Israel Plans to Restore Death Penalty for Everyone but Jews

[GabonX]

A few highlights from the weekend of the global outrage sweeping the world over Israel's ethnic cleansing operation.

In Sydney, thousands of average Australian families marched through the streets demanding the downfall of Israel.

"Down, down, Israel!


Orhodox Jews in Montreal called an emergency protest to denounce "Israel" and wave Palestinian flags.

"Jews lived for centuries in Muslim countries in peace. This was changed in the 1920s when Zionism first came up and caused this conflict."


A pro-Palestine / anti-Israel motorcycle rally through central London!

"beep beep"

Putin: 'I support the struggle of Israel'

Warm meeting between delegation of rabbis, led by Sephardic Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef, and Russian leader.

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday met with a delegation of rabbis, led by Sephardic Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef, former Chief Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau, Chief Rabbi of Russia Berel Lazar, and rabbis of the Rabbinical Center of Europe (RCE).

"I follow closely what's going on in Israel," said Putin during the long meeting, which was held in Moscow.

"I support the struggle of Israel as it attempts to protect its citizens. I also heard about the shocking murder of the three youths. It is an act that cannot be allowed, and I ask you to transmit my condolences to the families," added the Russian president, in referring to the abduction and murder of three teens in June by Hamas terrorists.

"There cannot be a situation where people manipulate religion to slaughter innocents. ...I ask you in the name of the people of Israel: please, bring an end to the violence," added the rabbi.

Putin responded to Rabbi Yosef, asking him to tell Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu that he is a true friend of Israel and of Netanyahu. Netanyahu called Putin on Thursday, and in their conversation, Putin called for an end to the conflict in Gaza.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... 8SPAvldVqU

[saxitoxin]

The meme that Hamas / Hezbollah / Serbia / Iraq / Libya / Enemy of the Day places its forces in civilian areas is beyond hilarious. It is the constant accusation the west lumps onto Enemy of the Day without fail. I laugh every time I see it.

1 - The west does the exact same thing. During the London Olympics the UK placed SAM batteries next to apartment blocks as it offered the best line of site. Today, this very day, there is anti-aircraft weaponry on the roof of a garage next to the Crystal City Sheraton outside Washington, presumably because it provides coverage of the district. The Israeli village of Netu'a is just 2 km from the Biranit IDF base, well within the error of a Katyusha rocket.

2 - There is no place Hamas can place weapons systems in the Gaza Strip that is away from residential areas. There are nearly 2 million people crammed into an area smaller than Denver. Everything is next to a residential area.

[GabonX]

The meme that Hamas / Hezbollah / Serbia / Iraq / Libya / Enemy of the Day places its forces in civilian areas is beyond hilarious. It is the constant accusation the west lumps onto Enemy of the Day without fail. I laugh every time I see it.

1 - The west does the exact same thing. During the London Olympics the UK placed SAM batteries next to apartment blocks as it offered the best line of site. Today, this very day, there is anti-aircraft weaponry on the roof of a garage next to the Crystal City Sheraton outside Washington, presumably because it provides coverage of the district. The Israeli village of Netu'a is just 2 km from the Biranit IDF base, well within the error of a Katyusha rocket.

2 - There is no place Hamas can place weapons systems in the Gaza Strip that is away from residential areas. There are nearly 2 million people crammed into an area smaller than Denver. Everything is next to a residential area.

Possibly, but Hamas tells their people not to leave, presumably at threat of execution, when Israel warns them to.

[saxitoxin]

The meme that Hamas / Hezbollah / Serbia / Iraq / Libya / Enemy of the Day places its forces in civilian areas is beyond hilarious. It is the constant accusation the west lumps onto Enemy of the Day without fail. I laugh every time I see it.

1 - The west does the exact same thing. During the London Olympics the UK placed SAM batteries next to apartment blocks as it offered the best line of site. Today, this very day, there is anti-aircraft weaponry on the roof of a garage next to the Crystal City Sheraton outside Washington, presumably because it provides coverage of the district. The Israeli village of Netu'a is just 2 km from the Biranit IDF base, well within the error of a Katyusha rocket.

2 - There is no place Hamas can place weapons systems in the Gaza Strip that is away from residential areas. There are nearly 2 million people crammed into an area smaller than Denver. Everything is next to a residential area.

Possibly, but Hamas tells their people not to leave, presumably at threat of execution, when Israel warns them to.

This throw-away silliness was addressed one or two pages ago.

