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jusplay4fun wrote:Bottom line: this topic has been discussed LOTS before today and has been largely ignored in the past several months by most of us who read and post in this Forum.
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Deanos75 wrote:Hi
Interesting thread. It seems to me that when it comes to world environment, the people of the world are so concerned with treating symptoms and not actually addressing the REAL problem.
Climate change (excessive Co2)
Deforestation
Devastation of our oceans (fishing)
Pollution in all forms
Famines (caused by the need to farm marginal land simply because we need SO MUCH food for the planet)
We spend billions of hours, dollars and effort and no-one is prepared to address the actual problem...it all sheets back to one issue....over-population of our planet....8 billion+ people folks.
Just 100 years ago it was more like 2 Billion. Its a population explosion the planet cannot handle.
The biggest irony is COVID comes along and what do we do...spend trillions more reducing death rates to ensure the population remains overpopulated. We work very hard to make our problem worse.
Now im not saying i would not do the same...all lives are valuable. But it is so ironic is it not?
You can make your wind farms, increase aquaculture, start recycling and ban plastics of all shapes and sizes. Oh and before you know it its 10 billion, then 15...it will not solve anything. Its population folks!
Cheers
Dean
Who Is Thomas Malthus?
Thomas Robert Malthus was a famous 18th-century British economist known for the population growth philosophies outlined in his 1798 book "An Essay on the Principle of Population." In it, Malthus theorized that populations would continue expanding until growth is stopped or reversed by disease, famine, war, or calamity. He is also known for developing an exponential formula used to forecast population growth, which is currently known as the Malthusian growth model.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
Thomas Malthus was an 18th-century British philosopher and economist noted for the Malthusian growth model, an exponential formula used to project population growth.
The theory states that food production will not be able to keep up with growth in the human population, resulting in disease, famine, war, and calamity.
A noted statistician and proponent of political economy, Malthus founded the Statistical Society of London.
Understanding the Ideas of Thomas Malthus
In the 18th and early 19th centuries, philosophers broadly believed that humanity would continue growing and tilting toward utopianism. Malthus countered this belief, arguing that segments of the general population have always been invariably poor and miserable, which effectively slowed population growth.
After observing conditions in England in the early 1800s, Malthus penned "An Inquiry into the Nature and Progress of Rent" (1815) and "Principles of Political Economy" (1820), in which he argued that the available farmland was insufficient to feed the increasing world population. Malthus specifically stated that the human population increases geometrically, while food production increases arithmetically. Under this paradigm, humans would eventually be unable to produce enough food to sustain themselves.
This theory was criticized by economists and ultimately disproved. Even as the human population continues to increase, technological developments and migration have ensured that the percentage of people living below the poverty line continues to decline. In addition, global interconnectedness stimulates the flow of aid from food-rich nations to developing regions.
Re: One year ago, March 2020
Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:18 pm
To keep this relatively simple, (i.e., without me doing LOTS of research to document and validate my recollection):
Malthus, an British economist, predicted widespread famine and disease would keep populations low. That did not occur. Why?
1) better medicine and health care; fewer deaths, especially of children.
2) better food production, especially by use of machinery and fertilizers, especially chemical fertilizers.
As someone with a bit knowledgeable of Chemistry, let me assert that the ability to take nitrogen out of the atmosphere and convert to ammonia and other forms of nitrogen accessible to most green plants is the key advancement. I think the Haber process converts H2 and N2 into NH3 as the starting point for this chemical process. I know that this reaction is studied extensively as a chemical reaction, especially as a Reaction Rate and Equilibrium case study. (The conditions to shift the Equilibrium to the ammonia, NH3, side is something studied in intro Chem courses; see Le Chatelier's Principle; also, read about the Haber chemical reaction if you want the in-depth Chemistry.)
Also see:
https://www.ias.ac.in/public/Volumes/reso/016/12/1159-1167.pdf
As far as medical care, one of the most important things that has kept babies alive is to provide CLEAN drinking water. This began in the USA in New Jersey around 1905-1910; the exact year escapes me. A similar effort was going on in Britain about the same time. Use of chlorine bleach (in the form of hypochlorite) to treat drinking water (and kill harmful bacteria) cut the death rate of babies by some 90% within one year of the start of use of this water treatment, again based on my memory of reading on this topic. I may have a few facts and # off, but the narrative is essentially valid.
Later there has been the GREEN Revolution of the 1970s with better seeds. Rice I think was key crop improved at that time. Now we have GMO seeds (that is a bit controversial, I know).
Of course, better sanitation and simple things like doctors washing their hands made a huge difference in cutting death rates. Use of anti-biotics came along later.
I know that the population of the world over is growing. The Population increase in the developed world has essentially stopped (or slowed significantly). China had its ONE CHILD only policy now for some time (since the 1960s or so; not sure??) and that is having a huge impact there. And Russia had a decrease in life expectancy awhile back; I have not looked at those stats in a while. Africa and India, to me, are the key areas to look at. China is beginning relax its One Child policy, and with so many Chinese, that can have a HUGE impact.
So, there are many factors to consider. Yes, the earth PERHAPS is getting near its limit to sustain human population. The next huge limiting factor may soon be CLEAN water to drink and irrigate crops. The shrinking glaciers in the Himalayas may drastically cut fresh clean water to India and Pakistan. The Sahara Desert is spreading south and will limit crops and livestock in Central Africa. Those are most of the trends that I know about, based on what I read from several and varied sources. A this point, I will not raise the specter of the possible impacts of Global Warming on many of these interconnected issues, beyond this cursory statement.
I did research this portion, now that I essentially finished this essay:
In 1798 Thomas Robert Malthus famously predicted that short-term gains in living standards would inevitably be undermined as human population growth outstripped food production, and thereby drive living standards back toward subsistence. We were, he argued, condemned by the tendency of population to grow geometrically while food production would increase only arithmetically.
