DirtyDishSoap wrote:A negative nancy one might say.
Excuse me, but I'm identifying as a Karen today athankyouverymuch
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DirtyDishSoap wrote:A negative nancy one might say.
Dukasaur wrote: That was the night I broke into St. Mike's Cathedral and shat on the Archibishop's desk
mookiemcgee wrote:saxitoxin wrote:
Since you can't provide safety of this - or any - mRNA vaccine at the 24 month post injection mark, I think we can safely assume you acknowledge no such data exists?
Correct Saxi, there is no 2 year data on a drug only given for less than 1 year
Just asking if you'd be willing to volunteer some numbers.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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saxitoxin wrote:In the UK, regulatory authorities are recommending no vaccinations to 12 to 15 year olds. In the US they are.
Simple propositional logic (Science) says one of these two are wrong.
If they're wrong about this, what else?
The FDA vouched for the safety of Johnson & Johnson talcum powder for 30 years. Last year J&J was ordered to pay $2 billion in damages because their talcum powder gave people cancer for 30 years
It is not enough to have a good mind; the main thing is to use it well. Rene Descartes
The senses deceive from time to time, and it is prudent never to trust wholly those who have deceived us even once. Rene Descartes
saxitoxin wrote:Bombshell report in the Times.
Scientists (people with MDs and PhDs in medicine and virology) are advising against booster shots. The President (who has a Red Cross lifeguard certificate) is recommending for boosters.
Rats, who refuse to drink water because it's also used by horses to hydrate, are once again rejecting Science in favor of obedience to their Dear Leader. So weird!
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/us/c ... d=tw-share
And since the White House announced the booster plan in mid-August, they said, new hurdles appeared.
Among the reasons for delaying is that regulators need more time to decide the proper dosage for a possible third Moderna shot. The company’s application asking the F.D.A. to authorize a booster shot contains insufficient data, one federal official familiar with the process said. Other data expected from Johnson & Johnson has not been delivered.
Nor has the raw data that the F.D.A. has been seeking from Israel, which is already giving boosters to everyone 12 and older. Israeli officials say their data shows that the potency of Pfizer’s vaccine wanes over time against severe disease and hospitalization, but that a third shot significantly bolsters protection. The F.D.A. wants to see the underlying data, to make sure it backs up summaries that the Israeli government has provided.
saxitoxin wrote:mookiemcgee wrote:saxitoxin wrote:
Since you can't provide safety of this - or any - mRNA vaccine at the 24 month post injection mark, I think we can safely assume you acknowledge no such data exists?
Correct Saxi, there is no 2 year data on a drug only given for less than 1 year
Thank you.Just asking if you'd be willing to volunteer some numbers.
Two year safety statistics don't exist on a drug only given for less than one year.
Science continues to learn and to adapt and to change, as evidence demands of us. The Science here does NOT have ALL the answers when it comes to COVID or the Vaccines
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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saxitoxin wrote:Science continues to learn and to adapt and to change, as evidence demands of us. The Science here does NOT have ALL the answers when it comes to COVID or the Vaccines
Correct.
jusplay4fun wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Science continues to learn and to adapt and to change, as evidence demands of us. The Science here does NOT have ALL the answers when it comes to COVID or the Vaccines
Correct.
BUT, ...you cannot even IMAGINE the COVID vaccine to be safe, because those in favor of the vaccine, according to you, MUST provide at least two years of data on a disease that has not for even two years.
That is quite the task and quite a bar that you demand to be achieved, Suxi. In the meantime, people get COVID, get sick, some are hospitalized, and a few DIE. GREAT Logic, suxi. And while you demand that, why not wait until you are paid $1 million when you get the vaccine? That is so logical of you, suxi.
Dukasaur wrote: That was the night I broke into St. Mike's Cathedral and shat on the Archibishop's desk
jusplay4fun wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Science continues to learn and to adapt and to change, as evidence demands of us. The Science here does NOT have ALL the answers when it comes to COVID or the Vaccines
Correct.
BUT, ...you cannot even IMAGINE the COVID vaccine to be safe, because those in favor of the vaccine, according to you, MUST provide at least two years of data on a disease that has not for even two years.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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mookiemcgee wrote:
Technically we don't really know if COVID-19 is dangerous because we don't have 2 years of study on it.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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saxitoxin wrote:By the way, I have a tentative trip to Panama scheduled in October to get the Covaxin vaccine (if WHO gives it an EUA by then which should happen barring issues). It's probably as useful as a saline injection and I don't think I need it but I can unencumber myself from the false narrative that I'm anti vaxx and was planning a holiday in October anyway.
I have no problem with a vaccine made using a 200 year old method. I have a problem with a quickie vaccine made using a brand new, never before used method that was rushed out to make it into a Q4 earnings report by companies with long documented histories of being sued for deadly medicinal screw ups.
saxitoxin wrote:jusplay4fun wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Science continues to learn and to adapt and to change, as evidence demands of us. The Science here does NOT have ALL the answers when it comes to COVID or the Vaccines
Correct.
BUT, ...you cannot even IMAGINE the COVID vaccine to be safe, because those in favor of the vaccine, according to you, MUST provide at least two years of data on a disease that has not for even two years.
Incorrect. I've said I personally won't take a vaccine, created using a method that has never before been used in human history, with less than three years of safety data since we have numerous past instances of medicinal side effects occurring at 12-24-36 months post injection. I've also said that I'm 99% sure the mRNA vaccines are safe but that, according to Science, I have a less than 1% chance of death or hospitalization. So, grade school maths dictates there's no reason for me to rush to get vaxed. I can afford to be the tortoise.
But, you're right, it's a Catch-22. We'll never get three years of safety data if everyone is smart and rational and can do basic arithmetic. We need dullards who are willing to jump headfirst into the fire because an 80 year old man with a lifeguarding certificate told them to. The crème de la crème of humanity needs cannon fodder to ensure its survival. You have my appreciation.
saxitoxin wrote:By the way, I have a tentative trip to Panama scheduled in October to get the Covaxin vaccine (if WHO gives it an EUA by then which should happen barring issues). It's probably as useful as a saline injection and I don't think I need it but I can unencumber myself from the false narrative that I'm anti vaxx and was planning a holiday in October anyway.
I have no problem with a vaccine made using a 200 year old method. I have a problem with a quickie vaccine made using a brand new, never before used method that was rushed out to make it into a Q4 earnings report by companies with long documented histories of being sued for deadly medicinal screw ups.
saxitoxin wrote:By the way, I have a tentative trip to Panama scheduled in October to get the Covaxin vaccine (if WHO gives it an EUA by then which should happen barring issues). It's probably as useful as a saline injection and I don't think I need it but I can unencumber myself from the false narrative that I'm anti vaxx and was planning a holiday in October anyway.
I have no problem with a vaccine made using a 200 year old method. I have a problem with a quickie vaccine made using a brand new, never before used method
You have been anti-vax
and only recently started coming around.
Your earliest attacks were on the J&J, which uses an almost archaic deactivated virus vector.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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The U.S. is heading into Labor Day weekend with just over four times as many Covid-19 cases and more than twice as many hospitalizations as at this time last year ... The U.S. and the world are nowhere near where health officials hoped, and thought, we would be 20 months into the pandemic — and more than eight months after vaccines that boasted efficacy rates around 95% were rolled out.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/03/us-head ... -year.html
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HitRed wrote:Vitamin D3 and loose 20 lbs.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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saxitoxin wrote:
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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