Justice - 19 felony indictments in Georgia

[GaryDenton]

Georgia indicts Trump and 18 others for conspiracy to overthrow election.

Former President Donald Trump orchestrated a sweeping criminal enterprise, committing more than a dozen felonies, as he tried and failed to overturn his defeat in Georgia’s 2020 election, according to an indictment handed up Monday by a Fulton County grand jury.

The indictment also lodged charges against 18 of Trump’s allies, who helped him spread false conspiracy theories and twist the arms of top state officials as he scrambled to cling to power.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/trump-18-others-indicted-for-trying-to-overthrow-2020-georgia-election/PQ3N2YBIDRDJFLJGFLEBZUWM6I/

The blockbuster 41-count, 98-page indictment said Trump and his co-defendants refused to accept the fact that Trump lost in Georgia. But “they knowingly and willfully joined a conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump. That conspiracy contained a common plan and purpose.”

[saxitoxin]

Meh.

Good luck enforcing it after Trump is reelected and the Space Force calls in a kinetic bombardment on the Fulton County Courthouse.

[riskllama]

Meh.

Good luck enforcing it after Trump is reelected and the Space Force calls in a kinetic bombardment on the Fulton County Courthouse.

lol, I dunno...sounds pretty damning, from what I've heard...

[saxitoxin]

Meh.

Good luck enforcing it after Trump is reelected and the Space Force calls in a kinetic bombardment on the Fulton County Courthouse.

lol, I dunno...sounds pretty damning, from what I've heard...

Naw. In a quartet of weak cases this is the weakest. Here's one specific gem ...



This will be dismissed before January sans trial. We control the Georgia Supreme Court but, even if we didn't, this would be a slam dunk dismissal. The Rats are squeezing their base with false hope to extort donations, just like they did when they sold them on the Mueller inquiry landing Trump in jail.

[GaryDenton]

If we allow a former president to completely avoid accountability for inciting an insurrection, we will be inviting it to happen all over again. Prosecuting Trump isn’t an act of partisanship, it’s a defense of our democracy.

Were you not a crazy determined sore loser enough to commit felonies for Trump?

Two days after the election in 2020 results were clearly showing Trump had lost. But the Trump team began visiting key states to persuade election officials they had to get behind Trump 100% and insist he hadn't lost. That the election must have been stolen.

This is really behind the indictment. That even after their own investigations showed Trump had lost, after all the recounts and ultimately over 60 court cases proved he had lost, his team insisted real Republicans must insist he had won, that the election had been stolen, and that there was some way Trump must be the winner, even if that was untrue.

Here is what the Trump team did in Georgia and when it crossed over into felony crimes.

This is the gang of crazy determined sore losers who broke the laws.

https://www.facebook.com/EasterLemming/posts/pfbid0EJ1RdQzYbbHtT8Lu3E4xtgiZatx7u2X6RRpjtLc6mDzjPeiQMQ3cDNR2Lz7dikajl

[saxitoxin]

LOL check out the indictment of Mark Meadows!

On or about the 21st day of November 2020, MARK RANDALL MEADOWS sent a text message to United States Representative Scott Perry from Pennsylvania and stated, “Can you send me the number for the speaker and the leader of PA Legislature.” This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.

Meadows is probably ROFLing this morning.

Fannie will be lucky if SCOGA doesn't disbar her after this. She gonna join Mike Nifong in the onetime Democrat hero DA cum disbarred and bankrupt ex lawyer hall of fame.

[saxitoxin]

Meanwhile, in the RUSSIA IS ISOLATED! series, 800 delegates from 76 countries are convening this morning at the annual Moscow Security Conferemce, a high level military and intel cooperation forum.

I wonder what will happen when the Rats finally realize their leaders have been deceiving them? Gonna be a mess.

[GaryDenton]

[GaryDenton]

The indictment laid out eight ways the 'Trump criminal enterprise' obstructed the election:

By lying to the Georgia state legislature
By lying to state officials
By creating fake pro-Trump electors
By harassing election workers
By soliciting Justice Dept. officials
By soliciting VP Pence
By breaching voting machines and by engaging in a cover-up.

We know Cruz and other senators and representatives conspired with Trump to overturn the election in DC. Should they seek plea deals now?

