Who take vaccine?

[mookiemcgee]

Everyone who takes the vaccine dies within 60 minutes. Anyone who claims to have taken it is actually a ghost.

So uh...

Still here. Very much alive. Idk why.

I don't understand how you are typing with ghost fingers? Are you haunting us with voice to text?

[jonesthecurl]

Personally, I gave the vaccine to my computer, so we're both ghosts.

[saxitoxin]

Everyone who takes the vaccine dies within 60 minutes. Anyone who claims to have taken it is actually a ghost.

So uh...

Still here. Very much alive. Idk why.

I don't understand how you are typing with ghost fingers? Are you haunting us with voice to text?

DDS' fingers are so fat that even in a disembodied, vaporous form they still cause the keys to depress

[Dukasaur]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280

Henning Jacobson, a 50-year-old minister, put his faith in his own liberty. Back in his native Sweden, he had suffered a bad reaction to a vaccine as an infant, struggling for years with an angry rash. Now he was an American citizen, serving as pastor of the Swedish Lutheran Church in Cambridge, Massachusetts. That gave him the full protections of the U.S. Constitution.

So when the Cambridge board of health decided that all adults must be vaccinated for smallpox, Jacobson sought refuge in the Constitution’s promise that no state shall “deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law.”

The year was 1904, and when his politically charged legal challenge to the $5 fine for failing to get vaccinated made its way to the Supreme Court, the justices had a surprise for Rev. Jacobson. One man’s liberty, they declared in a 7-2 ruling handed down the following February, cannot deprive his neighbors of their own liberty — in this case by allowing the spread of disease. Jacobson, they ruled, must abide by the order of the Cambridge board of health or pay the penalty.

“There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good,” read the majority opinion. “On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy.”

Jacobson’s claim was essentially the same as that taken for granted by vaccine skeptics today: That they have the personal liberty under the U.S. Constitution to decide for themselves whether to take the shot. Backed by a group called The Anti-Vaccination Society, Jacobson made a formidable case, incorporating many of the same arguments about freedom from government interference that are ricocheting around cable TV this summer, and mouthed by politicians. Donald Trump, after recommending at a rally on Aug. 21 that his supporters get vaccinated, quickly added after a smattering of boos: “But you do have your freedoms you have to keep. You have to maintain that.”

The question of whether those freedoms include refusing a legally mandated Covid-19 vaccine, should any government implement such a requirement today, has yet to come before the Supreme Court — or any court. But in the event that it does, the 116-year-old case brought by Henning Jacobson would be the standing legal precedent.

[jusplay4fun]

Latest Horrific Side Effects --- Male Teenagers Keeling Over from Heart Attacks Four Days after Death Jab

Reports of heart problem after COVID vaccine: What is myocarditis?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are now investigating reports of heart problems from young vaccine recipients, predominantly male adolescents and young adults.

“The condition is called myocarditis, it's an inflammation of the heart muscle,” said Dr. Nina Radcliff to The National Desk’s Jan Jeffcoat.
What do we know so far about the potential side effect?

“Cases typically occur within four days after receiving the mRNA vaccines, and in the US, it's the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines,” said Dr. Radcliff.

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/repo ... yocarditis

Let's fill in a few "blanks" that saxi forgot to include:

1) NO deaths, as saxi wants the weak minded to believe;

2) cases are mild;

3) NO link to the COVID vaccine established;

4) Cases may have been there without ANY association to the vaccine; many cases are diagnosed each year without COVID or the vaccine.

5) I heard a few reports that there may be about 12 cases to date, and again, NO Link to the vaccine has been established. You are more likely to be struck by lightning than this occurrence, assuming this link is EVER established.

saxi is now zero to 1,201

Myocarditis is an inflammation of the heart muscle that often occurs after infection with a virus, such as influenza or the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19. Symptoms can range from mild fatigue and chest pain that resolves on its own to heart rhythm irregularities, cardiac arrest and even death in rare, severe cases. Most cases resolve with no long-term effects, according to a 2020 review in the Journal of Cardiothoracic and Vascular Anesthesia. Males tend to be more commonly affected by myocarditis, according to that study.

About 10 to 22 people per 100,000 — or up to 70,000 people in the U.S. — are diagnosed with viral myocarditis every year, according to the study. However, many cases are so mild that they are never diagnosed, meaning true incidence is likely higher.

