Israel Plans to Restore Death Penalty for Everyone but Jews

[tzor]

They claim to not be a religion but if you read their works they profess it is. You just can't talk about any specific religious views or dogma. That's where the Grand Architect comes from.

Note that I am not a Mason. I'm actually a Knight of Columbus. Now the Knights of Columbus is a "Catholic" organization. But the Knights of Columbus is not a religion. One could argue that Freemasonry is rooted in Deism. Now Deism is generally considered a "religion" but it should also be pointed out that a lot of Deistic notions did manage to filter into a number or Protestant Christian denominations after the American Revolution in addition to the basic "religion" of the deists at that time, Unitarianism. But unlike the Knights of Columbus, whose members are all tied to a specific church and religion, the Masons are not.

Religious sentiment is a natural part of all Fraternal orders, from the Elks to the Moose. But they also can claim not to be "religions" in the strict sense of the word.

Supreme Being, Divine Watchmaker, Grand Architect of the Universe, and Nature's God are all Deist terms for God. It is important to note that Freemasonry was born and grew because of the Age of Enlightenment. The need to remove the established "church" required some other organization to fill the void and Freemasonry was the best new institution to do precisely that.

[saxitoxin]

PRO-ISRAEL SISTER-FUCKER STORY GETS EVEN BETTER!

The story of the prominent pro-Israel sister-fucker gets even better.

After learning Josh was fucking his sisters, dad Jim-Bob Duggar took him to his friend, Arkansas Trooper Jim Hutchens. Jim Hutchens did not arrest Josh, but gave him a "stern talk." But, it turns out ...

Hutchens is now serving 56-years in prison for child pornography.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/bomb ... year-58906

Jim-Bob then took him to a pro-Israel "Christian treatment center ..."

The founder of a chain of Christian “treatment” centers Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar sent their eldest son to for molesting five girls — including his sisters — resigned in 2014 under a cloud of accusations that he had “sexually groomed” and harassed young women and teens in his ministry.

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So prominent pro-Israel backer Jim-Bob Duggar, on finding his son was fucking his sisters, first took him for treatment to a child pornographer, then took him for treatment to a pedophile!

This seems to be the same issue tzor has - he just trusts anything anyone tells him and is unable to apply critical thinking or basic literacy skills to identify clear and obvious warning signs that are apparent to normally functioning adults, as he did with Walid Shoebat or the random white supremacist blogs he quotes. Things like Israel, Amway, the KKK, and 419 Scams seem to attract the dregs of society.

[saxitoxin]

poll added!

[mrswdk]

Name one legitimate reason to punish someone for having sex with one of their siblings.

Just for sex, there isn't. If the intent is to procreate, that's different.

-TG

Eugenics?

[riskllama]

if anything, this makes the US christian right look bad, israel...not so much.
you're really reaching on this one, saxi...

[saxitoxin]

Salon reports that sister fucking is protected by law in Israel.
http://www.salon.com/2010/12/13/swiss_incest/

Do all Israel supporters express their love for Israel by fucking their sister? Is this considered the ultimate act of loyalty?

[mrswdk]

It's legal in China as well.

That's just how things go when you don't live in a fascist state like America.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Name one legitimate reason to punish someone for having sex with one of their siblings.

Just for sex, there isn't. If the intent is to procreate, that's different.

-TG

Eugenics?

Maybe. I don't believe this particular kind is all that unreasonable, though. Full on sibling procreating has a drastically higher chance of reinforcing harmful genes.

Everyone has many, many "bad" genes through heritage and mutation, and the species relies heavily on sex with a large gene pool to cover or cancel those bad genes. Procreating with a sibling means you've got a very small pool to choose from, and bad genes are more likely to be doubly expressed or even continue on.

-TG

[mrswdk]

Name one legitimate reason to punish someone for having sex with one of their siblings.

Just for sex, there isn't. If the intent is to procreate, that's different.

-TG

Eugenics?

Maybe. I don't believe this particular kind is all that unreasonable, though. Full on sibling procreating has a drastically higher chance of reinforcing harmful genes.

Everyone has many, many "bad" genes through heritage and mutation, and the species relies heavily on sex with a large gene pool to cover or cancel those bad genes. Procreating with a sibling means you've got a very small pool to choose from, and bad genes are more likely to be doubly expressed or even continue on.

-TG

Should expecting parents who discover that their unborn child will be born disabled/retarded/whatever be forced to abort?

[saxitoxin]

A two year-old video has resurfaced about pro-Israel activist and newly admitted incest enthusiast Josh Duggar joking about dating his sisters.



Meanwhile, Hasbara from the pro-Israel lobby are working their paper shredders overtime to salvage their spokespeople ...