[saxitoxin]

The indictment laid out eight ways the 'Trump criminal enterprise' obstructed the election:

By lying to the Georgia state legislature
By lying to state officials
By creating fake pro-Trump electors
By harassing election workers
By soliciting Justice Dept. officials
By soliciting VP Pence
By breaching voting machines and by engaging in a cover-up.

We know Cruz and other senators and representatives conspired with Trump to overturn the election in DC. Should they seek plea deals now?

Trial Judge: former Republican prosecutor
Supreme Court of Georgia: 8 of 9 justices appointed by Republican governors

This is our world. You're living in it.

Just treading water until January 2025 when the roundups and mass arrests can commence.

[mookiemcgee]

The indictment laid out eight ways the 'Trump criminal enterprise' obstructed the election:

By lying to the Georgia state legislature
By lying to state officials
By creating fake pro-Trump electors
By harassing election workers
By soliciting Justice Dept. officials
By soliciting VP Pence
By breaching voting machines and by engaging in a cover-up.

We know Cruz and other senators and representatives conspired with Trump to overturn the election in DC. Should they seek plea deals now?

Trial Judge: former Republican prosecutor
Supreme Court of Georgia: 8 of 9 justices appointed by Republican governors

This is our world. You're living in it.

Just treading water until January 2025 when the roundups and mass arrests can commence.

So you think a GA jury is gonna convict and then it gets overturned? I'm still not convinced a jury anywhere (but maybe DC) won't end in misstrail/hung jury

[GaryDenton]

Trial Judge: former Republican prosecutor
Supreme Court of Georgia: 8 of 9 justices appointed by Republican governors

This is what you are hanging your hopes on?

I am pretty sure 95%+ of the people testifying against Trump are Republicans.

Partisan blindness can go only so far.

Hell, the Texas GOP House indicted the great anti-Biden crusader Paxton who is almost as corrupt as Trump. However, the odds of conviction in the Texas Senate are probably only 50/50 as the ultra-conservative billionaire donors are, no lie, passing out million-dollar donations like candy.

[GaryDenton]

Why expect loyalty to a crook who will stiff you and hang you out to dry?

Several of former President Donald Trump’s allies, including Rudy Giuliani, who are now facing criminal charges for helping him try to overturn the results of the 2020 election were never paid by the Trump political operation for work they did in late 2020.
The failure to pay Giuliani and his team came up last week in a private interview between special counsel Jack Smith’s team and Bernard Kerik, a Giuliani associate, according to an attorney for Kerik.
Trump and his allies raised $250 million off false claims that were peddled nationwide by people including Giuliani and Kerik, the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riot said.
That money is now helping Trump pay a small army of lawyers defending him against criminal charges.
He is not spreading that legal defense money around.

Trump has a long history of not paying his bills. But the revelation that he likely stiffed Giuliani, a longtime friend, is all the more striking given that much of the work Giuliani did for the Trump operation is detailed in a sprawling RICO indictment in Georgia released Monday, in which Giuliani is a co-defendant alongside Trump and 17 other people.

[GaryDenton]

This seems aimed at Saxi and the college dropouts he parrots.

The right’s most ignorant and dishonest partisans are trying to delegitimize the new Georgia charges against former President Donald Trump over his 2020 election subversion plot by claiming that the indictment from Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis shows that, in the words of Turning Point USA’s Charlie Kirk, “watching cable TV and tweeting can now get you indicted.” This argument is nonsense: Prosecutors seeking to establish a conspiracy to further a criminal scheme use indictments to lay out the individual steps alleged participants undertook, many of which may not be themselves illegal, as the legal writer Julian Sanchez explained.
But this brand of dumb-or-lying blather inadvertently highlights a critical point: Trump’s obsessive consumption of right-wing media's lies and conspiracy theories about purported election fraud played an essential role in the effort to overturn the presidential election that ultimately triggered his indictment.
Trump sent at least 76 tweets hyping right-wing TV programming about supposed election fraud in the weeks between Election Day and the January 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol that he helped spur. His live-tweets from that period promoted incendiary and patently ridiculous conspiracy theories, including that Joe Biden benefited from “millions of Fake Votes”; that voting machines had deleted “2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES” and “shifted 2-3% of Trump Votes to Biden”; and that the U.S. Postal Service had been “tampering with hundreds of thousands of ballots.”

