Israel Plans to Restore Death Penalty for Everyone but Jews

[Phatscotty]

I, like saxi, will always take the side of the opressed.

The oppresed might not be like you, they probably aren't blondish, won't look pro and with more sophiaticated weaponry, might use tactics that you disagree with, but they are the oppressed.

The tactics used to defend then might not be the best, but if you had someone pressing a knife on your throat youll be justified for kicking his balls.

Stop the intelectual bullshit, the speeches and reveal your true colors. This shit needs to be stopped. This world we live in will put a person on jail for having pot on him but will leave Bush living in a mansion and 30 servants when he deatroyed a country for a lie.

I have no intellectual arguments, and I will side with those defending the opressed even if they nuke cc.

When you kill a man, you're a murderer
Kill many, and you're a conqueror
Kill em all, you're a God

[Funkyterrance]

World War Z

[saxitoxin]

I wouldn't be so confident. According to Poe's law, we have to entertain the serious possibility that saxitoxin is a Zionist and plays an anti-Semitic Israel hater to expose the absurdity of that position.

LOLWUT - you just had someone show up quoting scripture to support your position. And I'm absurd? I gotta hand it to you, you're a real survivor if you can make a career out of physics while serving as president of the Flat Earth Society.

In any case, more than 90% of CC posters, as per the poll, believe Israel is committing war crimes. According to Condorcet's Jury Theorem, it has been mathematically proven that Israel is wrong.

[saxitoxin]

Iceland has introduced legislation to impose a boycott on Israel. (Earlier, Britain's largest trade union, UNITE!, announced a general boycott of all Israeli made products and embargo on any interaction with Israelis or Israeli organizations.)

MOST EXCITING, Chile - which is three times larger than Israel - has joined Arab nations and terminated trade relations with Israel and is further considering breaking diplomatic ties in a move to expand the isolation of the Zionist Entity. Arab-Chilean politicians are pressing the government for more aggressive action against Israel, also, such as leading a move for creation of a South America-wide anti-Israel bloc. (In 2012, all South American nations voted to admit Palestine to the UN, except Colombia and Paraguay which abstained.)

Chile is home to the largest Arab community outside of the Middle East and Chile's wealthiest man, Dr. Álvaro Saieh, is from a family that was forced to flee Palestine after the Israeli anschluss. Israel'schickens are coming home to roost!
¡VIVA CHILE!

[GabonX]

In any case, more than 90% of CC posters, as per the poll, believe Israel is committing war crimes. According to Condorcet's Jury Theorem, it has been mathematically proven that Israel is wrong.

Even this is a distortion. Ignoring the ridiculous wording in the poll options which would render any objective analysis of the poll meaningless, Saxitoxin reversed the poll options after voting began.

My vote is now frozen as "Generally opposed" to Israel, even though I initially voted for the opposite, though less tersley worded, position.

[BigBallinStalin]

In any case, more than 90% of CC posters, as per the poll, believe Israel is committing war crimes. According to Condorcet's Jury Theorem, it has been mathematically proven that Israel is wrong.

Even this is a distortion. Ignoring the ridiculous wording in the poll options which would render any objective analysis of the poll meaningless, Saxitoxin reversed the poll options after voting began.

My vote is now frozen as "Generally opposed" to Israel, even though I initially voted for the opposite, though less tersley worded, position.

Sure, that's what they all say.

[saxitoxin]

Israel and its supporters hate freedom, it has been revealed. With Israel backed into a corner by world opinion, it is now desperately and savagely lunging - claws and fangs bared - not just at Palestinians but at all people of the world trying to exercise liberty and freedom.

France's Socialist government provoked outrage today by becoming the first in the world to ban protests against Israeli action in Palestine.

In what is viewed as an outrageous attack on democracy, Socialist Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said mass demonstrations planned for the weekend should be halted.

Mr Cazeneuve said there was a ‘threat to public order’, while opponents said he was ‘criminalising’ popular support of the Palestinian people.

Anyone who turns up to an illegal demonstration now faces up to a year in prison, and a 15,000 euro fine.

