The BOOK Burnings have began...:(

[jusplay4fun]

Crime rates, based on 2019 FBI data:

Blacks commit murder at a much higher rate than whites, based on "Offences Charged". They also CHARGED with robbery at a greater NUMBER than whites. This is not true of ALL crime categories, but the stats are interesting and support my previous post.

The ratio of white to blacks based on "Offences Charged" = 69.4/26.6 = 2.609 (my calculation of some of the data)

[Dukasaur]

based on "Offences Charged".

... and there is the problem with your theory. "Offences Charged."

The police choose to enforce laws in minority communities while ignoring the same laws in majority communities.

Whites per capita use illegal drugs at a slightly higher rate than blacks or hispanics, and yet seven times as many blacks than whites are incarcerated for drug offenses.

[saxitoxin]

... and there is the problem with your theory. "Offences Charged."The police choose to enforce laws in minority communities while ignoring the same laws in majority communities.

ITT we learn Asian-Americans are secretly white.

-Offenses charged ... Asian ... 1.2%
-In 2018, Asian Americans comprised 5.4% of the U.S. population

We then learn that whites, for some reason, keep getting drunk and then driving straight at black neighborhoods and Indian reservations.

- Offenses charged ... Driving While Intoxicated ... White ... 82.2%
- 70% of the population identifying as white in the United States Census

Learning a lot today!

Whites per capita use illegal drugs at a slightly higher rate than blacks or hispanics, and yet seven times as many blacks than whites are incarcerated for drug offenses.

"The small sample size of this study and location within a single city are limitations that caution against the generalizability of findings."

[Dukasaur]

- Offenses charged ... Driving While Intoxicated ... White ... 82.2%

Not surprising that if there is going to be a statistical outlier which will buck the general trend, it will be in a category with relatively low levels of enforcement overall.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/tt392.pdf

Twenty percent of the public 16 and older had in the past year driven a motor vehicle within two hours of drinking alcohol.
About two-thirds of these, or 13% of the total population 16 and older had done so in the past 30 days

About 1% of the population 16 and older had been arrested for a drinking and driving violation in the past two years;

[jusplay4fun]

And you assume a bias against dark minorities, but not against Asian minorities.

And you offer no proof.

I bet the same rates hold for conviction and for actual crime, both of which are as speculative as your assertion, Duk.

based on "Offences Charged".

... and there is the problem with your theory. "Offences Charged."

The police choose to enforce laws in minority communities while ignoring the same laws in majority communities.

Whites per capita use illegal drugs at a slightly higher rate than blacks or hispanics, and yet seven times as many blacks than whites are incarcerated for drug offenses.

[jusplay4fun]

Drug use, Perhaps

Dukasaur wrote:
Whites per capita use illegal drugs at a slightly higher rate than blacks or hispanics, and yet seven times as many blacks than whites are incarcerated for drug offenses.

I would hypothesize that drug DEALING is done at a much higher proportion by:
1) low income folks, and
2) minorities.

There is a difference between illegal drug use (low arrest rates) versus illegal drug dealing (selling and transporting). Police go after dealers who do damage to many versus users, who harm themselves and their families and loved ones.

And, your underlying assumptions are:
1) most police are white; and
2) most are prejudice against minorities. I reject this assumption. Police of all colors go after criminals and not against minorities simply because they belong to a minority.

I served on a local grand jury and saw and heard some 150 preliminary cases Most were for what? Drug DEALING. I do not recall a single one for JUS drug use. I think there were a few possession charges, as an addition to other charges.

Until we recognize the ROLE of CRIME in these issues (police actions) we are not advancing the understanding of the problem.

What is a big concern of community leaders? Drugs and how they are tied to crime and violence. That is what many have asked the police to deal with, that and gun violence. And what leads to many acts of violence? I say drug deals, along with anger (such as domestic violence) or depression (Leading to suicide).

Whites per capita use illegal drugs at a slightly higher rate than blacks or hispanics, and yet seven times as many blacks than whites are incarcerated for drug offenses.

[/quote]

[jusplay4fun]

Leave it to saxitoxin to Cherry-pick the data for minor outliers.

That does not lead to a better understanding of the issues being discussed regarding crime.

... and there is the problem with your theory. "Offences Charged."The police choose to enforce laws in minority communities while ignoring the same laws in majority communities.

ITT we learn Asian-Americans are secretly white.