So far, more than 4 million people under age 18 have received mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, and tens of millions ages 24 and younger have received the vaccine, according to the CDC, so many cases would be expected by chance in this population. The CDC did not say how many cases of myocarditis they were investigating.

https://www.livescience.com/myocarditis-covid-19-vaccines.html

COVID-19 VaST Work Group Technical Report – May 17, 2021
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Technical (VaST) Work Group has reviewed post-authorization COVID-19 vaccine safety data on a weekly basis since the start of the U.S. vaccination program. Updates of VaST activities and VaST assessments of safety data were presented at ACIP meetings on January 27, March 1, April 14, April 23, and May 12; ACIP meetings are open to the public.

The VaST session on May 17, 2021, included several presentations on myocarditis following mRNA vaccines, from the Department of Defense (DoD), the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), and Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD). There were also brief updates from the Veteran’s Administration (VA) and the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) groups about their plans for future investigation of myocarditis.

VaST concluded that there are relatively few reports of myocarditis to date and that these cases seem to occur:

predominantly in adolescents and young adults,
more often in males than females,
more often following dose 2 than dose 1, and
typically within 4 days after vaccination.
Most cases appear to be mild, and follow-up of cases is ongoing.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/work-groups-vast/technical-report-2021-05-17.html

Call this suxi LIE #15 about COVID-19 and its vaccines.

One wonders how many other lies suxi makes in his other threads.

BTW, updates on suxi's LIE #15:

Myocarditis and Pericarditis After mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination
Updated Sept. 8, 2021

What You Need to Know
Cases of myocarditis reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)external icon have occurred:
After mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), especially in male adolescents and young adults,
More often after the second dose
Usually within several days after vaccination
Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis who received care responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly.
Patients can usually return to their normal daily activities after their symptoms improve. Those who have been diagnosed with myocarditis should consult with their cardiologist (heart doctor) about return to exercise or sports. More information will be shared as it becomes available.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

Results
Among 2 000 287 individuals receiving at least 1 COVID-19 vaccination, 58.9% were women, the median age was 57 years (interquartile range [IQR], 40-70 years), 76.5% received more than 1 dose, 52.6% received the BNT162b2 vaccine (Pfizer/BioNTech), 44.1% received the mRNA-1273 vaccine (Moderna), and 3.1% received the Ad26.COV2.S vaccine (Janssen/Johnson & Johnson). Twenty individuals had vaccine-related myocarditis (1.0 [95% CI, 0.61-1.54] per 100 000) and 37 had pericarditis (1.8 [95% CI, 1.30-2.55] per 100 000).

Myocarditis occurred a median of 3.5 days (IQR, 3.0-10.8 days) after vaccination (mRNA-1273 vaccine, 11 cases [55%]; BNT162b2 vaccine, 9 cases [45%]) (Table). Fifteen individuals (75%; 95% CI, 53%-89%) were male, and the median age was 36 years (IQR, 26-48 years). Four persons (20%; 95% CI, 8%-42%) developed symptoms after the first vaccination and 16 (80%; 95% CI, 58%-92%) developed symptoms after the second. Nineteen patients (95%; 95% CI, 76%-99%) were admitted to the hospital. All were discharged after a median of 2 days (IQR, 2-3 days). There were no readmissions or deaths. Two patients received a second vaccination after onset of myocarditis; neither had worsening of symptoms. At last available follow-up (median, 23.5 days [IQR, 4.8-41.3 days] after symptom onset), 13 patients (65%; 95% CI, 43%-82%) had symptom resolution and 7 (35%; 95% CI, 18%-57%) were improving.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782900

[jusplay4fun]

Everyone who takes the vaccine dies within 60 minutes. Anyone who claims to have taken it is actually a ghost.

suxi must have asked O.J. and this is his response.

Keep trying, suxi. At least this way we can see how much truth you quote.

[mookiemcgee]

Everyone who takes the vaccine dies within 60 minutes. Anyone who claims to have taken it is actually a ghost.

suxi must have asked O.J. and this is his response.

Keep trying, suxi. At least this way we can see how much truth you quote.

If the vaccine don't fit, you must acquit!

[jusplay4fun]

Everyone who takes the vaccine dies within 60 minutes. Anyone who claims to have taken it is actually a ghost.

suxi must have asked O.J. and this is his response.

Keep trying, suxi. At least this way we can see how much truth you quote.

If the vaccine don't fit, you must acquit!

did YOU ask O.J.?

