Who take vaccine?

[saxitoxin]

I suppose that this bit of news was missed by some:

Recent increased hospitalization rates and the potential for severe disease reinforce the importance of continued COVID-19 prevention measures among adolescents, including vaccination and correct and consistent wearing of masks.

skip in the same report to:

Recent increases in COVID-19–associated hospitalization rates and the potential for severe disease requiring ICU admission, including invasive mechanical ventilation, among adolescents indicate an urgent need for vaccination in combination with correct and consistent mask wearing by persons not yet fully vaccinated or when required by laws, rules, or regulations. Highly effective COVID-19 vaccines are now available to adolescents as an additional evidence-based prevention measure (9); expansion of COVID-19 vaccination of adolescents, with particular attention to racial and ethnic minority groups disproportionately affected by severe COVID-19, is expected to reduce COVID-19–associated morbidity within this age group.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7023e1.htm?s_cid=mm7023e1_w

Saw it. Still no chance I'm getting an mRNA vaccine (at least until Phase 4 trials are complete in a couple years). Might eventually get the Johnson & Johnson one. With declining caseloads and increased efficacy and progress in research on therapeutics, there'd have to be a major negative shift for that to happen, however.

[jusplay4fun]

I suppose that this bit of news was missed by some:

Recent increased hospitalization rates and the potential for severe disease reinforce the importance of continued COVID-19 prevention measures among adolescents, including vaccination and correct and consistent wearing of masks.

skip in the same report to:

Recent increases in COVID-19–associated hospitalization rates and the potential for severe disease requiring ICU admission, including invasive mechanical ventilation, among adolescents indicate an urgent need for vaccination in combination with correct and consistent mask wearing by persons not yet fully vaccinated or when required by laws, rules, or regulations. Highly effective COVID-19 vaccines are now available to adolescents as an additional evidence-based prevention measure (9); expansion of COVID-19 vaccination of adolescents, with particular attention to racial and ethnic minority groups disproportionately affected by severe COVID-19, is expected to reduce COVID-19–associated morbidity within this age group.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7023e1.htm?s_cid=mm7023e1_w

Saw it. Still no chance I'm getting an mRNA vaccine (at least until Phase 4 trials are complete in a couple years). Might eventually get the Johnson & Johnson one. With declining caseloads and increased efficacy and progress in research on therapeutics, there'd have to be a major negative shift for that to happen, however.

So saxi, what is your specific concern about the mRNA vaccines? too new? not enough data? unsure of long term side effects? ALL the above??

And you would rather get J&J vs mRNA (i.e., Pfizer and Moderna) vaccine, after you railed about J&J causing the blood clots, which, by the way, was ONLY found in some 6-12 women in the USA and a few in Europe?? And he J&J was found to be 77% effective in clinical trials, vs. about 95% effective ("efficacious") for both mRNA vaccines.

And you may eventually get the J&J vaccine? I suppose you should be counted as part of the 13%.

I find your CBA questionable.

[saxitoxin]

So saxi, what is your specific concern about the mRNA vaccines? too new? not enough data? unsure of long term side effects? ALL the above??

YES.

Even then, though, if two of the following three conditions were met I would be willing to get an mRNA vaccine:

(a) I was at 1% or greater risk of mortality from COVID-19
(b) The mRNA vaccine was FDA licensed instead of under an EUA
(c) The vaccine's manufacturer could be sued in the event of error or previously undetected side effect

And you may eventually get the J&J vaccine?

If there is a sudden and negative shift in how the virus presents itself, yes. Not right now, though. Johnson & Johnson is a company that produced talcum powder that caused fatal cases of cancer. Talcum powder! And they got sued for $2 billion over that. If they can't produce something as simple as talcum powder safely while under the threat of a lawsuit, I'm not super eager to get a complicated drug like a vaccine when they have absolutely no monetary obligation or incentive to produce it safely.

[jusplay4fun]

So saxi, what is your specific concern about the mRNA vaccines? too new? not enough data? unsure of long term side effects? ALL the above??

YES.