And I laauuuughhed at the "presumably at threat of execution" bit. Presumably whom Gabby thinks is running Hamas ...

[Metsfanmax]

The meme that Hamas / Hezbollah / Serbia / Iraq / Libya / Enemy of the Day places its forces in civilian areas is beyond hilarious. It is the constant accusation the west lumps onto Enemy of the Day without fail. I laugh every time I see it.

1 - The west does the exact same thing. During the London Olympics the UK placed SAM batteries next to apartment blocks as it offered the best line of site. Today, this very day, there is anti-aircraft weaponry on the roof of a garage next to the Crystal City Sheraton outside Washington, presumably because it provides coverage of the district. The Israeli village of Netu'a is just 2 km from the Biranit IDF base, well within the error of a Katyusha rocket.

2 - There is no place Hamas can place weapons systems in the Gaza Strip that is away from residential areas. There are nearly 2 million people crammed into an area smaller than Denver. Everything is next to a residential area.

Possibly, but Hamas tells their people not to leave, presumably at threat of execution, when Israel warns them to.

This throw-away silliness was addressed one or two pages ago.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/northern ... urope_home

Thousands of Palestinians fled their homes in northern Gaza for United Nations shelters after Israel warned them with leaflets and phone calls to evacuate ahead of an intensified offensive, the U.N. said.

Ignoring calls from the territory's Hamas rulers to stay, columns of cars, donkey carts and scooters loaded with luggage packed escape routes from the town of Beit Lahiya on Sunday. Residents said that after hearing a fierce gunbattle in the early morning between militants and Israeli commandos, they decided to take the Israeli warnings seriously.

The U.N.'s refugee agency, UNRWA, said about 17,000 Palestinians had reached shelters, and called on both sides to respect the "inviolability" of the centers. Not all those who fled went to shelters, however, with some joining families elsewhere.

Yes, those 17,000 Palestinians are much less safe in the UN shelters than in their homes in the areas that are about to be bombed.

[GabonX]

Hamas Spokesman Slips on Al-Aqsa TV: ‘We Are Leading Our People to Death’ (VIDEO)

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri made an embarrassing slip up while being interviewed by Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV on Sunday, with the clip picked up by the Israel Defense Forces Spokesman unit and re-broadcast on social media for the world to see.

The Hamas spokesman said: “This is something the people should hear, we aren’t leading our people today to destruction. We are leading our people to death,” he said, before correcting himself to say, “I mean to confrontation with the occupier.”

The video was posted to YouTube, where the Hamas Gaza account added another translation, apparently to correct the IDF’s version, noting that Hamas was leading Gazans ”‘to the death sorry to the confrontation,’ he said.”

His comments were made regarding ongoing Hamas rocket fire, and Israel’s Operation Protective Edge, aimed at halting it, which entered its seventh day on Monday.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/14/ha ... ath-video/

[saxitoxin]

People who were on the fence before are now outraged at the latest evidence of the depravity of the Israeli mind. Israelis gather with popcorn and lawn chairs to cheer and applaud as sub-human children (according to Israelis wild bible prophecy, they are God's chosen people and all others are mere cows and dogs on Earth for their amusement) are blown to bits by gravity bombs. They go wild with laughter and smiles as the detached heads of little children go rolling down the hill.

Social media has erupted after images of Israeli settlers sitting on a hillside cheering as the attack on Gaza unfolded were posted to Twitter

CLEAR skies. Comfy couches. Popcorn. What more could you want when cheering-on your team’s missiles as they slam into the enemy?
A tweet by a Danish newspaper has captured that exact moment — and ignited international outrage.

The image attached, and others published by news agency AP, show a group of 60 or more Israelis gathered on a hilltop above the Israeli town of Sderot watching the deadly air strikes on the besieged Gaza Strip below.

It has since been retweeted more than 10,000 times.

The Danish newspaper Kristeligt Dagblad, reported that the gathering involved more than 50 people who had transformed the hill into something “most closely resembling the front row of a reality war theatre”.

The audience, it said, were enjoying popcorn and smoking the distinctive Middle Eastern water pipes called hookahs.

Such a lack of empathy is what famous theoretical physicist Stephen Hawkins cited when he declared he would be boycotting a function hosted by the Israeli president in Jerusalem.



http://www.news.com.au/world/social-med ... 6987950678

Clearly, anyone with 2+ IQ points will agree there is no room on this planet for these barbarians.

