Football (real)

[benga]

I can read Spanish fine, lived in Peru for 2 years.

There was a claim that someone had hacked into fifa's website and that the draw had already been conducted with Germany and Holland in the same group and Brazil and England in the same group... put the best teams together to make the group stage more interesting. Obviously if that was true they couldn't use the draw which was leaked so had to create a new one... this one.

Last year the exact same draw came out for the Champions League last 16 than what came out in the practice draw, i can't remember the odds for that to happen but it was pretty f*cking high.

I have no doubt that the draw was fixed, as well as the seedings... look at Italy, runners up at Euro 2012 and 3rd at the confederations cup not ranked in the top 7 but Belgium who have not qualified for a major finals in ages and Colombia the same, both have good sides but both Italy and Holland have had better results than them and deserved to be seeded.

Then look at the draw, both Belgium and Colombia have the most boring draws... only big unseeded side not to have a glamor draw is France. France who never have a hard group and who have cheated their way to the last two world cups... ok an offside goal isn't cheating but it wasn't a goal. clearly. Henry handball, a blind rabbit stay that from the top stand.

Rankings are based on performance so they are correct, seeding was done wrong.

And yeah they are always giving easy groups and easy way to finals to France.

As far as Croatia goes, really not sure, I can't ever be sure about any of croatian teams,
they surprise in a good and bad way all the time

[betiko]

ok, no doubt now, trevor is high on crack all day, not sure it's worth bothering...
Just so you know pal, you have no fucking clue of what you're talking about. Saying that france qualifying for this world cup is a fraud shows how much you like to talk without having a fucking clue.
Benzema had just scored a perfectly legal goal and it was declared offside. A minute or 2 later benzema scores again..in offside. So yeah, the goal that counted was offside, but it's perfectly fair as there was no reason to invalidate the goal that had just been scored. Either way, against ukraine and against ireland had they not counted these goals FRANCE WAS NEVER OUT. they would've been still in a tied situation against both rivals. And have you never seen a fucking handball in your life that wasn't whistled? Jesus f*ck, get over that shit. That was an unfair goal (unlike the one vs ukraine) but as if refs never f*ck up and as if there always has to be a huge conspiration behind each thing. What, the irish would've won the world cup or something? Henry has been very cheeky (and he's never been like that throughout his career) and the ref didn't see it. that was fucking 4 years ago. The Irish need to remember that they needed to untie the game and score a goal. 1 goal and not only they would've untied it, they would ve qualified after that goal. Had Henry not scored, they still needed 1 goal to qualify. Did they score??? No, so fucking get over it!!

And yeah, i'm tired of crackheads seeing conspirations for every fucking FIFA, UEFA and national cup draw by the local federation. That video is fucking shit nietzsche. the girl is releasing the paper from just one hand, so of course it folds back instantly; while the guy is bringing together both of his hands still holding it. How is it supposed to fold back on its own if he is still holding it? So they would be sooooo retarded, that when they do the draw they would just keep unfolded papers hidden behind the desk to replace the real ones? why not just simply keep folded papers behind the desk? Why make a draw that sucks so much for brazil????
Blatter is from Switzerland. how come you guys are only pointing fingers at france but not switzerland? take it easy on the crack pipe.

And france only easy groups... last 2012 eurocup we had england, sweden and ukraine, the host. quarter finals against spain the future winner/title contender+world champion. That competition is the one held by the UEFA; so as you are stupidly insinuating Platini is manipulating everything backstage, why would he have so much power for world cups and so little for eurocups? There are always easier groups than others, and always trying to find a reason to randomness and luck is for retards. Now go start a thread about dice manipulation in cc because the owner doesn't like you.

[Trevor33]

Thanks for taking the bait Frenchie.

BTW, Ireland and France were level when Henry hand balled, so no, the Irish didn't need to score another goal... just not concede for pens.

I'm not bothered, they won't go past the last 16 anyway... if they even get that far looking at the last two world cups outside of Europe.

[Trevor33]

Thanks for taking the bait Frenchie.

