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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Mon May 26, 2014 10:06 am

I couldn t watch the game as I had a restaurant party with a few friends that were in Paris just for the week end. I was checking the result during the dinner on my phone and quite happy to see what was going on. When we finished, i checked the phone again and saw that 1-1. We the headed to a bar where we watched the overtime. The bar was full of these pittyfull guys seeing themselves as hardcore real madrid fans when they probably have never seen a real madrid game in real life or that are unable to tell me who santillana or juanito are.
Anyway, these drunk french guys were a joke with their real madrid jerseys and their fail attemps to follow the songs from the true real madrid fans on TV.
Their true moment of pride. They decided to suck on winners, and after 10 years of ridiculosity in europe, they saw "their" club win again. But how long had they been real madrid fans? Just lol at these guys.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby DiM on Mon May 26, 2014 10:17 am

betiko wrote:But how long had they been real madrid fans? Just lol at these guys.



as opposed to you, who when born, already had a 50 year history of supporting psg (or whatever club you support). and your first words were not mama/dada, they were chants for psg.

seriously, what's your problem with that type of fans? some people only occasional follow football and sympathise with a certain team. they don't have to know that team's history or even the current players to enjoy a game every once in a while.
there are all sorts of fans ranging from simple sympathizers to hardcore ones and in my opinion all should be treated equally.

the only "fans" that should be mocked are the ones that every season change their favourite team (generally picking the one who wins), and the ones that that merely started supporting a team but claim to be hardcore when they obviously aren't. as long as their interest (small or large) is honest, they should not be laughed at.

edit// real madrid fans watching the final on santiago bernabeu. reaction to the equalizer:
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Re: Football (real)

Postby sempaispellcheck on Mon May 26, 2014 10:55 am

As much as I don't like Real Madrid, I will agree with those who say they deserved that title.
I didn't (want to) watch the match, but from the reports I've heard, the way they dominated towards the end of regulation and in extra time, they truly were the better side.

Ronaldo's celebration was way over the top, but you can't really hold that against the team - that one gets filed in the "Ronaldo is an arrogant ass" category.

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Re: Football (real)

Postby iAmCaffeine on Mon May 26, 2014 1:03 pm

sempaispellcheck wrote:As much as I don't like Real Madrid, I will agree with those who say they deserved that title.
I didn't (want to) watch the match, but from the reports I've heard, the way they dominated towards the end of regulation and in extra time, they truly were the better side.

Ronaldo's celebration was way over the top, but you can't really hold that against the team - that one gets filed in the "Ronaldo is an arrogant ass" category.

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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Mon May 26, 2014 2:06 pm

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betiko wrote:But how long had they been real madrid fans? Just lol at these guys.



as opposed to you, who when born, already had a 50 year history of supporting psg (or whatever club you support). and your first words were not mama/dada, they were chants for psg.

seriously, what's your problem with that type of fans? some people only occasional follow football and sympathise with a certain team. they don't have to know that team's history or even the current players to enjoy a game every once in a while.
there are all sorts of fans ranging from simple sympathizers to hardcore ones and in my opinion all should be treated equally.

the only "fans" that should be mocked are the ones that every season change their favourite team (generally picking the one who wins), and the ones that that merely started supporting a team but claim to be hardcore when they obviously aren't. as long as their interest (small or large) is honest, they should not be laughed at.

edit// real madrid fans watching the final on santiago bernabeu. reaction to the equalizer:


This is exactly what I'm saying DIM. This bunch of idiots probably bought a real madrid jerzey 2 years ago because they liked one of the new players, and before that they were fan of another team and so on. Real madrid fans are generally the archetype of that.

And for the record: I'm an Olympique de Marseille fan + Real Betis fan. I do support any french club playing in Europe unless they are facing the Betis. Even if the PSG is our biggest rival domestically, I'd rather see them do well in europe; also french clubs have always done terrible in european cups even if they were the ones to invent them in the first place.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Tue May 27, 2014 5:09 am

I can tell you from my professional experience, in sport journalism/media, that Barca and RM fans are the worst ever. It used to be Brazil's fans in 1990s back when the National Teams football was the main event and Brazil dominated during that period of time. I think it's better to see the club thing taking over though.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Tue May 27, 2014 7:05 am

Pirlo wrote:I can tell you from my professional experience, in sport journalism/media, that Barca and RM fans are the worst ever. It used to be Brazil's fans in 1990s back when the National Teams football was the main event and Brazil dominated during that period of time. I think it's better to see the club thing taking over though.


