universalchiro wrote: PLAYER57832 wrote: The trouble is that science is somewhat difficult, or at least time-consuming to truly follow and understand, while "God did it... its in the Bible, stupid" is pretty easy.
That part is OK if that is where they stayed, but when they so actively distort science to claim that their views truly disprove real science... Well, Christ was not a supporter of lies.
Player, this is a very rudimentary argument. You lose integrity with this tactic, disappointed in your lack of effort.
How about you bring one issue at a time to discuss, versus a blanket and frankly statement without knowledge.
See. we have done this many times before... sad you don't remember.
You utterly ignored any real debate and contradiction to your views.
The ball is in YOUR court. Answer the already expressed issues with your claims.. or admit you are just blindly reciting dogma.
OK, I will try AGAIN---
universalchiro wrote:Young earth creationist predict that if the layers of the crust of the earth truly took 100,000 years to 1 million years to form each layer, that there would be erosion markings and commingling of the layers. But, since there are no mixing of the layers, then the hypothesis that each layer (according to evolutionary geologist) took 100K to 1 million years is not a tenable argument.
This AGAIN?
#1 it did not necessarily take 100,000 years to create each layer. This is probably something you got from a creationist site (they tend to bring up bogus "science facts" to "refute"). If a volcano goes off, the layer will be widespread. Similarly a flood will create a large, uniform layer in a very short time. Wind storms can do the same in some areas -- both covering and uncovering features. Some processes definitely do take longer. Also, its not as if layers are just formed and covered.. they erode, earthquakes and the like can move them, etc. This is in no way theory, it is fully trackable, and over a good deal of recorded history. Just look at the houses on the cliffs in Malibu for one example, or one of the big landslides hitting the news. Uplift, the process that is essentially behind most eqrthquakes, is evident all over California. The processes tracked in pre-history are the same or very sinilar, not this huge mystery. The mystery is finding out the specific and detailed history of each small area. That is a mystery as in "puzzle" and many of these puzzles have already been solved, though young earth creation sites carefully twist or flatly ignore the information. (just as an example, that 100,000 time frame likely refers to a particular process or layer of sediment in a particular area, not a universal time -- without seeing the original reference or even just where you got your information, its impossible to know where the misinformation occured)
Also, There IS what you would term "mixing" of layers... twisting, turning, etc. There is no overall mystery about most of the processes, just about the formation of particular sections, some particular features... the Marble Mountains, CA where I used to roam extensively is often called "The Klamath Knot" because the formations are so twisted it can seem like a knot, plus figuring out the processes and time line for each piece is like untying a knot. But knowing the details of each individual square meter, while interesting, is not even close to necessary to refute your claims. There is plenty of completely unquestionable, fully tracked data. I myself brought some of this to your attention previously, but you ignored it and finally just left when it became clear no one not in the same mindset already was buying your misinformation.
universalchiro wrote:
Let's compare the evidence next to the record in the Bible of the global flood. I predict with a global flood with flood waters filled with sediment from asteroids, volcanoes and fast moving tectonic plates that when the water settled over the next 12 months, the soil would settle according to density and form layers of the crust of the earth.
Since it is a law of physics that things settled according to density.
Huh?
The Bible simply talks about a flood. That is it. I don't dispute that, though I do say that its
possible (not fact, just possible) that the "world" was the
known world -- actually not just what the tribes would have known, but what was known loosely for many millenia. Anyway, that is just a possibility. NO ONE< no bible scholar, no historian knows for sure. The point is that God did it, there were consequences and humanity is to learn from that.
Your attempt at explanation is tragically in error. I cannot even begin to criticize it because the whole thing just lacks sense and goes so far beyond anything in the Bible its definitely not part of Christianity.
universalchiro wrote:[This is one topic (layers of the crust) that deals with science, stay on topic and be respectful & mature or our discussion will be short lived]
How do you respond to the above predictions, observation and the properties in physics of densities?
LOL.
I wish you had enough knowledge to just begin to understand how silly your "explanatons" sound, but you won't even try to question what you have been told.
I have debated with many other creationists... Widowmaker, in particular. I found the experience frustrating, but a challenge. He had integrity and intelligence. You put him to shame. You don't even truly understand our OWN explanations.