WXYZ-TV reports on how the small pro-peace protest in Detroit quickly ballooned to several hundred people as Detroiters gathered to demand an end to the Israeli anomaly. Kudos to WXYZ for correctly referring, in the lede, to Palestine as "their homeland" (in reference to Palestinian people).

[GabonX]

The meme that Hamas / Hezbollah / Serbia / Iraq / Libya / Enemy of the Day places its forces in civilian areas is beyond hilarious. It is the constant accusation the west lumps onto Enemy of the Day without fail. I laugh every time I see it.

1 - The west does the exact same thing. During the London Olympics the UK placed SAM batteries next to apartment blocks as it offered the best line of site. Today, this very day, there is anti-aircraft weaponry on the roof of a garage next to the Crystal City Sheraton outside Washington, presumably because it provides coverage of the district. The Israeli village of Netu'a is just 2 km from the Biranit IDF base, well within the error of a Katyusha rocket.

2 - There is no place Hamas can place weapons systems in the Gaza Strip that is away from residential areas. There are nearly 2 million people crammed into an area smaller than Denver. Everything is next to a residential area.

Possibly, but Hamas tells their people not to leave, presumably at threat of execution, when Israel warns them to.

This throw-away silliness was addressed one or two pages ago.

And I laauuuughhed at the "presumably at threat of execution" bit. Presumably whom Gabby thinks is running Hamas ...

The problem Saxi, is that you never address anything. You tell lies, sling mud, and post one sided and often contradictory information so long as it portrays Israel in a negative light. You never address Israel's security concerns, efforts to make peace, or radical contribution to the world's scientific and technological development.

You apply the traditional European notions of antisemitism to "Zionists," but your definition of Zionism is so expansive that it includes upwards of 90%, probably closer to 99%, of the world's Jewish population.

Don't be surprised if no one takes you seriously when you act like this.

[saxitoxin]

You never address Israel's security concerns

True. I also don't care about the security concerns of a robber in the middle of a bank heist. But, if you want to, feel free to comment about where you think Israel should post the lookouts, how they should disarm the alarm system, how many hostages should be taken or whatever. It just doesn't interest me. *yawn*

[saxitoxin]

Yes, those 17,000 Palestinians are much less safe in the UN shelters than in their homes in the areas that are about to be bombed.

Are those the UN shelters that have supplies for 10% of the number of people Israel has warned are in the section of Gaza they're planning on leveling or are those different ones? Are those the UN shelters that Israel has refused to provide any guarantee they won't also bomb or are they different ones? Are those the UN shelters that are in above ground, crumbling school houses or are they the super-secret UN shelters in underground, blast-proof bunkers?

Just wanna make sure we're talking about the same shelters before I reply. So, are you talking about the "shelters" in Gaza or are you talking about the "shelters" in Imagination Land? (I sense you're talking about the latter.)

[Metsfanmax]

Yes, those 17,000 Palestinians are much less safe in the UN shelters than in their homes in the areas that are about to be bombed.

Are those the UN shelters that have supplies for 10% of the number of people Israel has warned are in the section of Gaza they're planning on leveling or are those different ones?

Look, I'm not saying Israel should be given a humanitarian medal here. But I'd take going hungry for a few days over potentially dying in a shooting war or bombing.

(That being said, based on NPR's reporting, it seems like the UN schools are significantly above 10% in terms of the actual demand versus supply.)

Are those the UN shelters that Israel has refused to provide any guarantee they won't also bomb or are they different ones? Are those the UN shelters that are in above ground, crumbling school houses or are they the super-secret UN shelters in underground, blast-proof bunkers?

If Hamas really suspects that Israel is likely to bomb the UN shelters that they just told the Palestinians to evacuate to, then that would be something. But I doubt that's at all part of their thought process.

[saxitoxin]

Yes, those 17,000 Palestinians are much less safe in the UN shelters than in their homes in the areas that are about to be bombed.

Are those the UN shelters that have supplies for 10% of the number of people Israel has warned are in the section of Gaza they're planning on leveling or are those different ones?

Look, I'm not saying Israel should be given a humanitarian medal here. But I'd take going hungry for a few days over potentially dying in a shooting war or bombing.

(That being said, based on NPR's reporting, it seems like the UN schools are significantly above 10% in terms of the actual demand versus supply.)

Are those the UN shelters that Israel has refused to provide any guarantee they won't also bomb or are they different ones? Are those the UN shelters that are in above ground, crumbling school houses or are they the super-secret UN shelters in underground, blast-proof bunkers?

