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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:37 pm

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betiko wrote:Doesn t exist here, will have just the same odds as you it s just the english site. Bwin is the biggest, you go there and tell me.
Why do you anglo saxons need to always be so complicated with mesures ffs... Do you instantly know what 41/12 is compared to 43/13 or whatever.. Isn t a fucking number easier to instantly compute rather than a freaking fraction? There is not one fucking thing that you can do like the rest of europe seriously!


It obviously depends what system you were brought up with,and please don't try to say the French don't have their own set of national idiosyncrasies..plus the odds you quote would almost never be seen in a bookies in the UK,comprabable quoted odds would be 7-2 or 13-4,and anyone not able to see which of those is the longer price shouldn't go anywhere a betting shop.


how simple is the continental european way?
2,71 -> put 1 euro get 2,71 euros back. I understand the logic of the anglosaxon odds, but you have to agree that it's much less versatile to instantly mentally calculate stuff.
If I tell you bet 50£ @ 13/4, do you really calculate the payout faster that if I tell you 50£ @ 3,25?

The UK is the only one in europe to drive on the wrong side of the road, to use feet/miles, stones, pints/galons, use fractions for odds, not entering the euro zone (and again we need to make conversions!!) and so on. All europe work together to simplify stuff and the brits just have this guilty pleasure of making everything complicated and peculiar.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Beko the Great on Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:16 am



I'm not a fan of this conspiracy theories but when I looked at the groups of this world cup I could not do but wonder...

Especially regarding the group of Argentina (the biggest fan of Messi is... Blatter) and France (Michel Platini... :roll: )

Group E:
Switzerland
Ecuador
France
Honduras

Group F:
Argentina
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Iran
Nigeria

I'd say that half the teams of this world cup would have an easy work overcoming the opponents of France and Argentina, while teams like Portugal, Germany, England, Italy and Uruguay will have to eat dirt and grass if they want a place in the round of 16.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:06 am

You nailed it! Blatter said he liked messi and thought that cristiano ronaldo acted a bit like a commander, therefore a month later, he asks this guy a special mission. "Let s cheat in the world cup draws, i tell you all the groups i want to happen, depending on the player i m fan of and i already told the world about. Also, Platini who is head of the UEFA is running candidacy for my seat and i don t want to leave. I will therefore please him with an easy draw for france bringing him into my group!!"

Seems legit!
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Armandolas on Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:10 am

bet365 probably the most "international" betting sitte around...these are the odds:

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Belgium and Colombia with better odds than france, italy portugal or holland is just hilarious..they have nice players but i doubt they go through another round if they pass the group stage.
Germany above spain is also a bad call. They are the best team in the world, but makes sense that brasil and argentina get the lowest odds due to continental adaptation

Betiko u cant deny, France was placed in pot 2, wich would make their life very hard and suddenly they changed the rules of draw and placed them in pot 4 making it 9 teams and pot 2 7 teams? that was weird

About Portugal. Im quite sceptical about our chances, but i believe we have team to go trhough the group stage. Its hard but if we play at our level we can do it. We have a similar group to last years WC.
There is a factor that might become a help for us, is that we will probably play at "home" all of our games except if we face brasil in the final :D
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Armandolas on Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:31 am

Manchester City – Barcelona

Olympiakos - Manchester United

Milan - Atlético Madrid

Bayer Leverkusen - Paris Saint-Germain

Galatasaray - Chelsea

Schalke - Real Madrid

Zenit - Borussia Dortmund

Arsenal - Bayern

Here is the chance for city to prove something in europe. Wow that is a big clash.
Easy life for Utd even if they dont have a top notch 11. Real also should go through with ease.
PSG , Chelsea and Bayern have tough matches but they should go through
Many people dont believe in Zenit but it will be a very close decision against Dortmund. Same as Milan vs Atl.Madrid
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Re: Football (real)

Postby JoshyBoy on Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:53 am

Oh man... we got Bayern again?!?

Another 0-2 at the Allianz Arena would be great thanks boys....
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Re: Football (real)

Postby iAmCaffeine on Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:15 am

City vs Barca, Milan vs Atletico and Arsenal vs Bayern will be good to watch.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:36 am

Armandolas wrote:Manchester City – Barcelona

Olympiakos - Manchester United

Milan - Atlético Madrid

Bayer Leverkusen - Paris Saint-Germain

Galatasaray - Chelsea

Schalke - Real Madrid

Zenit - Borussia Dortmund

Arsenal - Bayern

Here is the chance for city to prove something in europe. Wow that is a big clash.
Easy life for Utd even if they dont have a top notch 11. Real also should go through with ease.
PSG , Chelsea and Bayern have tough matches but they should go through
Many people dont believe in Zenit but it will be a very close decision against Dortmund. Same as Milan vs Atl.Madrid


I really don't know what leverkussen is worth these days... great results and such an unknown roster for me..
just looking, Palop as a keeper, Spahic in defense both used to play for sevilla... and that's it! i know none of them! the eam I know the leastout of those last 16. Hard to make an opinion about this draw, sounds like a trap.