BTW, Ireland and France were level when Henry hand balled, so no, the Irish didn't need to score another goal... just not concede for pens.

I'm not bothered, they won't go past the last 16 anyway... if they even get that far looking at the last two world cups outside of Europe.

[betiko]

:lol:

Thanks for taking the bait Frenchie.

BTW, Ireland and France were level when Henry hand balled, so no, the Irish didn't need to score another goal... just not concede for pens.

I'm not bothered, they won't go past the last 16 anyway... if they even get that far looking at the last two world cups outside of Europe.

I ve put them second in their group in my forecasts and as you can see i ve kept a low profile regarding our very lucky draw. I think all french are feeling the same. Yeah, the group stage we re in is ridiculous, but we know that we can f*ck this up. We almost fucked it up already playing the first leg of the playoffs vs ukraine as if it was a friendly, cause we were too happy to play them instead of portugal, and thought it was in the bag. I think we won t go past the 1/8th of finals only if we play argentina, otherwise we have our chances. We can still win vs argentina anyways. As i ve said before, france and italy are always the most unpredictable teams. Epic wins and epic f*ck ups all the time.

Regarding ireland; not conceding for penalties doesn t give them any advantage. They would stay at 50/50 chances. Scoring would ve forced france to score twice. Also french players were much more experienced and playing home, so they would ve had a slight advantage on penalties. Anyway, who cares. France did the most embarassing world cup of its history in 2010 and half of the country still hates them for the strike they did ( they refused to train for the last game vs s africa even if they still had a small chance to qualify to protest against anelka kicked out of the team). It would ve been better to see that team not qualify for the 2010 wc because of the stupid punks in the team.

How are your national teams perceived in your own country guys? Do they have a terrible image? Cause here it s the case... The staff and federation have been working hard with the players to try better their image since the last 4 years, but it s still not forgotten. They are seen as spoiled brats whatever they do. Even if it s partly right, it s quite obsessive and it isn t doing no good.

[Pirlo]

I'm in the town for the night

looks like World Cup is the hot topic at the moment?

Bet makes sense... France and Italy are too surprising to predict. To be hones, nothing would surprise me when comes to national team competitions, especially world cup! many people thought Brazil would easily win 2006, and they lost to the team who struggled all the way.. I personally didn't think Holland would make it to 2010 final.

Germany seem to be the toughest.. Many people expect so much from Argentina and Messi who have a lot of defensive problems and they have yet to develop and very good playmaker to assist Messi. Brazil usually starts crappy then begin developing until they get unbeatable like in copa americans and confederations cups. Spain? hard to guess. England? no clue. Holland? they could do it this time, who knows? Uruguay? defense not strong enough to win a world cup, but who knows?

While I believe Germany and Brazil have the biggest chances, it's really hard to write off any team. not to mention that it's getting harder to trust FIFA who think Casillas is a good candidate for 2013 best XI.. and since it's all about money, and if I was Blatter and asked who should win, I might pick Argentina because Messi, "the good boy," would make the cash flow as he is the most popular guy and his victory would make the game a lot more popular and loved worldwide.. better than getting those fans disappointed. Although CR7 may have more fans, obviously Blatter doesn't love him enough

Nice too meet you again, see you soon! cheerz

[nietzsche]

Last time betiko had an outburst like that he stopped posting for a month.

Please everybody, be gentle when talking to betiko.



BTW, the coach of Mexico, Herrera, is in the final of the Mexican league for the second time in a row, he left the team with the ticket for the playoffs already earned it, and the 1st place assured, to train the MExican team for the matches against New Zealand. Now he's come back to Club America (my team) to play the playoffs and hopefully they'll win it.

He's too offensive to my taste though, it's an spectacle and very pleasant to see offensive teams but they don't always win, but it has worked for the past 2 years.

So that's the Mexico we will see in the World Cup, and I don't know how it matches against Brazil, Croatia and Camerun. Since Brazil is not as offensive as in the past, it's most likely Mexico loses against Brazil for 2 goals. And if Camerun is the classic African team that plays fast, Mexico might lose against Camerun as well.

