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Hunter S. Thompson wrote:The Edge... There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over..
DoomYoshi wrote:Keeping Scotland in the UK is only the first step. We next need to take back the United States, China, India, Pakistan and most of Africa in Her Majesty's name.
saxitoxin wrote:well?
saxitoxin wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Keeping Scotland in the UK is only the first step. We next need to take back the United States, China, India, Pakistan and most of Africa in Her Majesty's name.
What Majesty? What if, in the post-independence chaos, England also declared independence from the UK, leaving the UK as just Wales? Should solo England hit the refresh button and make this Australian's son king?
Hunter S. Thompson wrote:The Edge... There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over..
DoomYoshi wrote:saxitoxin wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Keeping Scotland in the UK is only the first step. We next need to take back the United States, China, India, Pakistan and most of Africa in Her Majesty's name.
What Majesty? What if, in the post-independence chaos, England also declared independence from the UK, leaving the UK as just Wales? Should solo England hit the refresh button and make this Australian's son king?
In that case, Wales and Hanover would form an alliance.
saxitoxin wrote:I support independence. On the one hand, I would agree with tzor and chang that it would probably be a disaster for Scotland in the long-run, but I don't live there so I don't care.
On the other hand, I think the wider world would benefit. Humza Yousef would likely be elevated to foreign minister in an independent Scotland, making him the first Muslim foreign minister in a European nation; this would help influence the continued retreat of Europe from the Middle East. And the SNP has committed to increasing immigration levels to Scotland by 30%, which would help solidify its control by continuing to diversify the electorate. Further, we could likely see an end to British nuclear weapons if London decides it's too expensive to build a new base. We may even see the rump British state surrendering its Security Council seat under pressure to the EU, which is generally too paralyzed to do something like exercise a veto, which would help embolden UN decisionmaking.
notyou2 wrote:saxitoxin wrote:I support independence. On the one hand, I would agree with tzor and chang that it would probably be a disaster for Scotland in the long-run, but I don't live there so I don't care.
On the other hand, I think the wider world would benefit. Humza Yousef would likely be elevated to foreign minister in an independent Scotland, making him the first Muslim foreign minister in a European nation; this would help influence the continued retreat of Europe from the Middle East. And the SNP has committed to increasing immigration levels to Scotland by 30%, which would help solidify its control by continuing to diversify the electorate. Further, we could likely see an end to British nuclear weapons if London decides it's too expensive to build a new base. We may even see the rump British state surrendering its Security Council seat under pressure to the EU, which is generally too paralyzed to do something like exercise a veto, which would help embolden UN decisionmaking.
Do you also support Quebec independence?
saxitoxin wrote:I support independence. On the one hand, I would agree with tzor and chang that it would probably be a disaster for Scotland in the long-run, but I don't live there so I don't care.
On the other hand, I think the wider world would benefit. Humza Yousef would likely be elevated to foreign minister in an independent Scotland, making him the first Muslim foreign minister in a European nation; this would help influence the continued retreat of Europe from the Middle East. And the SNP has committed to increasing immigration levels to Scotland by 30%, which would help solidify its control by continuing to diversify the electorate. Further, we could likely see an end to British nuclear weapons if London decides it's too expensive to build a new base. We may even see the rump British state surrendering its Security Council seat under pressure to the EU, which is generally too paralyzed to do something like exercise a veto, which would help embolden UN decisionmaking.
notyou2 wrote:The Quebec populace would rather join the US than separate.
GoranZ wrote:saxitoxin wrote:I support independence. On the one hand, I would agree with tzor and chang that it would probably be a disaster for Scotland in the long-run, but I don't live there so I don't care.
On the other hand, I think the wider world would benefit. Humza Yousef would likely be elevated to foreign minister in an independent Scotland, making him the first Muslim foreign minister in a European nation; this would help influence the continued retreat of Europe from the Middle East. And the SNP has committed to increasing immigration levels to Scotland by 30%, which would help solidify its control by continuing to diversify the electorate. Further, we could likely see an end to British nuclear weapons if London decides it's too expensive to build a new base. We may even see the rump British state surrendering its Security Council seat under pressure to the EU, which is generally too paralyzed to do something like exercise a veto, which would help embolden UN decisionmaking.
Independence by no means doesn't mean financial problems for the country that become independent... If the politicians work properly that country will prosper, simple as that... And with proper decisions Scotland might become even more prosperous then it is today.
BigBallinStalin wrote:GoranZ wrote:saxitoxin wrote:I support independence. On the one hand, I would agree with tzor and chang that it would probably be a disaster for Scotland in the long-run, but I don't live there so I don't care.
On the other hand, I think the wider world would benefit. Humza Yousef would likely be elevated to foreign minister in an independent Scotland, making him the first Muslim foreign minister in a European nation; this would help influence the continued retreat of Europe from the Middle East. And the SNP has committed to increasing immigration levels to Scotland by 30%, which would help solidify its control by continuing to diversify the electorate. Further, we could likely see an end to British nuclear weapons if London decides it's too expensive to build a new base. We may even see the rump British state surrendering its Security Council seat under pressure to the EU, which is generally too paralyzed to do something like exercise a veto, which would help embolden UN decisionmaking.
Independence by no means doesn't mean financial problems for the country that become independent... If the politicians work properly that country will prosper, simple as that... And with proper decisions Scotland might become even more prosperous then it is today.
In other words, "assume that it'll work, then it'll work!"
It's not that simple, and beyond politicians, you have voters, bureaucrats, and special interests mixed into the stew. Then there's external pressures--namely the UK and the EU. The EU and the UK can give Scotland economic nightmares by stifling international trade to it. Also, Scotland's Labor party, if they gain more control, can pass many policies that'll likely not be in Scotland's long-term interest.
JJ wrote:Mark my words, If they become independant - I give it 10 years before scotland is in a state of despair.
tzor wrote:notyou2 wrote:The Quebec populace would rather join the US than separate.
The implication of that is to humorous to contemplate. I mean they already hate being in a nation where everyone speaks English, can you imagine being in a nation where everyone is expected to know both English (the minority language after 2045) and Spanish? They would blow a gasket.
Of course being their own country would only expose their crappy pseudo-French to the world.
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