Tens of thousands were set to march against the ongoing slaughter in Gaza, calling for an immediate end to hostilities in which civilians including many children have been killed.

There were false claims made last week that synagogues in Paris had been targeted by pro-Palestinian demonstrators.

In fact videos showed armed vigilantes from a group called the Jewish Defence League (LDJ) baiting demonstrators into fights.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z37qEzH2xL

Israel gleefully subverts democracy and manipulates the internal affairs of independent nations to further its bloody agenda. Did Israel threaten to detonate suitcase nukes in Paris if their government did not do as they were told and suspend the Declaration of Rights? Possibly. Would they make the same threat against the U.S.? Most certainly.

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.” - Martin Van Creveld
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/s ... okextracts

[GabonX]

Anti-Israel protesters trap hundreds in Paris synagogue

Group allowed to leave after being attacked by demonstrators as rally in support of Gaza turns violent

A protester wearing a kaffiyeh and wrapped in a Palestinian flag raises his fist on July 13, 2014 in Paris, during a demonstration against Israel and in support of residents in the Gaza Strip. (photo credit: AFP/KENZO TRIBOUILLARD)

Clashes erupted in Paris on Sunday as thousands of people protested against Israel and in support of residents in the Gaza Strip, where a six-day conflict has left 166 Palestinians dead.

Several thousand demonstrators walked calmly through the streets of Paris behind a large banner that read “Total Support for the Struggle of the Palestinian People”.

But clashes erupted at the end of the march on Bastille Square, with people throwing projectiles onto a cordon of police who responded with tear gas. The unrest was continuing early Sunday evening.

Media reports said that hundreds of Jews were trapped inside a synagogue in the area and police units were sent to rescue them.

A person in the synagogue told Israel’s Channel 2 news that protesters hurled stones and bricks at the building, “like it was an intifada.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/clashes-in ... offensive/

Not only does Saxitoxin oppose efforts to stop Hamas from launching rockets at Israeli civilian centers, a terrorist act with no purpose other than to cause as much fear and destruction as possible, but he's also against efforts to stop race riots against Jews in Europe. Could it be that he thinks "Zionists" must be cleansed from Europe as well?

By hook or by crook, the territory of Israel must be sanitized of Zionism.

You be the judge. Remember though, he always gives you the whole story and he's definately not an anti semite...

[saxitoxin]

Two versions of events: Saxi's source says the supposed attacks at synagogues were later revealed to be attempts by a militant Zionist group to provoke demonstrators. Gabby's source says "Anti-Israel protesters trap hundreds in Paris synagogue."

Saxi's source: a British newspaper founded in 1896 with a circulation of 1.7 million

Gabby's source: "The Times of Israel" - an Israeli newspaper founded last year whose editor is a former terrorist in the IDF and whose owner is the billionaire head of "The Israel Project," an organization that even other pro-Israeli sources describe as an extremist "media advocacy group" that routinely engages in "fearmongering"

Intelligent people can judge which version of events is probably most accurate. Intelligent people will then naturally wonder why Gabby feels his position is so indefensible he needs to parrot lies from the Ministry of Propaganda.

Gabby, do you support Israel's threats to nuke places like Rome and Minneapolis if it's backed into a corner and Europe and the U.S. refuse to help?

[GabonX]

Saxi's source:

The Daily Mail is a British daily middle-market tabloid newspaper owned by the Daily Mail and General Trust.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail




I forgot that in conversations with Saxitoxin every source of Jewish affiliation is considered untrustworthy and is to be disregarded on sight.

If you like you can Google your own articles about how pro Palestine supporters used the recent spat of violence to instigate harassment of Jews in France, supported by Saxitoxin, where they trapped hundreds of people in a Jewish temple while hurling rocks and screaming obscenities until police used tear gas to disperse the aggressors.

Remember though, it's the Jews fault for whatever reason Saxitoxin comes up with next...

[saxitoxin]

As the world continues to ignore the weakening and futile, silly cries of "Anti-Semitism!" and thumping of Bibles by the increasingly irrelevant Amen! chorus, the consensus of global opposition to the Israeli terror machine continues to mount on all sides, left and right.