The then-president used that steady stream of “bullshit” from his TV allies to keep his supporters agitated and infuriated about the supposedly “rigged” election — including in Georgia.

[saxitoxin]

The indictment laid out eight ways the 'Trump criminal enterprise' obstructed the election:

By lying to the Georgia state legislature
By lying to state officials
By creating fake pro-Trump electors
By harassing election workers
By soliciting Justice Dept. officials
By soliciting VP Pence
By breaching voting machines and by engaging in a cover-up.

We know Cruz and other senators and representatives conspired with Trump to overturn the election in DC. Should they seek plea deals now?

Trial Judge: former Republican prosecutor
Supreme Court of Georgia: 8 of 9 justices appointed by Republican governors

This is our world. You're living in it.

Just treading water until January 2025 when the roundups and mass arrests can commence.

So you think a GA jury is gonna convict and then it gets overturned? I'm still not convinced a jury anywhere (but maybe DC) won't end in misstrail/hung jury

A jury will never be seated.

The defendants will try to move this to federal court (Meadows already filed a motion this morning). The case is unsustainable in federal court because the federal RICO statute is much more limiting. The whole thing falls apart.

They already know this. The ultimate goal is to just force Trump to burn through money on lawyers to given Biden a leg-up in his reelection campaign.

[ConfederateSS]

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[GaryDenton]

I was blasted for having minority opinions here in this forum and nationally .

A reminder - Trump lost the vote by how many millions each time?

And here is the polling even before the popular Georgia indictments - "The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, which was conducted before Monday’s charges in the Georgia case, also shows that about half of Americans — 53% — approve of the Justice Department indicting Trump over his efforts to remain in office after losing the 2020 election.
The poll finds 85% of Democrats approve of the criminal charges brought Aug. 2 by Special Counsel Jack Smith, compared with 47% of independents and just 16% of Republicans. Overall, 3 in 10 Americans disapprove."

[mookiemcgee]

[saxitoxin]

What'd the GJs think was gonna happen?

This is a battle for world peace and the end of war against evil corporate warmongers. The warmongers aren't gonna protect you after you've done their dirty work.

It's too bad these 23 simpletons were used and discarded like that but it's ultimately the fault of the warmongers, not Trump.

[mookiemcgee]

The warmongers aren't gonna protect you after you've done their dirty work.

Cus Trump has done a great job protecting his allies from becoming collateral damage

[saxitoxin]

The warmongers aren't gonna protect you after you've done their dirty work.

Cus Trump has done a great job protecting his allies from becoming collateral damage

He's paying everyone's legal bills.

(Except Jenna Ellis.)

[GaryDenton]

He is not paying everyone's legal bills.

Rudi was just in to see Trump pleading for him to give the money he promised and to pay his legal bills.

I know conservatives are trapped in an information bubble, but JC, this is common reported knowledge.

Trump is a grifter and tries to never pay bills and there have been lawsuits over this already.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/16/politics/giuliani-trump-legal-bills/index.html

That is like I am here regarded as holding the minority view but that is not what the polls show.

Quinnipiac University Poll

Should Trump be prosecuted for allegedly attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election!

Yes 54%
No 42%

August 10-14, 1,818 adults

[saxitoxin]

Gary thinks everything that isn't The Palmer Report is right wing disinformation. His brain has been melted into goo from three years of Rat conspiracy theories.

In each post he drools hate, avarice, misinformation and wild conspiracy theories.

On Monday, Save America PAC reported in its latest disclosure report to the Federal Election Commission more than $21.6 million in legal spending to defend Trump, his advisers and others in the first half of 2023.

The Save America PAC has, in the past, reported taking in tens of millions of dollars and has helped cover legal bills for either Trump or his allies.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-t ... =101856623

[mookiemcgee]

Donald Trump runs Save america PAC? That doesn't seem ethical... or do you mean, a PAC that supports Donald also pays other peoples legal bills cus even though trump could afford to he'd rather not spend his own money. Instead he will take $100 from each of his cult members

[saxitoxin]

The same poll Gary just cited also has Trump v Biden in a statistical tie!

https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/u ... usos65.pdf

We don't care if people think he should be prosecuted, as long as they still vote for him. We only need to win one election and then we can build a new world of peace and love, and end the avarice and militarism of the uniparty.