I can't really tell. And he plays with a 5-3-2, which will be odd in the WC cause most national teams play 4-4-2

[benga]

Last time betiko had an outburst like that he stopped posting for a month.

Please everybody, be gentle when talking to betiko.



BTW, the coach of Mexico, Herrera, is in the final of the Mexican league for the second time in a row, he left the team with the ticket for the playoffs already earned it, and the 1st place assured, to train the MExican team for the matches against New Zealand. Now he's come back to Club America (my team) to play the playoffs and hopefully they'll win it.

He's too offensive to my taste though, it's an spectacle and very pleasant to see offensive teams but they don't always win, but it has worked for the past 2 years.

So that's the Mexico we will see in the World Cup, and I don't know how it matches against Brazil, Croatia and Camerun. Since Brazil is not as offensive as in the past, it's most likely Mexico loses against Brazil for 2 goals. And if Camerun is the classic African team that plays fast, Mexico might lose against Camerun as well.

I can't really tell. And he plays with a 5-3-2, which will be odd in the WC cause most national teams play 4-4-2

He needs 5 defenders to be really offensive

Defense is the best attack!!!

nobody in their predictions picked any upsets

[nietzsche]

Last time betiko had an outburst like that he stopped posting for a month.

Please everybody, be gentle when talking to betiko.



BTW, the coach of Mexico, Herrera, is in the final of the Mexican league for the second time in a row, he left the team with the ticket for the playoffs already earned it, and the 1st place assured, to train the MExican team for the matches against New Zealand. Now he's come back to Club America (my team) to play the playoffs and hopefully they'll win it.

He's too offensive to my taste though, it's an spectacle and very pleasant to see offensive teams but they don't always win, but it has worked for the past 2 years.

So that's the Mexico we will see in the World Cup, and I don't know how it matches against Brazil, Croatia and Camerun. Since Brazil is not as offensive as in the past, it's most likely Mexico loses against Brazil for 2 goals. And if Camerun is the classic African team that plays fast, Mexico might lose against Camerun as well.

I can't really tell. And he plays with a 5-3-2, which will be odd in the WC cause most national teams play 4-4-2

He needs 5 defenders to be really offensive

Defense is the best attack!!!

nobody in their predictions picked any upsets

Are you serious? 5-3-2 allows for the defenders on the sides (sorry, don't know the terminology is english) to go happily to the attack, you could say it becomes a 3-3-4 when on attack.

[Timminz]

Last time betiko had an outburst like that he stopped posting for a month.

Please everybody, be gentle when talking to betiko.



BTW, the coach of Mexico, Herrera, is in the final of the Mexican league for the second time in a row, he left the team with the ticket for the playoffs already earned it, and the 1st place assured, to train the MExican team for the matches against New Zealand. Now he's come back to Club America (my team) to play the playoffs and hopefully they'll win it.

He's too offensive to my taste though, it's an spectacle and very pleasant to see offensive teams but they don't always win, but it has worked for the past 2 years.

So that's the Mexico we will see in the World Cup, and I don't know how it matches against Brazil, Croatia and Camerun. Since Brazil is not as offensive as in the past, it's most likely Mexico loses against Brazil for 2 goals. And if Camerun is the classic African team that plays fast, Mexico might lose against Camerun as well.

I can't really tell. And he plays with a 5-3-2, which will be odd in the WC cause most national teams play 4-4-2

He needs 5 defenders to be really offensive

Defense is the best attack!!!

nobody in their predictions picked any upsets

Are you serious? 5-3-2 allows for the defenders on the sides (sorry, don't know the terminology is english) to go happily to the attack, you could say it becomes a 3-3-4 when on attack.

More like 3-5-2, really.

[benga]

Mexico has the best attacking defenders!!

Looks like an easy win for Croatia there, like 5-1 or something like that...

[betiko]

yup, brazilian style "laterales" nietzsche. mate; is memo ochoa going to be in the team? gio and jonoathan dos santos, carlos vela, chicharrito hernandez...?

Pirlo, nice to see you back, where the hell have you been???

[JBlombier]

Holland is gonna take it this time, I'm sure of it!