- In an editorial in today's New York Times, it is observed that “the current escalation in Gaza is a direct result of the choice by Israel and the West to obstruct the implementation of the April 2014 Palestinian reconciliation agreement.”

- The Guardian notes that "The idea that Israel is defending itself from unprovoked attacks is absurd. Occupied people have the right to resist."

- American Conservative Magazine opines that "The American political class is so corrupted and indebted to pro-Israel money that it is impossible for the United States to play any kind of effective mediating role. That’s true for Republicans and Democrats alike. The congresswoman who represents the American teen who was beaten to pulp by the Israeli police refused to even release a statement about it—that’s the kind of obedience “pro-Israel” money can buy on Capitol Hill."

- The Sydney Morning Herald writes that "Israel will eventually become so isolated because of its brutalisation of the Palestinian people that it will be held to account under international law."

- MondoWeiss' Max Blumenthal, a Jewish-American and son of former Clinton senior advisor Sydney Blumenthal, denounces the pro-Israel Zionist Barack Obama for "humiliating" guests at the White House Iftar by inviting the racist Israeli ambassador. (It's like inviting a 400-pound pedophile rapist to your daughter's Sweet 16 party.)

All rational, peace-loving people agree that Israel must be brought to its knees by hook or by crook.

[GabonX]

Thread derail, 100% successful.

I don't think the thread was derailed, this was Saxi's plan the whole time. He lies, writes murder porn, and ignores any information he finds inconvenient whenever he goes on his weird political tirades in favor of Iran, Syria, North Korea etc. or when he speaks against Israel.

If you look at the opening of the thread its clear this was his plan the whole time.

I don't think this image you posted is accurate or truthful.

It is an accurate depiction of the situation, as is the image showing the process where Hama's fires rockets giving Israelis moments to get to a bomb shelter with the end result being Israeli strikes on Gaza, and that being the primary focus of the media Saxitoxin shows you.


Saxitoxin can't show you the whole truth about situations like this and reasonably defend his position, so he tells a series of lies and half truths, proving frame 6 of the image above accurate.

[BigBallinStalin]

So... will GabonX respond with less biased news sources?

Oh, nope! Looks like he'll keep posting that tired old picture and hurl some more insults against saxi. Such tactics are counter-productive, but it would make people like PS and Lionz proud. Lionz would insist on asking more questions though.

[GabonX]

So... will GabonX respond with less biased news sources?

Oh, nope! Looks like he'll keep posting that tired old picture and hurl some more insults against saxi. Such tactics are counter-productive, but it would make people like PS and Lionz proud. Lionz would insist on asking more questions though.

Give it a rest. I'm writing from an android phone and copying large sections of text is possible but exceedingly difficult. You're a smart enough guy that you can look things up yourself if you want to.

I'm curious why your comment is directed solely aat me when everything you said is just as applicable towards Saxitoxin in this situation...

[GabonX]

For the record I keep posting that tired old picture, all of a few days old, because it powerfully shows the position of the average Israeli as opposed to Saxitoxin's anti Semitic rants about how they're all psychopathic cult members.

[BigBallinStalin]

Sure, sax is extreme, but he still posts significantly more legitimate sources than you do. Have you not read his last post? Are you suggesting that you've been doing a better job than he? It doesn't look like it, and I don't even agree with saxitoxin.


Good job:

For the record I keep posting that tired old picture, all of a few days old, because it powerfully shows the position of the average Israeli as opposed to Saxitoxin's anti Semitic rants about how they're all psychopathic cult members.

Let's think critically for a second. Where has saxitoxin said that the average/all Israelis are "psychopathic cult members"?

Also, why do you keep playing that tired old "anti-semite!" card? That tactic is a logical fallacy; people use it so that they don't have to address another person's valid concerns. Seriously, people can be critical of the Israeli government and not be anti-Semites. Calm down and think.

[jak111]

I started to read it and I lost interest with the generalizing topic name and how you word it.