Even then, though, if two of the following three conditions were met I would be willing to get an mRNA vaccine:

(a) I was at 1% or greater risk of mortality from COVID-19
(b) The mRNA vaccine was FDA licensed instead of under an EUA
(c) The vaccine's manufacturer could be sued in the event of error or previously undetected side effect

And you may eventually get the J&J vaccine?

If there is a sudden and negative shift in how the virus presents itself, yes. Not right now, though. Johnson & Johnson is a company that produced talcum powder that caused fatal cases of cancer. Talcum powder! And they got sued for $2 billion over that. If they can't produce something as simple as talcum powder safely while under the threat of a lawsuit, I'm not super eager to get a complicated drug like a vaccine when they have absolutely no monetary obligation or incentive to produce it safely.

As I already said, I think your CBA is faulty. Tell me, do you get the flu vaccine?

[saxitoxin]

So saxi, what is your specific concern about the mRNA vaccines? too new? not enough data? unsure of long term side effects? ALL the above??

YES.

Even then, though, if two of the following three conditions were met I would be willing to get an mRNA vaccine:

(a) I was at 1% or greater risk of mortality from COVID-19
(b) The mRNA vaccine was FDA licensed instead of under an EUA
(c) The vaccine's manufacturer could be sued in the event of error or previously undetected side effect

And you may eventually get the J&J vaccine?

If there is a sudden and negative shift in how the virus presents itself, yes. Not right now, though. Johnson & Johnson is a company that produced talcum powder that caused fatal cases of cancer. Talcum powder! And they got sued for $2 billion over that. If they can't produce something as simple as talcum powder safely while under the threat of a lawsuit, I'm not super eager to get a complicated drug like a vaccine when they have absolutely no monetary obligation or incentive to produce it safely.

As I already said, I think your CBA is faulty. Tell me, do you get the flu vaccine?

Nope.

I'm happy to get vaccinated with good cause. I've had the malaria vaccine, the typhoid vaccine, and half-a-dozen others. But I don't pursue medical interventions for no reason. I haven't had the flu in probably 7-8 years and, were I to actually get it, there's a 99.99% chance it would be nothing more than 2-4 days of mild inconvenience. When I'm 80 years old I probably will start getting the flu vaccine, though.

[jusplay4fun]

I am not surprised that you do not get the flu vaccine. I still question your CBA.

I have felt from the start that COVID is a really bad "flu like" disease; it does have major consequences for those with one or more of several underlying health issues. There are also some cases of "long haulers" who come down with a very virulent type that affects them for months and can have major life consequences. The seasonal flu does not have such long-term impacts and has not killed to this extent as COVID. To me, those are 2 good reasons to get the COVID vaccine. And since this is a NOVEL (i.e., NEW) virus, there may be some other impacts that we do not know about, although I will concede the odds of THAT are rather small, in all likelihood.

I had assumed that you will not get the vaccine, under MOST likely scenarios. And that, of course, is you prerogative. America is still a free country. As stated already, I still find your CBA lacking. I think that if you have gotten 1-2 cases of a bad flu that you would get the flu vaccine. Being exposed to lots of different people each work day also impacted my decision to get the flu vaccine.

It is my hope that we have seen the worst of COVID and that humans are developing an natural immune response, as happened over history. The vaccines hasten that immunity response; i.e., we get to herd immunity (or a good approximation of it) faster.

How COVID was handled, and the wisdom of shutting down the countries and the CBA of the impacts of the shut-downs in nearly all countries will be the subject of much debate and discussion for a while. At this point, there seems to be wisdom in the attempt to "Flatten the Curve" by the Trump Administration. I think, however that we were mislead on how long this flattening would take. I recall VP Pence talking about the 15 day plan to "Flatten the Curve."

Trump's 15-day plan to slow the coronavirus' spread is too short, experts say. Flattening the curve could take at least several more weeks.
Aria Bendix Mar 24, 2020, 7:26 AM

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-white-house-15-day-plan-too-short-2020-3

[saxitoxin]

SAX VAX

The NVX-CoV2373 vaccine from Novavax may debut in the United States this SEPTEMBER! Saxi is gonna be pushing old people outta the way to be first in line to get the shot!