If Hamas really suspects that Israel is likely to bomb the UN shelters that they just told the Palestinians to evacuate to, then that would be something. But I doubt that's at all part of their thought process.

Israel is garbage

[Metsfanmax]

Yes, those 17,000 Palestinians are much less safe in the UN shelters than in their homes in the areas that are about to be bombed.

Are those the UN shelters that have supplies for 10% of the number of people Israel has warned are in the section of Gaza they're planning on leveling or are those different ones?

Look, I'm not saying Israel should be given a humanitarian medal here. But I'd take going hungry for a few days over potentially dying in a shooting war or bombing.

(That being said, based on NPR's reporting, it seems like the UN schools are significantly above 10% in terms of the actual demand versus supply.)

Are those the UN shelters that Israel has refused to provide any guarantee they won't also bomb or are they different ones? Are those the UN shelters that are in above ground, crumbling school houses or are they the super-secret UN shelters in underground, blast-proof bunkers?

If Hamas really suspects that Israel is likely to bomb the UN shelters that they just told the Palestinians to evacuate to, then that would be something. But I doubt that's at all part of their thought process.

Israel is garbage

Ok. Are there any state actors that you do respect, btw?

[AndyDufresne]

Yes, those 17,000 Palestinians are much less safe in the UN shelters than in their homes in the areas that are about to be bombed.

Are those the UN shelters that have supplies for 10% of the number of people Israel has warned are in the section of Gaza they're planning on leveling or are those different ones?

Look, I'm not saying Israel should be given a humanitarian medal here. But I'd take going hungry for a few days over potentially dying in a shooting war or bombing.

(That being said, based on NPR's reporting, it seems like the UN schools are significantly above 10% in terms of the actual demand versus supply.)

Are those the UN shelters that Israel has refused to provide any guarantee they won't also bomb or are they different ones? Are those the UN shelters that are in above ground, crumbling school houses or are they the super-secret UN shelters in underground, blast-proof bunkers?

If Hamas really suspects that Israel is likely to bomb the UN shelters that they just told the Palestinians to evacuate to, then that would be something. But I doubt that's at all part of their thought process.

Israel is garbage

Ok. Are there any state actors that you do respect, btw?

He respects Gaddafian Libya.


--Andy

[patches70]

You guys wanna rip on Saxi, and I get it. From the politically correct view he's an easy target. But Saxi has brought up relevant points that seem to just be ignored. It always goes back to "Israel is defending herself" line.

What is Israel defending herself from? The Gaza strip? Seriously? They are firing off homemade rockets they carry around in shopping carts. In response to Israel bombing the ever loving shit out of them no less!

And what about the response Israel uses? This latest bombing started on July 7 and in the first week Israel dropped 400 tons in just the first two days!
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/ ... bs-on-gaza

Sheesh.

And what attack did Gaza mount on Israel to warrant this excessive force? The murder of the three teenage Israeli's? It's well known by now that Israel blamed Hamas for those murders.
But the actual facts of the matter are something different that most of you who are defending Israel's actions in this latest attack probably don't know about.
The fact is no one knows who killed those three teenagers. Israel hasn't produced one shred of evidence that it was Hamas or even a Palestinian(s) who murdered those three. In fact, what evidence there is points to something else different. The three teenagers made a call to police when they encountered their attackers. I bet a lot of you don't know that, do you? In that audio the attackers and presumed murders of the three teens can be heard speaking. In Hebrew.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Brothers ... sed-361169

This recording was not released by the Israeli government, it was leaked. The Israeli government had a gag order on the audio in an attempt to not let that little bit of information out, that the presumed killers could very well have been other Israelis.


But, this latest attack isn't about Israel defending herself, or getting revenge for the murder of those three teens. Those make great cover stories, but it isn't the truth.

Such fights are because of either resources, land, power or the combination of the three. In the case of the Gaza strip, there is just offshore one of the largest natgas fields in the region. Estimated to hold over 1 trillion cubic feet of natgas in fact.
http://www.bg-group.com/260/where-we-wo ... uthority-/

This resource technically belongs to the Palestinian people and the Gaza strip.
But it is British Gas who holds the joint exploration contract with Israel. Israel has admitted in the past that it believes it should be in control of that resource. Since 2007 that is the aim of all the Israeli attacks on Gaza, to smash and disrupt Hamas so that Hamas and the Palestinian Authority can't exploit that gas field.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... rgy-crisis


This gas field was discovered back in 2000. Russia bid on contract to explore and extract that gas, with the Palestinian Authority. Russia was prepared to invest $2 billion to get it done. But if we cast our memory back, it was at that point that Israel the second infatada broke out and the Palestinian Authority was forbidden to have any dealings with Hamas. Gaza got bombed to shit, etc etc.