-Offenses charged ... Asian ... 1.2%
-In 2018, Asian Americans comprised 5.4% of the U.S. population

We then learn that whites, for some reason, keep getting drunk and then driving straight at black neighborhoods and Indian reservations.

- Offenses charged ... Driving While Intoxicated ... White ... 82.2%
- 70% of the population identifying as white in the United States Census

Learning a lot today!

Whites per capita use illegal drugs at a slightly higher rate than blacks or hispanics, and yet seven times as many blacks than whites are incarcerated for drug offenses.

"The small sample size of this study and location within a single city are limitations that caution against the generalizability of findings."

[saxitoxin]

ITT we learn Asian-Americans are secretly white.

-Offenses charged ... Asian ... 1.2%
-In 2018, Asian Americans comprised 5.4% of the U.S. population

Not surprising that if there is going to be a statistical outlier which will buck the general trend, it will be in a category with relatively low levels of enforcement overall.

I agree there are low levels of enforcement about being Asian. Nowadays, anyone can join a Risk message board and pretend to be a hot Chinese girl. Even bicurious men from England.

[Dukasaur]

And you offer no proof.

The article I posted contains tons of footnotes to scholarly papers. Anybody interested in examining the evidence is free to follow the links and read the papers cited.

But here's an even better article:
https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/un-report-on-racial-disparities/

Just for your convenience, I'm not just going to quote the relevant passages, but I will also reproduce the citations in the footnotes.

More than one in four people arrested for drug law violations in 2015 was black, although drug use rates do not differ substantially by race and ethnicity and drug users generally purchase drugs from people of the same race or ethnicity.

Footnote cites: FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Program. Crime in the United States 2015. Table 43A; Johnston, L. D., O’Malley, P. M., Bachman, J. G., & Schulenberg, J. E. (2012). Monitoring the Future: National Survey Results on Drug Use, 1975-2012. Ann Arbor, MI: The University of Michigan Institute for Social Research. (Tbls. 4-5, 4-6, and 4-7); Beckett, K., Nyrop, K., & Pfingst, L. (2006). Race, Drugs, and Policing: Understanding Disparities in Drug Delivery Arrests. Criminology, 44(1), 105–37 (pp. 16–7); Riley, K. J. (1997). Crack, Powder Cocaine, and Heroin: Drug Purchase and Use Patterns in Six Major U.S. Cities. National Institute of Justice. (pp. 15–16).

For example, the ACLU found that blacks were 3.7 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than whites in 2010, even though their rate of marijuana usage was comparable

Footnote cites: Edwards, E., Bunting, W., Garcia, L. (2013). The War on Marijuana in Black and White. New York, NY: American Civil Liberties Union.

In recent years, black drivers have been somewhat more likely to be stopped than whites but have been far more likely to be searched and arrested.21)

Footnote cites: U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, Police Behavior during Traffic and Street Stops, 2011, (Sept. 2013); The Stanford Open Policing Project.

Once pulled over, black and Hispanic drivers were three times as likely as whites to be searched (6% and 7% versus 2%) and blacks were twice as likely as whites to be arrested.23) These patterns hold even though police officers generally have a lower “contraband hit rate” when they search black versus white drivers.24)

Footnote cites: (for the first statement) Langton, L. & Durose, M. (2013). Police Behavior during Traffic and Street Stops, 2011. U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics; Eith, C. & Durose, M. R. (2011). Contacts Between Police and the Public, 2008. U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics. and for the second statement Harris, D. (2012). Hearing on “Ending Racial Profiling in America,” Testimony of David A. Harris. United States Senate Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Human Rights. (p. .

Blacks and Latinos are more likely than whites to be denied bail, to have a higher money bond set, and to be detained because they cannot pay their bond.30)

Footnote cites: Jones, C. E. (2013). “Give Us Free”: Addressing Racial Disparities in Bail Determinations. New York University Journal of Legislation and Public Policy, 16(4), 919–62.

Prosecutors are more likely to charge people of color with crimes that carry heavier sentences than whites. Federal prosecutors, for example, are twice as likely to charge African Americans with offenses that carry a mandatory minimum sentence than similarly situated whites.38)

Footnote cites: Starr, S. B. & Rehavi, M. M. (2013). Mandatory Sentencing and Racial Disparity: Assessing the Role of Prosecutors and the Effects of. The Yale Law Journal, 123(2), 2-80.