T-Minus 90 days until SAX VAX!

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ne/619276/

The NVX-CoV2373 is a subunit vaccine based on proved, 200 year-old vaccine technology. It is not an experimental gene-based therapy.

NVX-CoV2373 is a two-dose treatment; the second is an adjuvant. In combination they offer 91% protection against all known variants of COVID-19. However, if the first shot gets up to 75% I may forgo the adjuvant. (The adjuvant in India's Covaxin vaccine may increase the chance of developing an autoimmune disease.)

Until September I'll continue taking Vitamin D3 supplements; Melatonin supplements; regularly washing my hands; avoiding large, indoor crowds; and keeping a 14 year-old boy from Paraguay chained to my front porch to receive and desanitize packages and deliveries.

[saxitoxin]

Reminder --- if you respond to my posts, please use my preferred pronouns.

WRONG: He is happy there's about to be a SAX VAX. Time for him to celebrate!
RIGHT: We are happy there's about to be a SAX VAX. Time for everyone to celebrate!

[saxitoxin]

Update on Biden Death Jabs:

- FDA adds additional warnings of lethal side effects to Moderna, Phizer death jabs. - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/fda-add ... cines.html

- Denmark extends national ban on J&J/Biden death jab. - https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-06-25/

Untrustworthy Biden fails to convince Americans 7 months after vaccines became available ...

Only 45 percent of U.S. residents have completed their vaccination schedule

Americans always knew something was wring. Yesterday, Johns Hopkins' Marty Makarey warns CDC is using bad data in determining low incidence of serious side effects ... reality is more grim ...

https://twitter.com/MartyMakary/status/ ... 39075?s=19

Meanwhile, WHO does an about face and urgently calls for vaccinations of under 18s to halt due to building evidence of serious complications ...

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/isra ... ssion=true

[2dimes]

I came out of CC retirement to report I took the first shot of Pfizer today because I'm not a giant pussy like ol' Saxi. Maybe in a couple of days I'll go look at some pictures of broads in swim suits to see if I can still get a boner. Unless I wake up early.

Got the second one today at the drive through clinic after going to Popeyes. Today's nurse was rougher and the chicken sandwich kind of dry for Popeyes. Oh well. I'll probably make it. My arm hurts.

[jusplay4fun]

I came out of CC retirement to report I took the first shot of Pfizer today because I'm not a giant pussy like ol' Saxi. Maybe in a couple of days I'll go look at some pictures of broads in swim suits to see if I can still get a boner. Unless I wake up early.

Got the second one today at the drive through clinic after going to Popeyes. Today's nurse was rougher and the chicken sandwich kind of dry for Popeyes. Oh well. I'll probably make it. My arm hurts.

The SECOND shot for most people will make them feel AWFUL starting 12-36 hours and may last 24-48 hours. THEN, you are good. AND In the USA, you can go maskless nearly everywhere. I do not know what is going on in Canada regarding masks and vaccination rates.

I think that saxi has 1) a fear of ED, exacerbated by the COVID vaccine; or 2) is very poor and not well educated and THUS fits the demographics of most of those who fear getting the vaccine; 3) BOTH. However, the most prevalent theory, IIRC ITT, I think we established that 4) saxi already suffers from ED and he never denied IT.

[jusplay4fun]

in the USA, as of today, July 3, 2021:

People fully vaccinated
155,884,601
% of population: 47.3%

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_WRL

NOTES:
1) an improvement over data mentioned by saxi;

2) no citation or reference given by saxi, which is typical of him.

Since his data is relatively close to what I have seen and that I have cited, there is no need to impugn his numbers or his source, at this time.

3) saxi continues to drag around and throw out red herrings, again typical of his tactics to confuse others and obfuscate the facts.

[2dimes]

Soon enough it will be time to argue wether or not you're going to get the H1N3 vaccine.

The SECOND shot for most people will make them feel AWFUL starting 12-36 hours and may last 24-48 hours. THEN, you are good. AND In the USA, you can go maskless nearly everywhere. I do not know what is going on in Canada regarding masks and vaccination rates.