[mookiemcgee]

Everyone who takes the vaccine dies within 60 minutes. Anyone who claims to have taken it is actually a ghost.

suxi must have asked O.J. and this is his response.

Keep trying, suxi. At least this way we can see how much truth you quote.

If the vaccine don't fit, you must acquit!

did YOU ask O.J.?

O.J. is a scumbag, and I think he was involved but personally I think this guy actually committed the murder (at the bequest of O.J.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Edward_Rogers

just my opinion!

[jusplay4fun]

Everyone who takes the vaccine dies within 60 minutes. Anyone who claims to have taken it is actually a ghost.

suxi must have asked O.J. and this is his response.

Keep trying, suxi. At least this way we can see how much truth you quote.

If the vaccine don't fit, you must acquit!

did YOU ask O.J.?

O.J. is a scumbag, and I think he was involved but personally I think this guy actually committed the murder (at the bequest of O.J.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Edward_Rogers

just my opinion!

I am unaware of any significant tangible evidence that even implicates any other person as the murderer, other than O.J. Simpson.

Simpson was represented by a high-profile defense team, referred to as the "Dream Team", which was initially led by Robert Shapiro[8][9][10] and subsequently directed by Johnnie Cochran. The team also included F. Lee Bailey, Alan Dershowitz, Robert Kardashian, Shawn Holley, Carl E. Douglas, and Gerald Uelmen. Barry Scheck and Peter Neufeld were two additional attorneys who specialized in DNA evidence. While Deputy District Attorneys Marcia Clark, William Hodgman and Christopher Darden believed they had a strong case against Simpson, Cochran was able to convince the jury that there was reasonable doubt concerning the DNA evidence in this case, which was a relatively new form of evidence in trials at that time.[11] The reasonable doubt theory included evidence that the blood sample had allegedly been mishandled by lab scientists and technicians, and there were questionable circumstances that surrounded other court exhibits.[12] Cochran and the defense team also alleged other misconduct by the LAPD related to systemic racism and incompetence, in particular actions and comments of Detective Mark Fuhrman.

The trial became historically significant because of the reaction to the verdict.[13] Although the nation observed the same evidence presented at trial, a division along racial lines emerged in observers opinion of the verdict, which the media dubbed the "racial gap".[14] A poll of Los Angeles County residents showed that most African Americans felt that justice had been served by the "not guilty" verdict, while the majority of whites and Latinos felt it was a racially motivated jury nullification[15][16] by a mostly African-American jury.[17] More recent polling shows the "gap" has narrowed since the trial, with over half of polled black respondents in 2013 stating they believed Simpson was guilty.[18]

After the trial, Goldman's father filed a civil suit against Simpson. On February 4, 1997, the jury unanimously found Simpson responsible for the deaths of both Goldman and Brown.[19] The Goldman family was awarded compensatory and punitive damages totaling $33.5 million ($54 million in 2020 dollars), but have received only a small portion of that monetary figure. In 2000, Simpson left California for Florida, one of the few states where personal assets such as homes and pensions cannot be seized to cover liabilities that were incurred in other states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case

[jusplay4fun]

The Sky if falling, JUS as all those are dying because of the COVID Vaccine (as suxi claims)....

OR maybe they are dying because they did NOT get the vaccine.

Raleigh
Aug 27, 2021
The North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services yesterday released new data in the weekly respiratory surveillance report showing that unvaccinated people were 15.4 times, or 1,540 percent, more likely to die from COVID-19 during the four-week period ending Aug. 21, 2021. This comes as the state hit a pandemic high on Aug. 26 with 912 adults in the ICU with COVID-19. The number of COVID-19 patients on ventilators also reached a record high at 574.

https://www.ncdhhs.gov/news/press-releases/2021/08/27/adult-icu-patients-hit-record-highs-pandemic-new-report-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-more-15-times

[Doc_Brown]

An interesting history lesson on Fauci's involvement with the AIDS epidemic:

[bigtoughralf]

'I'm curious, Ryan, what your take is on this', following by 2-3 minutes of Ryan discrediting absolutely everything she said what a bozo

The main take-away seems to be that the host's obsessed with coming at this from all angles. Anyone got any good deepfakes?

[saxitoxin]

Nicki Minaj just posted about the vaccine:

https://twitter.com/NICKIMINAJ/status/1 ... 6945341441








JP4 in 3, 2, 1 ...