[nietzsche]

Last time betiko had an outburst like that he stopped posting for a month.

Please everybody, be gentle when talking to betiko.



BTW, the coach of Mexico, Herrera, is in the final of the Mexican league for the second time in a row, he left the team with the ticket for the playoffs already earned it, and the 1st place assured, to train the MExican team for the matches against New Zealand. Now he's come back to Club America (my team) to play the playoffs and hopefully they'll win it.

He's too offensive to my taste though, it's an spectacle and very pleasant to see offensive teams but they don't always win, but it has worked for the past 2 years.

So that's the Mexico we will see in the World Cup, and I don't know how it matches against Brazil, Croatia and Camerun. Since Brazil is not as offensive as in the past, it's most likely Mexico loses against Brazil for 2 goals. And if Camerun is the classic African team that plays fast, Mexico might lose against Camerun as well.

I can't really tell. And he plays with a 5-3-2, which will be odd in the WC cause most national teams play 4-4-2

He needs 5 defenders to be really offensive

Defense is the best attack!!!

nobody in their predictions picked any upsets

Are you serious? 5-3-2 allows for the defenders on the sides (sorry, don't know the terminology is english) to go happily to the attack, you could say it becomes a 3-3-4 when on attack.

More like 3-5-2, really.

What if the get into the area?

[nietzsche]

Mexico has the best attacking defenders!!

Looks like an easy win for Croatia there, like 5-1 or something like that...

lol

[nagerous]

betiko super happy and nagerous not so much.

The World Cup is all about playing the best teams. A trickier group might be better for later rounds where you will have to face the best teams eventually if you want to win.

[nagerous]

Italy + Uruguay are good teams but they both have weaknesses. Italy lacks potent strikers, uruguay's only real strength is their potent strikeforce.

[nietzsche]

yup, brazilian style "laterales" nietzsche. mate; is memo ochoa going to be in the team? gio and jonoathan dos santos, carlos vela, chicharrito hernandez...?

Pirlo, nice to see you back, where the hell have you been???

Yes, "laterales".

I wouldn't worry about the goalie, Mexico has 4-5 goalies on excellent level really, Ochoa will be there but I'm not sure he'll be chosen to start. I don't think Jona will make it, he's injured right now and he hasn't consistently played in a team. Giovani and Chicharito should be in the team, but they don't have it easy now, because they were sucking in the national team lately and the new players did very well. Vela is a different case, he is upset for the way they treated him and started declining calls, and he was able to focus in Real Sociedad and was playing very well, so he kept declining the call, which I think was smart. Now, if they call him, some players might be upset, and half of Mexico is upset with him too.

There's this one "latelal" that plays in Club America and in the Mexican team, Miguel Layun, that 2 years ago was on a terrible level. I mean, he's always been very good defensively, in the 1vs1 was very hard to pass, because he's fast and does it well, but every team he went attacking he sucked completely. But, something happened, since around May of this year, that he started doing better and better, in the past final, in June I think, he scored the last penalty, sort of slipped and didn't kicked it very well but it went in. Fans, jokingly started saying "blame Layun for the championship", in reference that when they lost in the past, everyone blamed him (and they were maybe right).

So after that, this guy became an excellent player, the dude is righty but plays on the left side, and runs very fast, does his job defending and then goes attacking, and almost every time he has a chance to pass the ball to a striker he puts it right where he should, and with the left foot. It's exciting really, to see this guy that was so bad assisting in the past and now he does it very well. I'm not saying kicking the ball to see if X player arrives and can score, no, he's assisting perfectly the strikers.

Confidence gives all that.

[nietzsche]

Italy + Uruguay are good teams but they both have weaknesses. Italy lacks potent strikers, uruguay's only real strength is their potent strikeforce.

nagerous, what about England's matches? I heard they will have to travel a lot.

[Timminz]

Last time betiko had an outburst like that he stopped posting for a month.

Please everybody, be gentle when talking to betiko.