I think that saxi has 1) a fear of ED, exacerbated by the COVID vaccine; or 2) is very poor and not well educated and THUS fits the demographics of most of those who fear getting the vaccine; 3) BOTH. However, the most prevalent theory, IIRC ITT, I think we established that 4) saxi already suffers from ED and he never denied IT.

I have weird sleep patters so I probably won't know if it's due to the shot or just because it's the morning or afternoon when I get tired anyway.

I kind of like being able to wear a mask into the bank. I do hope to be able to go to the US again soon, maybe France.

2) Saxi is only poor at being pleasant, many with too much money are.

2b) It was claimed in the past (and not by him) Saxi was over educated and may have a PH.D. I recon it's most likely in something such as, poli sci, phrenology, or an ancient language.

4) I don't think he "suffers" from it.

[KoolBak]

None of the 4 of us suffered any issues. Wife and boys got Pfizer, I got the other one....moderna?

Oregon just dumped mask rule, restaurant limits, etc. Seems weird now but went out and had a fucking monster burger at a new joint last nite. Refreshing.

I wish the fucking border would open. Got a hoser on the hook that's gonna buy a parts car I'm selling and he can't get here ...

And I like Saxi so I don't pick on him...he's like a fun crazy uncle

[2dimes]

Sending more beemers here? God help us.

Still just sore arms here. I know a guy who got the chills and missed a backyard party I attended but he’s probably just weak, almost like Saxitoxin.

I bet none of your uncles have been too frightened to get vaccine injected in their arms.

Your uncles are more likely to be the kind of men who would probably pinch everyone until we cry.

[jonesthecurl]

All of my family found the second jab less trouble than the first.

[mookiemcgee]

All of my family found the second jab less trouble than the first.

This was my experience as well

[jusplay4fun]

Soon enough it will be time to argue wether or not you're going to get the H1N3 vaccine.

The SECOND shot for most people will make them feel AWFUL starting 12-36 hours and may last 24-48 hours. THEN, you are good. AND In the USA, you can go maskless nearly everywhere. I do not know what is going on in Canada regarding masks and vaccination rates.

I think that saxi has 1) a fear of ED, exacerbated by the COVID vaccine; or 2) is very poor and not well educated and THUS fits the demographics of most of those who fear getting the vaccine; 3) BOTH. However, the most prevalent theory, IIRC ITT, I think we established that 4) saxi already suffers from ED and he never denied IT.

I have weird sleep patters so I probably won't know if it's due to the shot or just because it's the morning or afternoon when I get tired anyway.

I kind of like being able to wear a mask into the bank. I do hope to be able to go to the US again soon, maybe France.

2) Saxi is only poor at being pleasant, many with too much money are.

2b) It was claimed in the past (and not by him) Saxi was over educated and may have a PH.D. I recon it's most likely in something such as, poli sci, phrenology, or an ancient language.

4) I don't think he "suffers" from it.

2) saxi is unpleasant?? SAY IT AIN'T sooo; ... And he shows me NO sign of too much money,

2b) Also, saxi does not show me too much (or even much) intelligence, whether he has a Ph. D. or not. BUT wat due eye kno? I reckon eye will never kno.

4) I have no personal knowledge one way or another and have NO intention of trying to find out. I was merely quoting what IIRC ITT.

And I like NOT having to wear a mask to go to most places since I am FULLY vaccinated. I am LOUD and PROUD of that status, "privilege" and freedom...!

AND, lastly, for now, I am glad I went to Paris, France, in 2019.

[jonesthecurl]

What a bugger.
My daughter's just left university. After a short outing together at Lake Tahoe, she's off to do an internship in Costa Rica. Then she has planned an intricate schedule of travel ending up back in the UK where she has elected to stay. Basically this is gonna eat up the money left her by various grandparents. It's the trip of a lifetime, and I think the dear departed would approve.
Now a 4-day guided tour of the Balkans in the middle of the itinerary has been cancelled due to covid restrictions. This is gonna reqire some serious thought. It's after Greece and before Italy, and there's really no more money to add new stuff.