I think that the atletico will spank milan sooo hard.... this club has always been very good in cups, and this year they are stronger than ever. they are tied on the first place with barcelona. They will not only pass, they will humiliate milan.

anyways, I'd say barça, united, Atletico, PSG, Chelsea, real, dortmund and bayer.

"Betiko u cant deny, France was placed in pot 2, wich would make their life very hard and suddenly they changed the rules of draw and placed them in pot 4 making it 9 teams and pot 2 7 teams? that was weird"

if there was a conspircy in france's favour, why would we have drawn the group of spain, clearly the toughest being the current double european champion + world champion (probably the best national team ever for that) in a group of 5 instead of 6 like everyone which is clearly penalizing for your fifa ranking? FIFA decided to conveniently stop the rankings 1 month before the playoff draws to qualify to the WC and we ended seeded in pot 2 instead of pot 1 because of that. Ukraine took our spot by... 1 point! the french federation made a demand because we had to play less games that counted than our rivals and they also closed the ranking with 2-3 weeks of anticipation.
Also, wat about the ballon d'or? Ribery was quite clearly going to win it; and at the last minute when cristiano ronaldo scored 4 goals to qualify portugal vs sweden they decided to give it another 2 weeks, to make sure the people that didn't vote could vote for ronaldo after what happened. ronaldo took advantage of the stuff that blatter said about him vs messi, and blatter made everything to show that he was not against the portuguese by changing the voting rule of the ballon d'or in the last minute.
Regarding, the pot thing; it was quite unclear how they would deal with the 9 european teams that had to be 8. this has been handled very sloppyly, just like the rest. to favour france? possibly I don't know. that kind of manouvre could happen, I don't know. Just like platini's influence when it was decided that france would host the eurocup 2016 probably weighted somewhere. I could imagine such things, but to manipulate a draw in front of the cameras, with extra little papers ect, that would be way too outrageous and that would make way too much dammage for their institution (fifa).
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Armandolas on Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:47 am

If you got through Rubin you will probably get an epic clash in round of 16 :D

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This is what i predict for the round of 16:

AZ - Anzhi
Lazio-Valencia
porto-Napoli
Lyon-Shaktar
Sevilla-Betis
Tottenham-benfica
Basel-Ajax
Juventus-Fiorentina

I have a lot of doubts on valencia and betis to go through round of 32 . the others im almost sure it will be like this
then in round of 16, most are tough matches
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Beko the Great on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:16 am

Armandolas wrote:bet365 probably the most "international" betting sitte around...these are the odds:

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Belgium and Colombia with better odds than france, italy portugal or holland


Let's bet Portugal or Italy then, since their REAL odds are undervalued!

Armandolas wrote:About Portugal. Im quite sceptical about our chances, but i believe we have team to go trhough the group stage. Its hard but if we play at our level we can do it. We have a similar group to last years WC.
There is a factor that might become a help for us, is that we will probably play at "home" all of our games except if we face brasil in the final :D


Portugal have a tough group but going first with the Germany is an advantage for a team that likes to facilitate in initial games (Germany puts some respect that makes Portugal players be at their best from the start). I think Portugal can defeat Germany in the first game and with (a great amount of) luck Germany can be eliminated right in the group stage.

In the eliminating stage, I'd say that Portugal is as better as the best and will make tough games against any opponent (the 0-0 after 120 mins in the Euro vs Spain is a good example of our chances!
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Beko the Great on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:25 am

betiko wrote:if there was a conspircy in france's favour, why would we have drawn the group of spain, clearly the toughest being the current double european champion + world champion (probably the best national team ever for that) in a group of 5 instead of 6 like everyone which is clearly penalizing for your fifa ranking? FIFA decided to conveniently stop the rankings 1 month before the playoff draws to qualify to the WC and we ended seeded in pot 2 instead of pot 1 because of that. Ukraine took our spot by... 1 point! the french federation made a demand because we had to play less games that counted than our rivals and they also closed the ranking with 2-3 weeks of anticipation.


In the ranking of October... Belgium and Switzerland are top 7 teams, in the ranking of November it is Portugal and Italy instead. Which would you rather have to play against France? :roll:

to manipulate a draw in front of the cameras, with extra little papers ect, that would be way too outrageous and that would make way too much dammage for their institution (fifa).