Now, three months ago Netanyahu had granted approval to develop the field. Previously this field has been sitting neglected because Israel was getting their natgas from Egypt instead of from the Palestinian Authority and Israel won't allow the exploitation of the field. That changed though, with the recent events in Egypt and the natgas delivery from Egypt is sporadic at best. Israel facing it's own energy crisis needs that natgas from the Gaza field but they want to cut the Palestinians out of that deal completely.

Now how would you all react if Israel said "we are bombing Gaza to gain control of the extensive natgas fields" instead of the normal "we have to defend ourselves" line? Not many I'd think. But this latest attack on Gaza isn't in response to those murdered teens, isn't a response because Hamas attacked Israel, it's about energy resources to avert an energy crisis in Israel.

Does that change the equation? Does that still make you all want to support what Israel is doing right now?


There is a lot more to discuss, even more to the story, but I'll give you suckers a chance to digest this information first. I'll patiently take the "you anti-semite" rhetoric you'll probably throw at me, but all I'm interested in is the truth. No matter how ugly it may be.

I'm no fan of Hamas, I don't care much about the plight of the Palestinian people, but this line about supporting Israel no matter what manner of inhumane response she does to Gaza just isn't right. There's nothing I can do about it, except at least present the whole story so people can at the very least make more informed opinions. What Israel is doing right now is really fucked up, and how people can just sit back and cheer lead them on is beyond me. There are a lot of people dying in Gaza and what are they dying for?
To be cut out of what rightfully belongs to the Palestinian people. It's not like they have much as it stands, why does Israel have to cut them out of the natgas profits that can benefit the poor bastards stuck in Gaza?

Can anyone answer that?

Britain and US companies got their dirty hands all over this mess. I got so much more for you all, but it's going to shatter your preprogrammed notions that's been implanted into your brains by decades of propaganda. Hopefully you all "Israel is right!" crowd won't pop a blood vessel in your brains when you learn what's being kept from you all.

[GabonX]

Israel accepts Egypt ceasefire plan to end Gaza fighting

Israel has accepted an Egyptian proposal to end the week-long conflict in Gaza, suggesting that an end to the violence, which has killed more than 180 Palestinians, could be in sight.

But, in a sign of the animosity between the Cairo regime and Hamas, the Islamic movement in Gaza rejected the plan, saying it had not been consulted and terms for an end to the conflict had not been reached.

The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, warned that Israel would step up its offensive in Gaza if Hamas rejected the Egyptian proposal. "If Hamas rejects the Egyptian proposal and the rocket fire from Gaza does not cease, and that appears to be the case, we are prepared to continue and intensify our operation," he said.

Israel said 24 rockets had been fired from Gaza since 9am local time, when Egypt called for "de-escalation".
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... gaza-hamas

Yes, those 17,000 Palestinians are much less safe in the UN shelters than in their homes in the areas that are about to be bombed.

Are those the UN shelters that have supplies for 10% of the number of people Israel has warned are in the section of Gaza they're planning on leveling or are those different ones?

Look, I'm not saying Israel should be given a humanitarian medal here. But I'd take going hungry for a few days over potentially dying in a shooting war or bombing.

(That being said, based on NPR's reporting, it seems like the UN schools are significantly above 10% in terms of the actual demand versus supply.)

Are those the UN shelters that Israel has refused to provide any guarantee they won't also bomb or are they different ones? Are those the UN shelters that are in above ground, crumbling school houses or are they the super-secret UN shelters in underground, blast-proof bunkers?

If Hamas really suspects that Israel is likely to bomb the UN shelters that they just told the Palestinians to evacuate to, then that would be something. But I doubt that's at all part of their thought process.

Israel is garbage

Ok. Are there any state actors that you do respect, btw?

He respects Gaddafian Libya.


--Andy

And Syria, Iran, and North Korea...

[patches70]

Interesting to note, timing. Before June 2, 2014, the Gaza strip was ruled by two different governments. One being Hamas, the other being the Fatah. The Fatah and Hamas had the legislative split back in 2006 when Hamas had their electoral victory. As a result of the split, Hamas controlled Gaza while the Palestinian National Authority (Fatah) controlled the West Bank.