[2dimes]

Well, there was this denial on page one of this thread.

I haven't taken it, but I vaccine dosed Saxi's Ensure this morning maybe you can ask him how he's doing over the coming weeks.

I've been rock hard all day.

And I do recall it correctly.

Of course that was before he switched to bragging he was afraid to get vaccinated, for some reason, buying into fear mongering propaganda against the vaccines. Unless he's pretending.

I half suspect he may have got vaccinated in December and is just pulling everyone's leg.

[saxitoxin]

Soon enough it will be time to argue wether or not you're going to get the H1N3 vaccine.

The SECOND shot for most people will make them feel AWFUL starting 12-36 hours and may last 24-48 hours. THEN, you are good. AND In the USA, you can go maskless nearly everywhere. I do not know what is going on in Canada regarding masks and vaccination rates.

I think that saxi has 1) a fear of ED, exacerbated by the COVID vaccine; or 2) is very poor and not well educated and THUS fits the demographics of most of those who fear getting the vaccine; 3) BOTH. However, the most prevalent theory, IIRC ITT, I think we established that 4) saxi already suffers from ED and he never denied IT.

I have weird sleep patters so I probably won't know if it's due to the shot or just because it's the morning or afternoon when I get tired anyway.

I kind of like being able to wear a mask into the bank. I do hope to be able to go to the US again soon, maybe France.

2) Saxi is only poor at being pleasant, many with too much money are.

2b) It was claimed in the past (and not by him) Saxi was over educated and may have a PH.D. I recon it's most likely in something such as, poli sci, phrenology, or an ancient language.

4) I don't think he "suffers" from it.

2) saxi is unpleasant?? SAY IT AIN'T sooo; ... And he shows me NO sign of too much money,

2b) Also, saxi does not show me too much (or even much) intelligence, whether he has a Ph. D. or not. BUT wat due eye kno? I reckon eye will never kno.

4) I have no personal knowledge one way or another and have NO intention of trying to find out. I was merely quoting what IIRC ITT.

And I like NOT having to wear a mask to go to most places since I am FULLY vaccinated. I am LOUD and PROUD of that status, "privilege" and freedom...!

AND, lastly, for now, I am glad I went to Paris, France, in 2019.

I do NOT have a Ph.D. As for money, I bought a single serve can of Pringles this afternoon thinking it was Ranch and it was actually Salt and Vinegar I discovered after I drove one mile. And guess what? I just threw it away without a care in the world. Total boss move.

[2dimes]

See? There's no way I'd throw out those chips. I'd be scared my dad would back hand me onto my butt.

I suspect the guy is a Rothschild, Bildeburg or some other aristocrat.

[saxitoxin]

Well, there was this denial on page one of this thread.

I haven't taken it, but I vaccine dosed Saxi's Ensure this morning maybe you can ask him how he's doing over the coming weeks.

I've been rock hard all day.

And I do recall it correctly.

Of course that was before he switched to bragging he was afraid to get vaccinated, for some reason, buying into fear mongering propaganda against the vaccines. Unless he's pretending.

I half suspect he may have got vaccinated in December and is just pulling everyone's leg.

Not afraid to get the vaccine or to have penile enlargement surgery. But after evaluating the evidence, I've determined I don't need either.

[2dimes]

I hear you. The little ones get "rock hard".

[Dukasaur]

What a bugger.
My daughter's just left university. After a short outing together at Lake Tahoe, she's off to do an internship in Costa Rica. Then she has planned an intricate schedule of travel ending up back in the UK where she has elected to stay. Basically this is gonna eat up the money left her by various grandparents. It's the trip of a lifetime, and I think the dear departed would approve.
Now a 4-day guided tour of the Balkans in the middle of the itinerary has been cancelled due to covid restrictions. This is gonna reqire some serious thought. It's after Greece and before Italy, and there's really no more money to add new stuff.

If I'm reading this correctly, the trip is to take place after the internship?

If that's the case, assuming the internship soaks up a few months, that's plenty of time for the rules to change again. I know several people whose trips were originally cancelled for covid restrictions and are now back on again.