None of those citations are to any fly-by-night media outlets or wide-eyed radical publication. You have university law school publications, official stats from the FBI and bureau of justice statistics, hearing in front of the U.S. Senate, etc.

[jusplay4fun]

so the article you cited was in response to Saxi and not to me, it seems.

I will have to wait to examine THAT citation.

[The ram]

based on "Offences Charged".

... and there is the problem with your theory. "Offences Charged."

The police choose to enforce laws in minority communities while ignoring the same laws in majority communities.

Whites per capita use illegal drugs at a slightly higher rate than blacks or hispanics, and yet seven times as many blacks than whites are incarcerated for drug offenses.

Well anyone with an ounce of common sense ( which incidentally rules you out) realises that the police try to arrest the dealers, not the users. Do you need help wiping your arse?

[jusplay4fun]

Let me respond to one of Duk's points:

For example, the ACLU found that blacks were 3.7 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than whites in 2010, even though their rate of marijuana usage was comparable

Often the possession charge is added after an arrest for another, more serious charge. This is my assessment in talking to a few police officers I know. They are NOT arrested for mere possession. They often are dealing cocaine or meth or heroin (or fentanyl) and using marijuana personally, not the drugs they deal. Or they are arrested for robbery or murder (or another crime) and then charged with all relevant crimes, including possession of marijuana.

[jusplay4fun]

Here is one study that addresses police shooting of black suspects:

This study found race matters in police shootings, but the results may surprise you

https://nursing.wsu.edu/2016/04/27/study-found-race-matters-police-shootings-results-may-surprise

Originally Published by Tom Jackman on April 27, 2016 in the Washington Post

The conventional thinking about police-involved shootings, and some scientific research, has been that black suspects are more likely to be shot than white suspects because of an implicit racial bias among police officers. But now a new study has found exactly the opposite: even with white officers who do have racial biases, officers are three times less likely to shoot unarmed black suspects than unarmed white suspects.

The results come from a laboratory project at Washington State University using highly realistic police simulators, in which actors in various scenarios approach and respond to officers on large, high-definition video screens in an attempt to recreate critical situations on the street. The officers are equipped with real guns, modified to fire infrared beams rather than bullets, and the scenarios can branch into conflict or cooperation, depending on the officers’ words and actions.

There is LOTS here, but I will skip to this portion:

It’s a complex subject, dating back to a 1974 study which concluded that “the police have one trigger finger for whites and another for blacks.” A 1978 report found that 60 percent of black suspects shot by the police carried handguns, compared with 35 percent of white suspects. In 2001, a statistical study showed that black people comprised 12 percent of the population but committed 43 percent of the killings of officers.

But there has also been a contrary narrative, that officers are hesitant to fire at black suspects, starting with a 1977 analysis of reports from major metropolitan departments which found officers fired more shots at white suspects than at black suspects, possibly because of “public sentiment concerning treatment of blacks.” And in 2004, David Klinger at the University of Missouri-St. Louis interviewed more than 100 officers and found “evidence of increased wariness about using deadly force against black suspects for fear of how it would be perceived and the associated consequences.”

Into this conflict of views enters Lois James at Washington State, who has made studying the race factor in police shootings a specialty. For the most part, simply using data from police reports doesn’t include the episodes where an officer doesn’t shoot or doesn’t hit a target. So she has turned to the lab to try to simulate the circumstances officers face on the job, keeping all the factors identical within a scenario — type of weapon, body language and spoken threats, clothes, surroundings — except the race of the suspect.

[jusplay4fun]

Another study that essentially supports my points:

Date Published:
2016
Abstract:
This paper explores racial differences in police use of force. On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities. On the most extreme use of force –officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account. We argue that the patterns in the data are consistent with a model in which police officers are utility maximizers, a fraction of which have a preference for discrimination, who incur relatively high expected costs of officer-involved shootings.

Last updated on 06/03/2019

https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force

also:

Roland Gerhard Fryer Jr. (born June 4, 1977) is an American economist. In 2007, at age 30, he became the youngest African-American to be given tenure at Harvard.[1]

SKIP to........

In 2016, Fryer published a working paper concluding that although minorities (African Americans and Hispanics) are more likely to experience police use of force than whites, they were not more likely to be shot by police than whites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_G._Fryer_Jr.#:~:text=In%202016%2C%20Fryer%20published%20a,shot%20by%20police%20than%20whites.&text=In%202019%2C%20Fryer's%20paper%20was,the%20Journal%20of%20Political%20Economy.