"Israel" like it's a thing that you can control and includes everyone in it. That's like saying the United States of America should be brought to its knees. That immediately triggers a self defense part of Americans that think you mean everyone in America and not just the government. (Which by the way, American government is so damn corrupt I'm surprised it is still standing, same with Canadian and many other governments).

[patches70]

By your own words Gabonx, you admit that the killing of the three teens probably led to this current violence. But there is absolutely zero evidence that Hamas or any Palestinians did the deed. None. Zero. Zilch.

Gaza launched no rockets at Israel in this time, even though Israel was certainly posturing and belligerent and pretty much saying that they were going to attack Gaza soon because of this, in order to "defend themselves" against Gaza even though Israel has no evidence of anyone from Gaza doing any such thing.

Tell me Gabonx, is it sane to drop hundreds of tons of military ordinance on Gaza in response to said murders?
To kill hundreds of women and children to strike back for the three slain teens?


Maybe Israel has been justified in the past, I don't know. But in this current episode, what's happening now, is beyond defending. Israel is completely heavy handed in their actions in this case.

And once Israel started bombing without being provoked in the slightest in this case, you are damn right Hamas is going to fire back with whatever piddly weapons they have available. Which isn't much at all I should add.


But the same old tired lines keep on working, Israel isn't defending herself, she is the aggressor in this instance. There is no way that can be denied unless someone just doesn't want to be objective. Hell, maybe the Palestinians deserved some of the treatment they got in the past, but we are talking about now, today.
And this shit Israel is doing is just bad mojo all around. And I don't even give a shit about the Palestinians, normally! But in this instance, they don't deserve this one bit.

I don't know how you can't see that.

<shrugs> Oh well, I guess that's why Israel can get away with this I suppose. But it's a crime of epic proportions. Hell, if I were the leader of Gaza I'd turn down an Israeli cease fire as well. My goodness, a simple them stop bombing isn't good enough. Israel has to compensate the Palestinians for every soul killed, every hovel bombed, every dime destroyed plus punitive damages as well for Israel acting unlawfully.

This is some unlawful, unethical and immoral behavior by Israel in this case. And for what? Because three teens are murdered by no one knows who? I don't know about you Gabonx, but I don't base justification on the mass killing of hundreds of people on such flimsy evidence and sweep it all under the moral rug just because Hamas is a bunch of assholes. Assholes they may be, but just because isn't a reason to do this to all those people who are living meager lives (and that's putting it nicely!)


That's why your cries of "antisemitism" is so absurd. People have legitimate reasons to be against Israel's actions in this instance and crying such labels can only be interpreted as deflection. That you can't see that or admit it shows a lot about your own thought process. IMO.


Hell, it it's ok to bomb people just because a people's leaders are A-holes, then we in the US ain't got no room to bitch when we get hit because our leaders are some of the biggest assholes on the planet.
What's right and what's wrong shouldn't be clouded by blind obedience or blind affinity to one party over another. We are talking about human beings getting blown to smithereens. It's worse than a teenager beating the crap out of a toddler.

Any clear thinking human being should be asking "WTF are you doing, Israel?"

[saxitoxin]

For the record I keep posting that tired old picture, all of a few days old, because it powerfully shows the position of the average Israeli

Wow, you are one sick dude. Hundreds of Gazans are dead, thousands are injured, and you're up-in-arms that the "average Israeli" occasionally has their lunch interrupted? That's just so gross.

And let's not get into a battle of whose pictures are more "powerful." I guarantee the Palestinian side will win that one every time.

[saxitoxin]

GabonX, two questions:

1- If the Bible scripture you believe justifies Israel's universally and internationally condemned war crimes said you could (a) sacrifice Israel to bring eternal peace to the U.S., or, (b) sacrifice Ohio to bring eternal peace to Israel, which would you choose?

2- Today's Google Doodle is Nelson Mandela. Do you think Nelson Mandela was an Anti-Semite for saying:

Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children. Israel’s racial discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is a Jewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which non-Jews cannot do. Palestinian Arabs have no place in a “Jewish” state.

I ask if you think Nelson Mandela was Anti-Semitic because I think it's important to establish a baseline for how big of an extremist nutter you are.