(1) An Arkansas judge with ties to pro-Israel politician Mike Huckabee, who has been pictured in photos with the Duggars, immediately ordered the destruction of all police records after the sister-fucking story broke last week.

(2) The Duggars have taken down their website and Twitter feed.

(3) Several prominent politicians who receive money from AIPAC have come out swinging in support of the sister-fucker Josh Duggar, including Mike Huckabee.

[saxitoxin]

The Family Research Council, an Israeli sleeper cell organization of which sister-fucker Josh Duggar was an executive, most recently released this as part of their anti-U.S./pro-Israel operations:

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins will travel to Israel August 17-22 as a part of the "Christians in Solidarity with Israel" trip, hosted by the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB). For a large number of Christians, there are two primary reasons to support Israel. We have the Jewish people to thank for our faith and we are instructed in Scripture not only to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, but are told that those who bless Israel will be blessed.



http://www.frc.org/content/tony-perkins ... srael-trip

This crazy train constitutes 98% of U.S.-based support for the pseudo-state of Israel. When you support Israel you are part of this meandering car wreck of sister-fucking luddites being duped by a low-level con game run out of the Israeli foreign ministry.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Name one legitimate reason to punish someone for having sex with one of their siblings.

Just for sex, there isn't. If the intent is to procreate, that's different.

-TG

Eugenics?

Maybe. I don't believe this particular kind is all that unreasonable, though. Full on sibling procreating has a drastically higher chance of reinforcing harmful genes.

Everyone has many, many "bad" genes through heritage and mutation, and the species relies heavily on sex with a large gene pool to cover or cancel those bad genes. Procreating with a sibling means you've got a very small pool to choose from, and bad genes are more likely to be doubly expressed or even continue on.

-TG

Should expecting parents who discover that their unborn child will be born disabled/retarded/whatever be forced to abort?

Maybe. Should people be prosecuted for not disclosing HIV/AIDS status to potential lovers upon infecting them? There's a certain level of responsibility you must take for detrimental effects which will cause harm to another person. I'll admit this is extremely fuzzy territory.

The difference here is that with incest you knowingly are engaging in an act which can likely harm a potential child, and that of normal reproduction which will always have some small chance. I think it's cruelty to subject a person to congenital defects because you think you deserve to have freedom.

Btw I'm a fervent supporter of aborting a fetus which would show developmental problems. I work in the field and see first hand what kind of difficulties there are. I know many, many family members would agree they would have aborted if they had known.

-TG

[mrswdk]

Should expecting parents who discover that their unborn child will be born disabled/retarded/whatever be forced to abort?

Maybe. Should people be prosecuted for not disclosing HIV/AIDS status to potential lovers upon infecting them? There's a certain level of responsibility you must take for detrimental effects which will cause harm to another person. I'll admit this is extremely fuzzy territory.

The difference here is that with incest you knowingly are engaging in an act which can likely harm a potential child, and that of normal reproduction which will always have some small chance. I think it's cruelty to subject a person to congenital defects because you think you deserve to have freedom.

Btw I'm a fervent supporter of aborting a fetus which would show developmental problems. I work in the field and see first hand what kind of difficulties there are. I know many, many family members would agree they would have aborted if they had known.

-TG

The HIV example isn't really a straight comparison. If you knowingly give someone HIV/AIDS then you are taking away from the quality/length of life that they would have had if you had never infected them. If you give birth to a child which has some sort of defect, then it is born with a condition which that particular child could never have avoided having.

Think of it as being like the difference between not having a car because your parents are poor and not having a car because your parents stole the one which you used to own.

In any case, your issue here isn't with incest but with parents who give birth to children with birth defects. First cousins, for example, are only marginally more likely to give birth to a child with birth defects than two unrelated parents. Immediate siblings run a much higher risk, but even then there are still plenty who would give birth to completely healthy children.

[waauw]

Should expecting parents who discover that their unborn child will be born disabled/retarded/whatever be forced to abort?

Maybe. Should people be prosecuted for not disclosing HIV/AIDS status to potential lovers upon infecting them? There's a certain level of responsibility you must take for detrimental effects which will cause harm to another person. I'll admit this is extremely fuzzy territory.

The difference here is that with incest you knowingly are engaging in an act which can likely harm a potential child, and that of normal reproduction which will always have some small chance. I think it's cruelty to subject a person to congenital defects because you think you deserve to have freedom.

Btw I'm a fervent supporter of aborting a fetus which would show developmental problems. I work in the field and see first hand what kind of difficulties there are. I know many, many family members would agree they would have aborted if they had known.