[riskllama]

Nicki Minaj just posted about the vaccine:

https://twitter.com/NICKIMINAJ/status/1 ... 6945341441








JP4 in 3, 2, 1 ...

who cares what nicki minaj thinks about anything???

[DirtyDishSoap]

+1 Llama.

Celebs live in their own little world.

[aladeen]

Nicki Minaj just posted about the vaccine:

https://twitter.com/NICKIMINAJ/status/1 ... 6945341441








JP4 in 3, 2, 1 ...

To be clear, those are not known symptoms of any vaccine, but they are symptoms of an STD. It sounds like maybe her cousin just had a fling before he got married.

[Dukasaur]

Yup, pretty much. Aint it funny what you can blame on something else...

[jonesthecurl]

Nicki Minaj just posted about the vaccine:

https://twitter.com/NICKIMINAJ/status/1 ... 6945341441








JP4 in 3, 2, 1 ...

To be clear, those are not known symptoms of any vaccine, but they are symptoms of an STD. It sounds like maybe her cousin just had a fling before he got married.

Which might also explain why the girl called it off.

[jusplay4fun]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/08/vaccine-mandate-strong-supreme-court-precedent-510280

Henning Jacobson, a 50-year-old minister, put his faith in his own liberty. Back in his native Sweden, he had suffered a bad reaction to a vaccine as an infant, struggling for years with an angry rash. Now he was an American citizen, serving as pastor of the Swedish Lutheran Church in Cambridge, Massachusetts. That gave him the full protections of the U.S. Constitution.

So when the Cambridge board of health decided that all adults must be vaccinated for smallpox, Jacobson sought refuge in the Constitution’s promise that no state shall “deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law.”

The year was 1904, and when his politically charged legal challenge to the $5 fine for failing to get vaccinated made its way to the Supreme Court, the justices had a surprise for Rev. Jacobson. One man’s liberty, they declared in a 7-2 ruling handed down the following February, cannot deprive his neighbors of their own liberty — in this case by allowing the spread of disease. Jacobson, they ruled, must abide by the order of the Cambridge board of health or pay the penalty.

“There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good,” read the majority opinion. “On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy.”

Jacobson’s claim was essentially the same as that taken for granted by vaccine skeptics today: That they have the personal liberty under the U.S. Constitution to decide for themselves whether to take the shot. Backed by a group called The Anti-Vaccination Society, Jacobson made a formidable case, incorporating many of the same arguments about freedom from government interference that are ricocheting around cable TV this summer, and mouthed by politicians. Donald Trump, after recommending at a rally on Aug. 21 that his supporters get vaccinated, quickly added after a smattering of boos: “But you do have your freedoms you have to keep. You have to maintain that.”

The question of whether those freedoms include refusing a legally mandated Covid-19 vaccine, should any government implement such a requirement today, has yet to come before the Supreme Court — or any court. But in the event that it does, the 116-year-old case brought by Henning Jacobson would be the standing legal precedent.

Very interesting, Duk; GOOD FIND. Thanks for sharing.

I will quote more from the same source. To me, there are a few key matters:

1) This Jacobson case was based on a State Law and mandate and the 10th amendment therefore was a key point the article did NOT address.

2) This is the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) balancing individual rights vs. Safety of the community. In this case, the SCOTUS came down clearly on the side of the safety of the community (7-2 decision).

3) This case serves as legal precedent and there is no other case that carries such legal weight, as far as I know. Of course, until Duk shared this, I was not aware of such legal challenges.

4) One key difference is the length of time (a) smallpox was a DEADLY scourge to society and (b) the smallpox vaccine had been around quite a while, too.

5) Smallpox was not eradicated until universal (global) vaccination got it under control to eliminate the threat. I posted this very point earlier.

Yet it remains an intriguing question how today’s justices would view a Jacobson-like challenge to a Covid-19 vaccination mandate. For while the arguments would be largely the same, there are some differences in both the circumstances and attitudes among the justices.

For one thing, the smallpox inoculations of 1904 had been around for far longer than today’s coronavirus vaccines. Smallpox had been a rampant killer for most of recorded history, branding those who survived with lifetime scars. Anti-smallpox vaccines had been in development for well over a century by the time Jacobson lodged his complaint; no less than General George Washington had ordered his troops vaccinated against smallpox. The disease would finally be eradicated in 1980, following a concerted global vaccination campaign.