On June 2, 2014 that split ended when Fatah and Hamas formed a unity government, which Israel promptly condemned. The EU, US, UN, China and India all recognized and agreed to work with this new unity government. After such a long time the Palestinian people are finally represented by a single government.

And then just a month later, Israel starts bombing the shit out of Gaza.

That's some nice timing there, especially since there was no attack from Gaza on Israel before this latest bombardment. Hamas sure as hell fired back with their homemade rockets though. And who can blame them for that?


The last thing Israel wants to see is Palestinians having a single functioning government. Such as it is I guess. The timing of this latest Israel attack is pretty suspect though. There is no justification for it that I can see. No legal or moral justification at least.


So, is this latest attack by Israel on Gaza in response to the murdered teens?
Or did Hamas attack Israel first to prompt the bombing?

Considering that immediately as the three teens were taken and subsequently found murdered, Israel started ramping up the rhetoric against Gaza and Hamas, insuring that a military response was going to come.

I would like to ask, just for argument lets say that Hamas did indeed kidnap and murder those three teens (though there isn't a single shred of evidence that is the case). Is it an appropriate response to drop 100's of tons of bombs and kill hundreds of innocent civilians in Gaza who had absolutely nothing to do with the death of those three teens?

It's not an appropriate response, BTW, and Israel isn't bombing Gaza because of those three murdered teens, but those teens make for a cover story though. Only a psychopath would think killing 100's of innocent civilians is an appropriate response to the murdered teens.


I'd like to be able to take Israel's side in this latest round of punitive bombings, but so far everything I've found out about this latest attack is sickening. I don't even want to go into the past attacks for fear of what I may learn. It would be wise for people to take a minute and put on their critical thinking caps, not take sides, just try to understand the motivations of the parties involved, without judgment before forming an opinion, IMO.

With that said, Saxi's calls for the "ending of the Israel experiment" peacefully is LOL funny. It ain't gonna happen. Not peacefully at least. Not if we just keep taking Israel's side on every atrocity they commit.

It's not like the Palestinians are snow white angels either, but so far everything is pointing to Israel as the aggressor in this latest campaign. And it's pretty crazy that so many don't see this at this moment. That Israel is justified in this latest round of massive air strikes on Gaza. They aren't.

[saxitoxin]

You guys wanna rip on Saxi, and I get it. From the politically correct view he's an easy target. But Saxi has brought up relevant points that seem to just be ignored. It always goes back to "Israel is defending herself" line.

What is Israel defending herself from? The Gaza strip? Seriously? They are firing off homemade rockets they carry around in shopping carts. In response to Israel bombing the ever loving shit out of them no less!

And what about the response Israel uses? This latest bombing started on July 7 and in the first week Israel dropped 400 tons in just the first two days!
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/ ... bs-on-gaza

Sheesh.

And what attack did Gaza mount on Israel to warrant this excessive force? The murder of the three teenage Israeli's? It's well known by now that Israel blamed Hamas for those murders.
But the actual facts of the matter are something different that most of you who are defending Israel's actions in this latest attack probably don't know about.
The fact is no one knows who killed those three teenagers. Israel hasn't produced one shred of evidence that it was Hamas or even a Palestinian(s) who murdered those three. In fact, what evidence there is points to something else different. The three teenagers made a call to police when they encountered their attackers. I bet a lot of you don't know that, do you? In that audio the attackers and presumed murders of the three teens can be heard speaking. In Hebrew.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Brothers ... sed-361169

This recording was not released by the Israeli government, it was leaked. The Israeli government had a gag order on the audio in an attempt to not let that little bit of information out, that the presumed killers could very well have been other Israelis.


But, this latest attack isn't about Israel defending herself, or getting revenge for the murder of those three teens. Those make great cover stories, but it isn't the truth.

Such fights are because of either resources, land, power or the combination of the three. In the case of the Gaza strip, there is just offshore one of the largest natgas fields in the region. Estimated to hold over 1 trillion cubic feet of natgas in fact.
http://www.bg-group.com/260/where-we-wo ... uthority-/

This resource technically belongs to the Palestinian people and the Gaza strip.
But it is British Gas who holds the joint exploration contract with Israel. Israel has admitted in the past that it believes it should be in control of that resource. Since 2007 that is the aim of all the Israeli attacks on Gaza, to smash and disrupt Hamas so that Hamas and the Palestinian Authority can't exploit that gas field.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... rgy-crisis


This gas field was discovered back in 2000. Russia bid on contract to explore and extract that gas, with the Palestinian Authority. Russia was prepared to invest $2 billion to get it done. But if we cast our memory back, it was at that point that Israel the second infatada broke out and the Palestinian Authority was forbidden to have any dealings with Hamas. Gaza got bombed to shit, etc etc.