-TG

The HIV example isn't really a straight comparison. If you knowingly give someone HIV/AIDS then you are taking away from the quality/length of life that they would have had if you had never infected them. If you give birth to a child which has some sort of defect, then it is born with a condition which that particular child could never have avoided having.

Think of it as being like the difference between not having a car because your parents are poor and not having a car because your parents stole the one which you used to own.

In any case, your issue here isn't with incest but with parents who give birth to children with birth defects. First cousins, for example, are only marginally more likely to give birth to a child with birth defects than two unrelated parents. Immediate siblings run a much higher risk, but even then there are still plenty who would give birth to completely healthy children.

When concerning the birth of children, however small the additional disability rate, it is significant. I agree with TG.

[mrswdk]

In any case, your issue here isn't with incest but with parents who give birth to children with birth defects. First cousins, for example, are only marginally more likely to give birth to a child with birth defects than two unrelated parents. Immediate siblings run a much higher risk, but even then there are still plenty who would give birth to completely healthy children.

When concerning the birth of children, however small the additional disability rate, it is significant. I agree with TG.[/quote]

The difference is a 3% risk for non-incestuous couples versus 7% for first cousins.

So what are you proposing? A blanket ban on any incestuous couples having children, or tests for birth defects and then forced abortion if any are found? Would the unborn children of non-incestuous couples also be tested and exterminated if defects are found, or are they exempt?

What about people who develop conditions or disabilities after they are born? Should they be euthanized, or are they different?

[AndyDufresne]

Should they be euthanized, or are they different?

"Pawh, take 'em out back. This one's ain't proper right I reckon."


--Andy

[waauw]

When concerning the birth of children, however small the additional disability rate, it is significant. I agree with TG.

The difference is a 3% risk for non-incestuous couples versus 7% for first cousins.

So what are you proposing? A blanket ban on any incestuous couples having children, or tests for birth defects and then forced abortion if any are found? Would the unborn children of non-incestuous couples also be tested and exterminated if defects are found, or are they exempt?

What about people who develop conditions or disabilities after they are born? Should they be euthanized, or are they different?

Prevent incest. Forbid it by law all the way up to first cousins. Once a child is conceived anyway, it's up to the parents whether they commit abortion. Euthanasia only allowed with parental consent and if medically established that the child will suffer to extreme extent for his entire life due to his disabilities.
This is basically what the law in my country says and I for one support it.

[mrswdk]

You mean first cousins are or aren't allowed to have children in Belgium?

Either way, what an arbitrary system you have.

[waauw]

You mean first cousins are or aren't allowed to have children in Belgium?

Either way, what an arbitrary system you have.

Never mind. I thought it was forbidden. I assumed it so because it is against social standards. It's deeply frowned upon. But apparently, only marriage is forbidden between blood relatives all the way to first cousins. Sex is apparently allowed .
Apparently officially incest doesnt even extist in the law books in my country . It is forbidden to have sex under 16 and until the age of 18 it is forbidden to have sex with a person who has authority over them(whether sibling, parent, adoptive parent, teacher, etc. ). Once 18, all intercourse is allowed.

Like WTF! That's a big hole in legislation, of which I'm certain most of domestic society would agree upon, but has never been closed.

[mrswdk]

Why stop at banning incestuous sex? Given that gay sex carries a higher risk of transmitting HIV, shouldn't gay sex also be banned under your system?

In China incestuous sex and marriage are both legally permitted. I'm not sure about siblings/cousins having children, but my guess would be that is also permitted. Only in Taiwan province, which was rules by a deposed fascist military regime until the 1990s, are such interactions punished by the authorities.

[waauw]

Why stop at banning incestuous sex?

I'm asking myself that very same question.
Then again, the sole reason Belgium hasn't joined China's Asia investment bank, was because the politicians were too pre-occupied quibbling amongst themselves.
I suspect a similar reason.

[AndyDufresne]

Why stop at banning incestuous sex? Given that gay sex carries a higher risk of transmitting HIV, shouldn't gay sex also be banned under your system?

In China incestuous sex and marriage are both legally permitted. I'm not sure about siblings/cousins having children, but my guess would be that is also permitted. Only in Taiwan province, which was rules by a deposed fascist military regime until the 1990s, are such interactions punished by the authorities.

This is worth at least 55 cents.


--Andy

[saxitoxin]

Inside the Scary Pro-Israel Quiverfull Cult

Gawker has published a look inside the Quiverfull Cult, to which the sister-fucking Duggars - national TV personalities and Pro-Israel activists - belong. Jim-Bob Duggar, patriarch of the Duggars, has treated his wife like a farm animal, breeding 19 children out of her. Meanwhile, they score major face time with the standard bearers of the Zionist lobby in the U.S., including Sen. Santorum and Gov. Huckabee.

