experts are saying it beguiles any logic and simply makes no sense):

Russia rejected Biden's attempt to gain the freedom of Paul Whelan, a former Marine also held in Russia, forcing Biden to opt to get out only Griner. He said in his announcement, without providing details, that the Russians were treated Whelan's case differently.

Yes, I have read that account in more than one source about this prisoner swap.

because REUTERS IS A SYNDICATE

that's how it works ... you think the Appleton Review-Herald has a national security correspondent at the Pentagon?

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Please rewrite your OP and point out what are facts and what’s speculatio

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[ConfederateSS]

----------------- You know how Biden always screws things up , big time....Like I said Britney was the right choice....But no delt should of been made.... What's the worst possible scenario????.....Who takes over Russia/Soviet Union....after Putin.....Wait for it....................VIKTOR BOUT....ouch... wouldn't that be Ironic....That is the way America's luck is going right now....... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[saxitoxin]

In April your wife comes home late and says she had an emergency dentist appointment. You later find out she lied and was fucking the neighbor.

In May your wife comes home late and says she had a flat tire. You later find out she lied and was fucking the neighbor.

In June your wife comes home late and says she was attending an impromptu civil rights march. You later find out she lied and was fucking the neighbor.

In July your wife comes home late and says she was kidnapped by aliens.

In the absence of PROOF, what is the MOST REASONABLE thing to assume?





It appears there are a lot of cuckolds on CC.

[saxitoxin]

Griner’s case was famous, but her offense was minor.

The same cannot, by any stretch, be said of Bout.

Nicknamed “The Merchant of Death,” he was arrested in 2008 in Thailand after a sting operation. Bout believed he was selling a massive tranche of arms — including 30,000 AK-47s and 800 surface-to-air missiles — to a left-wing Colombian guerrilla group, the FARC.

Prosecutors asserted that the deal was being made “with the specific understanding that the weapons were to be used to attack U.S. helicopters in Colombia.”

Bout was ultimately extradited in 2010, convicted on conspiracy charges in 2011 and, in early 2012, sentenced to 25 years in prison.

Marking his conviction, then-Attorney General Eric Holder released a statement calling Bout “one of the world’s most prolific arms dealers” and condemning “his efforts to sell millions of dollars worth of weapons to terrorists and killing Americans.”

Bout’s notoriety — and the gravity of his offenses — will lead many Americans to conclude that the Russians got the better side of the deal.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... cal-risks/

Is Biden a senile fool or a Russian asset? Or is this millionaire justice? Those who have the millions, get the justice.

[saxitoxin]

Frank Sepp discusses with 60 Minutes how the USG launders information to journalists: provide info they have no means to verify ("there's a 20% buildup of Vietnamese troops" or "the Afghan Army is seeing huge Taliban defections and is about to overrun Taliban positions near Kabul" or "the Russians won't prisoner swap non celebrities like Paul Whelan, they said they'll only trade basketball players because they're too tall to fit into a jail cell") with the implication they can either run it as a fact or be cut off from future exclusives.



Doe eyed, gullible Americans then drink up this soppy lemonade between trips to McDonald's and watching Netflix serials.

[jusplay4fun]

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Please rewrite your OP and point out what are facts and what’s speculatio

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=238886#p5267609

jimb expects too much from saxi; why would HE CHANGE his SOP?

[bigtoughralf]

Reuters is saying that Biden attempted to secure both Whelan and Grinder's release and was told 'one or none'.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-basket ... 022-12-08/

Again, relying on Administration claims with no evidence and no logic but with knowledge that most Americans will simply believe what they're told without need for evidence, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

lol I figured the Reuters story backed up your narrative that Biden chosen Griner over Whelan

Think it's time sleepytoxin got some shut eye !

[jimboston]

Some guy at the gym was asking people…

“What’s the worst trade eva, the Babe or Griner?”

Of course for us New Englanders the Red Sox trading Babe Ruth is a defining experience and it’s a “matter of faith” that this was the worst trade ever. So this guy is a regular comedian comparing the two.

I said Ruth was the worst trade. My logic is that the curse imposed on Boston for that trade resulted in hanging an albatross on the necks of Red Sox Nation for 84 years. We’ll all forget about Griner in 84 hours.

[GaryDenton]

Does Saxi ever tell the truth?

Russia only offered one deal after the first few weeks despite many requests, this one-for-one or nothing. Earlier they had also wanted a Russian murderer.
She had a doctor's prescription for MJ vapes and she says she forgot about them when hurriedly packing.

Add least he is not adding in all the Trump lies about this deal in the thread, so far.

Remember Trump, who negotiated for 5000 Taliban fighters to be released in exchange for US troops not being attacked while they took over our ally Afghanistan and was later on tape bragging about it?

[jimboston]

[quote="saxitoxin"]In April your wife comes home late and says she had an emergency dentist appointment. You later find out she lied and was fucking the neighbor.

In May your wife comes home late and says she had a flat tire. You later find out she lied and was fucking the neighbor.

In June your wife comes home late and says she was attending an impromptu civil rights march. You later find out she lied and was fucking the neighbor.

In July your wife comes home late and says she was kidnapped by aliens.

In the absence of PROOF, what is the MOST REASONABLE thing to assume?/quote]

You’re talking about the Republican Party now.
You can’t change topics without being clear… no one will be able to follow you.