Now, three months ago Netanyahu had granted approval to develop the field. Previously this field has been sitting neglected because Israel was getting their natgas from Egypt instead of from the Palestinian Authority and Israel won't allow the exploitation of the field. That changed though, with the recent events in Egypt and the natgas delivery from Egypt is sporadic at best. Israel facing it's own energy crisis needs that natgas from the Gaza field but they want to cut the Palestinians out of that deal completely.

Now how would you all react if Israel said "we are bombing Gaza to gain control of the extensive natgas fields" instead of the normal "we have to defend ourselves" line? Not many I'd think. But this latest attack on Gaza isn't in response to those murdered teens, isn't a response because Hamas attacked Israel, it's about energy resources to avert an energy crisis in Israel.

Does that change the equation? Does that still make you all want to support what Israel is doing right now?


There is a lot more to discuss, even more to the story, but I'll give you suckers a chance to digest this information first. I'll patiently take the "you anti-semite" rhetoric you'll probably throw at me, but all I'm interested in is the truth. No matter how ugly it may be.

I'm no fan of Hamas, I don't care much about the plight of the Palestinian people, but this line about supporting Israel no matter what manner of inhumane response she does to Gaza just isn't right. There's nothing I can do about it, except at least present the whole story so people can at the very least make more informed opinions. What Israel is doing right now is really fucked up, and how people can just sit back and cheer lead them on is beyond me. There are a lot of people dying in Gaza and what are they dying for?
To be cut out of what rightfully belongs to the Palestinian people. It's not like they have much as it stands, why does Israel have to cut them out of the natgas profits that can benefit the poor bastards stuck in Gaza?

Can anyone answer that?

Britain and US companies got their dirty hands all over this mess. I got so much more for you all, but it's going to shatter your preprogrammed notions that's been implanted into your brains by decades of propaganda. Hopefully you all "Israel is right!" crowd won't pop a blood vessel in your brains when you learn what's being kept from you all.

Yup. The kidnappers were speaking Hebrew.

This was most likely a drug deal gone bad. Israel will let anyone into the country if they have the required racial purity, so they can fulfill their bible prophecy. The end result of this policy has been a huge influx of gangs and drug dealers from Russia, one reason Putin has been tacitly supportive of Israel, it's a useful dumping ground.

So a couple Israeli teenagers were trying to score meth, the deal went sideways and they got themselves shot, and Benny-like any good politician-has seized on the opportunity to go aftet Hamas' WMDs-er, I mean kidnappers. Meanwhile, 200 little Arab children have had their skin melted off their bodies by Israeli incendiary rounds so that Benny can pick up a couple more seats in the upcoming Knesset election. And 200 Americans will probably join them as soon as their brothers are old enough to seek out revenge on the country who gave Israel the bombs. The existence of Israel is not compatible with world peace.

[Metsfanmax]

The last thing Israel wants to see is Palestinians having a single functioning government. Such as it is I guess. The timing of this latest Israel attack is pretty suspect though. There is no justification for it that I can see. No legal or moral justification at least.

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It's not like the Palestinians are snow white angels either, but so far everything is pointing to Israel as the aggressor in this latest campaign. And it's pretty crazy that so many don't see this at this moment. That Israel is justified in this latest round of massive air strikes on Gaza. They aren't.

The history of this conflict is so long and complicated that asking for a "justification" for either side's action seems like a fool's errand. Rockets have been fired from the Gaza strip into Israel for over a decade -- Israel will use that as all the justification it needs for an offensive to dismantle the rocket-firing capabilities.

[saxitoxin]

Air raids have been launched from Israel into Gaza for over a decade -- Hamas will use that as all the justification it needs for an offensive to take out the IDF capabilities.

Edited to correct for historical revisionism.

[GabonX]

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You have an ear for conspiracy my man.

Israel accepted the Egyptian ceasefire while Hamas rejected it. Hamas only had to stop shooting rockets at Israel to end this conflict but they refused, and yet you claim Israel is the aggressor...