Certainly Malthus and his contemporaries had no idea that The PILL, the Haber Process, machinery, and better seeds (and much higher yields of crops) would radically change things, causing his projection of arithmetic growth of agricultural production to be fundamentally wrong. Birth Control Pills obviously change the population growth rates and thus render his projection of population growth to be fundamentally flawed.
Malthus' projection is why economics is often called (then) the DISMAL Science.
We may be approaching the upper limit of the total number of humans that this planet can support, but the Goalposts are NOT FIXED. Sciences (as well as technology and medicine) change the ability of human to cope with and handle the challenges of the future.
jusplay4fun wrote:I agree at some point we humans will reach the carrying capacity for our Planet. Where is that limit? Science and Technology keep pushing that UP.
The Earth was formed about 4.5 billion years ago and modern humans have existed for about 315,000 years. According to a study by the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), more than a third of Earth’s natural resources have been destroyed by humans in just thirty years.
Earth’s tipping points could be closer than we think. Our current plans won’t work
George Monbiot
If there’s one thing we know about climate breakdown, it’s that it will not be linear, smooth or gradual. Just as one continental plate might push beneath another in sudden fits and starts, causing periodic earthquakes and tsunamis, our atmospheric systems will absorb the stress for a while, then suddenly shift. Yet, everywhere, the programmes designed to avert it are linear, smooth and gradual.
Current plans to avoid catastrophe would work in a simple system like a washbasin, in which you can close the tap until the inflow is less than the outflow. But they are less likely to work in complex systems, such as the atmosphere, oceans and biosphere. Complex systems seek equilibrium. When they are pushed too far out of one equilibrium state, they can flip suddenly into another. A common property of complex systems is that it’s much easier to push them past a tipping point than to push them back. Once a transition has happened, it cannot realistically be reversed.
The old assumption that the Earth’s tipping points are a long way off is beginning to look unsafe. A recent paper warns that the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation – the system that distributes heat around the world and drives the Gulf Stream – may now be “close to a critical transition”. This circulation has flipped between “on” and “off” states several times in prehistory, plunging northern Europe and eastern North America into unbearable cold, heating the tropics, disrupting monsoons.
Other systems could also be approaching their thresholds: the West and East Antarctic ice sheets, the Amazon rainforest, and the Arctic tundra and boreal forests, which are rapidly losing the carbon they store, driving a spiral of further heating. Earth systems don’t stay in their boxes. If one flips into a different state, it could trigger the flipping of others. Sudden changes of state might be possible with just 1.5C or 2C of global heating.
A common sign that complex systems are approaching tipping points is rising volatility: they start to flicker. The extreme weather in 2021 – the heat domes, droughts, fires, floods and cyclones – is, frankly, terrifying. If Earth systems tip as a result of global heating, there will be little difference between taking inadequate action and taking no action at all. A miss is as good as a mile.
So the target that much of the world is now adopting for climate action – net zero by 2050 – begins to look neither rational nor safe. It’s true that our only hope of avoiding catastrophic climate breakdown is some variety of net zero. What this means is that greenhouse gases are reduced through a combination of decarbonising the economy and drawing down carbon dioxide that’s already in the atmosphere. It’s too late to hit the temperature targets in the Paris agreement without doing both. But there are two issues: speed and integrity. Many of the promises seem designed to be broken.
At its worst, net zero by 2050 is a device for shunting responsibility across both time and space. Those in power today seek to pass their liabilities to those in power tomorrow. Every industry seeks to pass the buck to another industry. Who is this magical someone else who will suck up their greenhouse gases?
My anger shows in the weather. I let my anger be known in ways humans have called other things such as climate change. They do this to push me off again and choose to ignore my warnings.
I warn, but many do not listen or take heed of my warning. The weather is a good example of my warning. Many things are happening in the weather that many ignore and call it something else to suit them.
There is more to come if people do not return to my laws and commands. The storms will worsen and become more and more dangerous.
There are mistakes made when I am taken out of the equation. Leaving God out will always mean disaster for whatever man does.
riskllama wrote:got it. so, thoughts & prayers then - should work just fine...
riskllama wrote:got it. so, thoughts & prayers then - should work just fine...
saxitoxin wrote:deaths among the unvaccinated are higher.
My power is shown in the strength and power of the weather here on earth. No one can match the strength of a storm. I the Lord create all even the storms that threaten and do damage. My force is like like no other in the universe. Come to me the one who creates such things. I am King and Lord of all the earth. Nothing compares to me in greatness or splendor. I am the Lord Almighty maker of Heaven and earth of all things glorious and wondrous. Everything is subjected under me - all control is mine.
- Jesus
I control the weather and all it does to the earth. My reign as King has not ended because of man’s ignorance of the power of God and all His forms. The winds obey me and the oceans too obey me but man refuses to obey me, even with warnings that I give man still refuses to obey me. My wrath will be unleashed if man does not recognize my power and strength to bring fear to those who disobey me and flaunt their evil ways to suit themselves and their agendas that are not mine.
- Jesus
I warn, but many do not listen or take heed of my warning. The weather is a good example of my warning. Many things are happening in the weather that many ignore and call it something else to suit them.
- Jesus
I warn, but many do not listen or take heed of my warning. Give away your gold and your guns, they will not help you enter my kingdom. Champion the preservation of the great forests I created for you and many of my other beautiful creations. Help preserve my carefully balanced ecosystem, turn away from those who claim I care about petty things like USA politics. I have created a world than can be paradise as long as you my people steward it with respect.
- Jesus
saxitoxin wrote:deaths among the unvaccinated are higher.
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