“Quiverfull” is very new. Newer than Scientology, in fact. Starting in the 1980s, its ideas have mostly spread through homeschooling and networking with other similarly minded Christians—which is why the cult-like movement has taken root as social media and internet access has exploded in the past three decades. That, and the fact that they’re literally multiplying, should make you at least a little bit afraid.

On the surface, Quiverfull follows your typical radical evangelical principles—every word of the Bible is taken literally, and the secular world is alternately scorned and feared. But followers of Quiverfull take one key tenet and let it shape the rest of their beliefs: Birth control is evil. They want to have as many children as possible, in order to build a fundamentalist Christian army for the End Times.

See, the “having a lot of kids” aspect of the Quiverfull movement is just the tip of the iceberg. Catholics, Mormons, and Jews also believe in having a lot of kids and not taking birth control. Duggars, along with the rest of the Quiverfull movement, turn having kids into a political statement. They want to out-reproduce Muslims, and see the quantity of children they put out into the world as a maternal mission statement.

http://gawker.com/quiverfull-of-shit-a- ... 1706557073

Here is one scary and frightening Pro-Israel screed by a Quiverfull cultist:

Yes, in my youth all my friends were thrilled with the knowledge of Israel becoming a nation—a living, thriving nation—and it was happening; we watched the cursed fig tree begin to put forth leaves. While the secular newsmen concerned themselves with The Civil Rights Movement, the murder of President John F. Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the Vietnam War, the lunar landing, the Woodstock Music Fest, drugs and other front-page news, we watched Israel, because the Word of God clearly focuses end-time events around Jerusalem and the Holy Land. We laughed at the pictures of the Arabs’ boots and weapons lying upon the ground beside their cumbersome weapons of war and the barefoot prints in the sand where they had run for home.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerqu ... ills-debi/

The Duggars are average, typical, and representative Israel supporters.

[mrswdk]

Why stop at banning incestuous sex? Given that gay sex carries a higher risk of transmitting HIV, shouldn't gay sex also be banned under your system?

In China incestuous sex and marriage are both legally permitted. I'm not sure about siblings/cousins having children, but my guess would be that is also permitted. Only in Taiwan province, which was rules by a deposed fascist military regime until the 1990s, are such interactions punished by the authorities.

This is worth at least 55 cents.


--Andy

The financial reward pales in comparison to the admiration and respect of OT regulars such as yourself.

[GabonX]

Are you sure you want to go down this road?

As opposed to a random supporter who may have have done something wrong, it looks like incest in Palestine is a major problem...

incest palestine

Palestine needs stronger laws against incest

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — The three Abrahamic religions as well as civil laws and regulations are in agreement against sexual acts among relatives, or incest. Such acts are considered a threat to communities, as they destabilize the core of all societies: the family.

Despite the criminal and social taboo aspects, which humanity is generally in agreement on, some people in Arab and Western societies, including Palestinian communities, continue to deviate from this proscription. Stories are emerging from the Gaza Strip of aberrant behavior that goes against everything that the religious Palestinian community stands for.

Samah is a 23-year-old woman from the northern Gaza Strip driven into prostitution after repeated sexual assault by her older brother.

Samah told Al-Monitor that her brother, a Tramadol addict, first tried to assault her when she was only 16. She then ran away from home and was put into protective custody by the police, until an “honorable” man married her. But her brother resurfaced, threatening to ruin her relationship with her husband if she did not steal for him, which she unfortunately did. This crime led to her arrest, imprisonment and subsequent divorce...

Summary: Palestinian law, both in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, fails to clearly prohibit incest and does nothing to protect female victims of sexual abuse within families.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... z3bDMzOCf7

At least some of these are sources you've praised and referenced in the past:

Violence against women rises in the occupied territories

RAMALLAH, 7 March 2007 (IRIN) - Three Palestinian women were shot dead in the northern Gaza Strip last month — rumours say it had to do with ‘honour’.

The corpses of the women — Ibtisam Mohammad Musallam Abu Qeinas, 31; Samira Tahani Debeiky, 45; and Amani Khamis Hosari, 40 - were found within a 24-hour period in Beit Lahiya and Gaza City, leaving residents shocked.

“People are saying it was an honour killing, that the women were of loose morals. They were not related to one another - but they were all killed in the same way. It’s really shocking,” said Mona Shawa, director of the women’s unit at the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights in Gaza.

So-called honour crimes are the murders of women who are thought to have brought shame on their families by, for example, having sex before marriage or even for having been the victim of rape or incest.

http://electronicintifada.net/content/v ... ories/6797

But anyhow, carry on.