BTW, the coach of Mexico, Herrera, is in the final of the Mexican league for the second time in a row, he left the team with the ticket for the playoffs already earned it, and the 1st place assured, to train the MExican team for the matches against New Zealand. Now he's come back to Club America (my team) to play the playoffs and hopefully they'll win it.

He's too offensive to my taste though, it's an spectacle and very pleasant to see offensive teams but they don't always win, but it has worked for the past 2 years.

So that's the Mexico we will see in the World Cup, and I don't know how it matches against Brazil, Croatia and Camerun. Since Brazil is not as offensive as in the past, it's most likely Mexico loses against Brazil for 2 goals. And if Camerun is the classic African team that plays fast, Mexico might lose against Camerun as well.

I can't really tell. And he plays with a 5-3-2, which will be odd in the WC cause most national teams play 4-4-2

He needs 5 defenders to be really offensive

Defense is the best attack!!!

nobody in their predictions picked any upsets

Are you serious? 5-3-2 allows for the defenders on the sides (sorry, don't know the terminology is english) to go happily to the attack, you could say it becomes a 3-3-4 when on attack.

More like 3-5-2, really.

What if the get into the area?

Then are they really defenders? Wouldn't a player that is expected to both attack and defend be considered a true midfielder?

[betiko]

Then are they really defenders? Wouldn't a player that is expected to both attack and defend be considered a true midfielder?

ok what are they called in english.. righ & left defenders? there isn't a specific term? don't have it mind, if someone can help me and niezsche.. They are way more offensive in south america. There is often problems whe european clubs buy some good ones in south america because they are not adapted to our game systems; they leave spaces behind and they must run back very fast to their defensive position; it requires a lot of stamina all game. Those players are then often used either as R/L defenders or R/L attacking midfielders in europe; very few coaches use a system where the defenders use all the field all game. they are usually very fast players with a lot of stamina and are able to run till the opponent's area and center the ball to the striker.

[Army of GOD]

USA is going to win you fuckin commies

[betiko]

Italy + Uruguay are good teams but they both have weaknesses. Italy lacks potent strikers, uruguay's only real strength is their potent strikeforce.

nagerous, what about England's matches? I heard they will have to travel a lot.

for me england is the weakest of all 3. might be proven wrong!
Italy a striker problem? balotelli, el sharawi, giovinco, gilardino... cassano..totti lol. you don't need to score 4 or 5 per game if you have a good defense and midfield! they went to the last eurocup final beating... germany!!! and uruguay went to the last wc s semifinal and won the copa america again last year.

[betiko]

USA is going to win you fuckin commies

aog takes bets gets!!!

[nietzsche]

Last time betiko had an outburst like that he stopped posting for a month.

Please everybody, be gentle when talking to betiko.



BTW, the coach of Mexico, Herrera, is in the final of the Mexican league for the second time in a row, he left the team with the ticket for the playoffs already earned it, and the 1st place assured, to train the MExican team for the matches against New Zealand. Now he's come back to Club America (my team) to play the playoffs and hopefully they'll win it.

He's too offensive to my taste though, it's an spectacle and very pleasant to see offensive teams but they don't always win, but it has worked for the past 2 years.

So that's the Mexico we will see in the World Cup, and I don't know how it matches against Brazil, Croatia and Camerun. Since Brazil is not as offensive as in the past, it's most likely Mexico loses against Brazil for 2 goals. And if Camerun is the classic African team that plays fast, Mexico might lose against Camerun as well.

I can't really tell. And he plays with a 5-3-2, which will be odd in the WC cause most national teams play 4-4-2

He needs 5 defenders to be really offensive

Defense is the best attack!!!

nobody in their predictions picked any upsets

Are you serious? 5-3-2 allows for the defenders on the sides (sorry, don't know the terminology is english) to go happily to the attack, you could say it becomes a 3-3-4 when on attack.

More like 3-5-2, really.

What if the get into the area?

Then are they really defenders? Wouldn't a player that is expected to both attack and defend be considered a true midfielder?

I was joking. If we have to put them in numbers I guess it's more appropiate to say 3-5-2, but what I meant is that playing with 3 "central defenders" give the liberty to the side defenders to go attacking more.