[universalchiro]

Bottom line is this thread start off about militant groups fighting in Iraq and Saxi was all hot & bothered about it. Then he has given up supporting Iraq's struggle to defend against this band of small but zealous fighter, and turned his attention after 10 pages of this thread for Iraq to now con-Israel for defending herself against this small band of zealous fighters. That is not honest, best to start new thread instead of bait and switch. Dissappointing.

Look, Israel is a sovereign nation surrounded by enemies on their door step. If people don't attack Israel, then they will be at peace with them, if people attack Israel then you're going to get the crap kicked out of you. Israel has better weapons and higher skilled soldiers and superior leadership than neighboring countries. We have a saying in Texas, don't mess with Texas, well the same goes for Israel, don't mess with Israel. We have another saying in Texas: <voice of President Bush>" you fool me once then shame on you, if you fool me twice, then uh, uh, you're not gonna fool me again, you see.".

All this clatter doesn't matter, Israel will not lose. (Full disclosure: yes I'm a Bible thumping gentile)
Cannot defeat God & God has turned His face towards the Jews.

[patches70]

Look, Israel is a sovereign nation surrounded by enemies on their door step. If people don't attack Israel, then they will be at peace with them, if people attack Israel then you're going to get the crap kicked out of you. Israel has better weapons and higher skilled soldiers and superior leadership than neighboring countries.

Israel is running under the policy of collective punishment. Three Israeli teenagers are kidnapped and murdered and Israel's response is to rampage through the West Bank and then drop hundreds of tons of explosives on Gaza. Israel is punishing anyone and everyone they can get their hands on whether or not those being killed, maimed or made homeless by indiscriminate bombing had anything to do with the kidnapping or murder.

This is not a sane response.

You say Israel is surrounded by enemies, you would be as well if you conducted yourself in this manner. In this case, Israel is absolutely the aggressor who is bombing people who didn't do anything at all to harm Israel or Israeli citizens.

Suppose some Mexican nationals kidnapping three Americans off the streets of El Paso and then murder said three Americans.
Would you be ok with the US carpet bombing Mexico City in response?
Would that be a sane response?

If one holds an entire people hostage for the actions of a couple of individuals, that's collective punishment. A barbaric relic of the past that is still used by the elite few in modern times by totalitarian government and rage induced mobs. A relic held by the likes of Stalin, the Old British Empire, General Sherman's March to the Sea during the US civil war, the Intolerable Acts in response to the Boston Tea Party in Massachusetts in 1774 to name a few (and we see now how that last one on the list turned out for the British).

In modern times this same barbaric policy is carried out by the North Koreans, the Anti Sikh riots in India in 1984 where the mass graves still are being discovered, Pakistan 2008 who went ahead and destroyed the entire town of Spinkai, South Africa during and after Apartheid and Israel in regards to the Palestinian people.

This same barbaric policy in which we accuse and condemn Syria for allegedly carrying out, we turn a blind eye to Israel.


I don't know about you, but I am not the type to hold the son accountable for the father's crimes. Now I can't speak for God, but I'm pretty sure that God looks out for everyone, be they Israeli or not. Maybe you read a different Bible than I do but I'm pretty sure that God loves us all equally.
And what does the Bible tell us about fighting evil with evil?

What Israel is doing right now is wrong, unwise and will not improve her security. There will be blowback eventually, but we'll all conveniently forget about our own actions and attitudes when that blowback strikes and we'll all keep that circle of violence going into perpetuity.

[saxitoxin]

Cannot defeat God & God has turned His face towards the Jews.

Great! Keep 'em coming!

Suppose some Mexican nationals kidnapping three Americans off the streets of El Paso and then murder said three Americans.
Would you be ok with the US carpet bombing Mexico City in response?
Would that be a sane response?