The argument that this conflict secretly revolves around an Israeli offensive to hoard natural gas doesn't make sense. At least three nations (Cyprus, Israel, and Lebanon) lay claim to the gas fields you're talking about, so to say that it rightfully belongs to Gaza alone seems premature. Eventually some kind of arrangement will come to fruition, but if Israel wanted to start a war to claim gas fields they'd have no reason to attack Hamas as Hamas doesn't have access to the gas and more powerful parties say it's theirs.

The assailants speaking Hebrew is not the smoking gun you think it is. Many Israelis speak Arabic and a lot of Palestinians speak Hebrew, particularly ones who have been through the Israeli prison system. You can theorize on the implications of this if you like but it doesn't amount to anything. Maybe these guys acted for Hamas and maybe they didn't but frankly it doesn't matter. The bottom line is that while the current round of violence may have been prompted by the abduction of Israeli teenagers, that has little to do with the rocket offensive that Hamas is carrying out against Israel now. It has to stop.

It's not like the Palestinians are snow white angels either, but so far everything is pointing to Israel as the aggressor in this latest campaign. And it's pretty crazy that so many don't see this at this moment. That Israel is justified in this latest round of massive air strikes on Gaza. They aren't.

That's an easy position to take when you don't have someone shooting rockets at you and your family. Israel offered a ceasefire which Hamas rejected. To end this conflict all Hamas had to do was stop firing rockets at Israeli civilians this morning, but they continued firing.

It shouldn't surprise you when Israel responds.

[GabonX]

Yup. The kidnappers were speaking Hebrew.

This was most likely a drug deal gone bad. Israel will let anyone into the country if they have the required racial purity, so they can fulfill their bible prophecy. The end result of this policy has been a huge influx of gangs and drug dealers from Russia, one reason Putin has been tacitly supportive of Israel, it's a useful dumping ground.

So a couple Israeli teenagers were trying to score meth, the deal went sideways and they got themselves shot, and Benny-like any good politician-has seized on the opportunity to go aftet Hamas' WMDs-er, I mean kidnappers. Meanwhile, 200 little Arab children have had their skin melted off their bodies by Israeli incendiary rounds so that Benny can pick up a couple more seats in the upcoming Knesset election. And 200 Americans will probably join them as soon as their brothers are old enough to seek out revenge on the country who gave Israel the bombs. The existence of Israel is not compatible with world peace.

And this kind of ridiculousness is why no one takes you seriously.

[saxitoxin]

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You have an ear for conspiracy my man.

Israel accepted the Egyptian ceasefire while Hamas rejected it. Hamas only had to stop shooting rockets at Israel to end this conflict but they refused, and yet you claim Israel is the aggressor...

The argument that this conflict secretly revolves around an Israeli offensive to hoard natural gas doesn't make sense. At least three nations (Cyprus, Israel, and Lebanon) lay claim to the gas fields you're talking about, so to say that it rightfully belongs to Gaza alone seems premature. Eventually some kind of arrangement will come to fruition, but if Israel wanted to start a war to claim gas fields they'd have no reason to attack Hamas as Hamas doesn't have access to the gas and more powerful parties say it's theirs.

The assailants speaking Hebrew is not the smoking gun you think it is. Many Israelis speak Arabic and a lot of Palestinians speak Hebrew, particularly ones who have been through the Israeli prison system. You can theorize on the implications of this if you like but it doesn't amount to anything. Maybe these guys acted for Hamas and maybe they didn't but frankly it doesn't matter. The bottom line is that while the current round of violence may have been prompted by the abduction of Israeli teenagers, that has little to do with the rocket offensive that Hamas is carrying out against Israel now. It has to stop.

It's not like the Palestinians are snow white angels either, but so far everything is pointing to Israel as the aggressor in this latest campaign. And it's pretty crazy that so many don't see this at this moment. That Israel is justified in this latest round of massive air strikes on Gaza. They aren't.

That's an easy position to take when you don't have someone shooting rockets at you and your family. Israel offered a ceasefire which Hamas rejected. To end this conflict all Hamas had to do was stop firing rockets at Israeli civilians this morning, but they continued firing.

It shouldn't surprise you when Israel responds.

Did you hear that on Pat Robertson's The 700 Club?

I particularly liked the part at the end where your picture says it's all a global media conspiracy to make Israel look bad.

A riot, but try to work in UFOs and anti-Semetic Bigfoot in you next one.Keep 'em coming!

[GabonX]

Enjoy Saxi...