Would today’s justices believe that the shorter frame of reference for Covid vaccines is reason alone to reject a mandate? If not, the fate of the law would depend on how the court regards the concept of personal liberty in today’s highly polarized political landscape.

Henning Jacobson based his exercise of personal liberty on something tangible, his and his son’s bad experiences with vaccines. Few of today’s plaintiffs would proceed on that basis. Statistics suggest that only a handful of the 80 million Americans who’ve decided to forgo the Covid-19 vaccination have had any bad experiences with vaccines; plainly, they are expressing their distrust of the government’s campaign more as a matter of principle. Could today’s conservative justices, eager to expand First Amendment protections of speech and religion, find a way to turn the prism and view the case more through a free-expression lens than that of a public-health measure? It’s an intriguing possibility.

Yet it remains an intriguing question how today’s justices would view a Jacobson-like challenge to a Covid-19 vaccination mandate. For while the arguments would be largely the same, there are some differences in both the circumstances and attitudes among the justices.

For one thing, the smallpox inoculations of 1904 had been around for far longer than today’s coronavirus vaccines. Smallpox had been a rampant killer for most of recorded history, branding those who survived with lifetime scars. Anti-smallpox vaccines had been in development for well over a century by the time Jacobson lodged his complaint; no less than General George Washington had ordered his troops vaccinated against smallpox. The disease would finally be eradicated in 1980, following a concerted global vaccination campaign.

Would today’s justices believe that the shorter frame of reference for Covid vaccines is reason alone to reject a mandate? If not, the fate of the law would depend on how the court regards the concept of personal liberty in today’s highly polarized political landscape.

Henning Jacobson based his exercise of personal liberty on something tangible, his and his son’s bad experiences with vaccines. Few of today’s plaintiffs would proceed on that basis. Statistics suggest that only a handful of the 80 million Americans who’ve decided to forgo the Covid-19 vaccination have had any bad experiences with vaccines; plainly, they are expressing their distrust of the government’s campaign more as a matter of principle. Could today’s conservative justices, eager to expand First Amendment protections of speech and religion, find a way to turn the prism and view the case more through a free-expression lens than that of a public-health measure? It’s an intriguing possibility.

Many of those conservative justices, along with their liberal colleagues, are Harlan admirers. Jurists across the political spectrum respect the way that Harlan’s heartfelt dissents in cases involving the rights of African Americans and Gilded Age economic excesses helped turn the tide of legal thinking. Chief Justice John Roberts went so far as to place Harlan’s portrait on the walls of the room where justices discuss cases. And now it appears that they may, again, be called upon to assess the wisdom and prescience of his words in yet another case of urgent national importance.

Could the Great Dissenter emerge as the Great Protector of the Covid-19 pandemic? Only time will tell.

[saxitoxin]

Okay, I've been hinting around at stuff but mostly just having fun with JP4 and others. Now that we're getting closer to Day X, however, it's time to get serious. The vaccines haven't been sufficiently tested but they're probably fine, who cares. They may be saline for all I know. Anyway, since we don't have much time left, here you are.

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Q: If vaccines are effective, why does the United States have a travel ban against vaccinated Europeans and others?

A: Countries are keeping their citizens close to home and on a war-time footing. A global catastrophe is imminent and it's not a virus.

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Q: What do you mean?

A: The United States and United Kingdom just completed full censuses of the population then, once the books were closed on that, placed the population under the most onerous travel restrictions in centuries. Both countries currently have the single most accurate population counts in their history.

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Q: How should I prepare?

A: Traditional strategies for asset preservation during an exigency may not be effective in this specific situation.

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[saxitoxin]

In Scotland, with just 6 million people ...

A TOTAL of 92 people have died with Covid despite having received two doses of the vaccine, according to official figures.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19478 ... ine-doses/

[braxbrave77]

COVID-19 vaccine boosters are unnecessary for most.
Available evidence doesn’t yet indicate a need for COVID-19 vaccine booster shots among the general population, an international group of scientists said Monday, including two senior FDA officials reportedly stepping down from their posts over a disagreement with the White House on the administration of booster shots.

Marion Gruber, director of the FDA’s Office of Vaccines Research and Review, and her deputy director, Phil Krause, set to leave in October and November, published a viewpoint in The Lancet on Monday along with other experts worldwide, arguing that the COVID-19 vaccines remain effective in preventing severe disease, including against the highly transmissible and dominant delta variant.

[KoolBak]

Great. Another noob with input and zero games played. I'm hanging on the edge of my seat.