I agree but one cannot but wonder...
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:46 am

oh my.... a sevilla-betis for the next round, that would be epic! forgot to check what would happen on the following round. we are just so fucking weak right now, and sevilla could really humiliate us next round... we just lost 4-0 the derbi the other day... why is such an awesome draw happening this year??? last year we were better than them, we just sold all our players, the other half is injured.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:41 am

Beko the Great wrote:
betiko wrote:if there was a conspircy in france's favour, why would we have drawn the group of spain, clearly the toughest being the current double european champion + world champion (probably the best national team ever for that) in a group of 5 instead of 6 like everyone which is clearly penalizing for your fifa ranking? FIFA decided to conveniently stop the rankings 1 month before the playoff draws to qualify to the WC and we ended seeded in pot 2 instead of pot 1 because of that. Ukraine took our spot by... 1 point! the french federation made a demand because we had to play less games that counted than our rivals and they also closed the ranking with 2-3 weeks of anticipation.


In the ranking of October... Belgium and Switzerland are top 7 teams, in the ranking of November it is Portugal and Italy instead. Which would you rather have to play against France? :roll:


honestly, i'm far from thinking that switzerland and belgium are a much better draw than portugal or italy. portugal and italy could take the game not at 100%, while the other 2 wouldn't. Anyways, all I see is that you are all jealous of our luck for this draw and that you have to imagine crazy stuff!! :P
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Trevor33 on Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:01 pm

Bayern, Man utd, PSG, both Madrids, Dortmund, City and Chelsea but they could lose.

Arsenal in the past 4 years - Bacelona and Bayern TWICE!!!
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Lootifer on Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:09 pm

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benga wrote:
trevor33 wrote:You missed my point, French people put more money on French team, English people pit more money on English teams so the same company will have different odds for the same teams in different countries. If you want to know the real odds for PSG ask someone from a country who doesn't have a team in the last 16 to look.


you are really thick, can't you stop using crack?


Blame your cock sucking, heroin addict whore of a mother if you don't know what i'm talking about but don't take it out on others, looks pretty lame.

Both of you tone it down please.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:24 pm

Can we still call each other crack/heroin/meth addict when we are annoyed as long as no crackwhore mum reference is made? It s quite important for our debates.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Armandolas on Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:32 pm

Absolutely, if people are not allowed to talk about mums, football does not make any sense
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Trevor33 on Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:12 pm

betiko wrote:Can we still call each other crack/heroin/meth addict when we are annoyed as long as no crackwhore mum reference is made? It s quite important for our debates.


:lol:
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Lootifer on Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:40 pm

betiko wrote:Can we still call each other crack/heroin/meth addict when we are annoyed as long as no crackwhore mum reference is made? It s quite important for our debates.

Oh certainly. Hell even mum jokes are fine. Just try and maintain some kind of tastefullness, and keep the genuine personal insults out.

Just perform the beer test:

If you insult someone...

a) and you wouldn't share a beer with them afterwards
b) but you'd happily buy them a pint afterwards

If you finish the sentance with a) then dont post it. If its b) then the more inventive the better :lol:
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Trevor33 on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:33 pm

Excellent, mine is always b. There way be poison in the beer but that's not the point :-({|=
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Timminz on Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:26 am

trevor33 wrote:There way be poison in the beer but that's not the point :-({|=


No, that is the point...






...of beer.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby nietzsche on Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:04 am

My predictions:

Manchester City – Barcelona

Olympiakos - Manchester United

Milan - Atlético Madrid

Bayer Leverkusen - Paris Saint-Germain

Galatasaray - Chelsea

Schalke - Real Madrid

Zenit - Borussia Dortmund

Arsenal - Bayern
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Re: Football (real)

Postby JoshyBoy on Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:03 am

nietzsche wrote:My predictions:

Manchester City – Barcelona

Olympiakos - Manchester United

Milan - Atlético Madrid

Bayer Leverkusen - Paris Saint-Germain

Galatasaray - Chelsea

Schalke - Real Madrid

Zenit - Borussia Dortmund

Arsenal - Bayern


Agree 100% :)
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Timminz on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:10 am

Anything else would be an upset.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:13 am

JoshyBoy wrote:
nietzsche wrote:My predictions:

Manchester City – Barcelona

Olympiakos - Manchester United

Milan - Atlético Madrid

Bayer Leverkusen - Paris Saint-Germain

Galatasaray - Chelsea

Schalke - Real Madrid

Zenit - Borussia Dortmund

Arsenal - Bayern


Agree 100% :)


Yup that s what i went for too. And since it s everyone s favorites.... Basically we are all just qualifying the ones that ended 1st in the group stage, we can be certain there will be at least 1 surprise!
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