QFT

In fact, a Dutch national - Joran Van Der Sloot - kidnapped and murdered Natalie Holloway in 2010. The Dutch failed to arrest or put Sloot on trial. And yet, America did not unleash a volley of cruise missiles into downtown Amsterdam, even though it had the technical capability to do just that. Nor was there an ultra-loud lobby of English surnamed people screaming at Congress for justice for their "sister" Natalie Holloway who had been murdered by the dirty Dutch. This is kinda the difference between a modern, post-tribal government (as [sometimes] exists in the western hemisphere, Japan, etc.), and a marauding band of illiterate, loincloth wearing, ooga-booga chanting, savages who think the great sky spirit favors their tribe (e.g. Israel).

The consensus is that this operation was done by Netanyahu simply to shore-up support among ultra-nationalists in his floundering parliamentary coalition.* Three hundred Palestinians have been killed so Benjamin Netanyahu can stop Isaac Herzog from getting his job. A quite mundane reason that makes this slaughter even more undigestably horrific. Even mafia dons don't go to this extreme. GabonX - if Mets were trying to get your job at Uncle Elizabeth's Rub 'n Tug, would you kill 300 people just to keep it?

[Ray Rider]

Sorry I haven't been able to keep up with the conversation here--I'm sitting in the Ataturk Airport in Istanbul, Turkey right now waiting for a flight to Cairo. Yesterday I was in Tel Aviv as rockets were fired at the city from Gaza. Some people ran for shelters, others ignored it as the rockets were intercepted by the Iron Dome. The day before we drove down to Mitzpe Ramon, passing within 20 miles of Gaza. We could see the gunships circling amidst clouds of billowing sand. I haven't had access to a computer but I'll try to post some pictures when I get a chance.

Being in the middle of things, I can't say I've had time to do much research on the current situation, however from a quick glance at the incessant, indiscriminate rocket attacks from Gaza on Israeli civilian areas which has continued all through 2014, I see no difficulty in justifying a strong offensive against Hamas.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... rael,_2014

In addition, I have zero respect for an organization which condones human shields, fires on the power plant which supplies its own people with electricity, and whose leader ignores the plight of his own people by rejecting a truce while he remains in safety over 1000 miles away.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/17 ... rmanently/

[PLAYER57832]

Sorry I haven't been able to keep up with the conversation here--I'm sitting in the Ataturk Airport in Istanbul, Turkey right now waiting for a flight to Cairo. Yesterday I was in Tel Aviv as rockets were fired at the city from Gaza. Some people ran for shelters, others ignored it as the rockets were intercepted by the Iron Dome. The day before we drove down to Mitzpe Ramon, passing within 20 miles of Gaza. We could see the gunships circling amidst clouds of billowing sand. I haven't had access to a computer but I'll try to post some pictures when I get a chance.

Being in the middle of things, I can't say I've had time to do much research on the current situation, however from a quick glance at the incessant, indiscriminate rocket attacks from Gaza on Israeli civilian areas which has continued all through 2014, I see no difficulty in justifying a strong offensive against Hamas.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... rael,_2014

In addition, I have zero respect for an organization which condones human shields, fires on the power plant which supplies its own people with electricity, and whose leader ignores the plight of his own people by rejecting a truce while he remains in safety over 1000 miles away.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/17 ... rmanently/

Except in the last "defense" Israel killed over 10000, including many children, but lost only 13.

Over a hundred have already been killed in this "defense", but Israel has, so far not lost any.

This is not war, it is not defense.. defense means you are attacking those who are a threat. Kids are not a threat.

The actions of Hammas, etc are criminal. But, you need to ask yourself why it is that so many Palestiniens still support Hammas, even though they don't really agree with its goals. The answer? Israel has given them no choice.

Israel OCCUPIED and CONTROLLED Palestinien lands for decades, flat out stole lands belonging for thousands of years to Palestinien families, using the Bible as their justification. If GOD truly intended them to have those lands, a way would have been provided without stealing.

Palestiniens, fully in Israeli control watched as millions of foreigners were brought in and they themselves were relegated to squallor. Israelis like to claim that the Palestiniens could have built up their own lands, but ignore that Israel severely limiting much commerce. Also, many Arabs had nearly nomaic lifestyles (a fact often used against their claims of ownership). Why should they abandon a lifestyle that WORKED for millenia, just to make the desert look European.

That's not even getting into the environmental issues with Israel destroying the desert.