in terms of winner suckers you mean? yeah RM and barça fans are pretty much the same thing in that area. It's just ridiculous how in spain the whole media attention is just about them and they don't let anyone else exist.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Tue May 27, 2014 1:30 pm

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Pirlo wrote:I can tell you from my professional experience, in sport journalism/media, that Barca and RM fans are the worst ever. It used to be Brazil's fans in 1990s back when the National Teams football was the main event and Brazil dominated during that period of time. I think it's better to see the club thing taking over though.


in terms of winner suckers you mean? yeah RM and barça fans are pretty much the same thing in that area. It's just ridiculous how in spain the whole media attention is just about them and they don't let anyone else exist.


sadly, not only in Spain... it's kinda a requirement if you want to survive in the media business. You are forced to provide according to the demand. in other words, reports, news and articles about Real and Barca get way more attention and views than any other thing.

When a silly report about Messi or Ronaldo brings you 85558078678678567857608769568 page views in your website comparing to a great report about anybody else brings you like 3K page views, it's normal to hear your boss bitching and demanding you to focus on those couple of whores and forget the rest, because that what brings you advertisements. sponsors and money that keeps your business running.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby DiM on Tue May 27, 2014 1:48 pm

it's all about supply and demand. and i'm not talking just about sport press, i'm talking about everything from tv shows to movies, music, books etc.

of course, since the the demand is made by the average joe, who's pretty dumb, this means most of the supply will be pretty dumb too, so that joe will like it. so if you want your book, movie, newspaper, etc. to be successful then you'll have to follow the supply/demand guidelines otherwise you'll either go bankrupt or barely make a living.

to be honest i'm pretty pissed when i see today's music/movies/books but on the other hand i do understand that the authors just want to make lots of money so their choice is normal (from an economy-wise point of view).

yeah, it's easy to say "if i'd be a journalist, i'd write quality articles about sports that really matter not about the same crap everybody does" and i've actually seen some newspapers try to do this in my country but sooner or later they either died cause they had very few people following them, or eventually gave up the serious stuff and tried to "prostitute" themselves like the others only to lose the few fans they had and go bankrupt cause they couldn't compete with the bigger newspapers that had been "prostituting" themselves for a long time.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Tue May 27, 2014 4:36 pm

Well I wouldn't agree. If you compare the biggest sports press in other countries, l'équipe, gazzetta dello sport.. They aren t as trash as marca. Any TV progam debating about football in spain is 90% about madrid and barcelona. You will have a phrase or two about other clubs.
They will speak about cristiano's new tattoo in priority even if this mid table club just changed head coach the very same day.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby nietzsche on Tue May 27, 2014 5:12 pm

betiko wrote:Well I wouldn't agree. If you compare the biggest sports press in other countries, l'équipe, gazzetta dello sport.. They aren t as trash as marca. Any TV progam debating about football in spain is 90% about madrid and barcelona. You will have a phrase or two about other clubs.
They will speak about cristiano's new tattoo in priority even if this mid table club just changed head coach the very same day.


OMG did he get a new tattoo???
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Gillipig on Tue May 27, 2014 5:19 pm

Pirlo wrote:
betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:I can tell you from my professional experience, in sport journalism/media, that Barca and RM fans are the worst ever. It used to be Brazil's fans in 1990s back when the National Teams football was the main event and Brazil dominated during that period of time. I think it's better to see the club thing taking over though.


in terms of winner suckers you mean? yeah RM and barça fans are pretty much the same thing in that area. It's just ridiculous how in spain the whole media attention is just about them and they don't let anyone else exist.


sadly, not only in Spain... it's kinda a requirement if you want to survive in the media business. You are forced to provide according to the demand. in other words, reports, news and articles about Real and Barca get way more attention and views than any other thing.

When a silly report about Messi or Ronaldo brings you 85558078678678567857608769568 page views in your website comparing to a great report about anybody else brings you like 3K page views, it's normal to hear your boss bitching and demanding you to focus on those couple of whores and forget the rest, because that what brings you advertisements. sponsors and money that keeps your business running.

So, should we blame ourselves for wanting to read nonsene, or blame the system currently in use for allowing us to read nonsense?
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Re: Football (real)

Postby nietzsche on Tue May 27, 2014 5:33 pm

Gillipig wrote:
Pirlo wrote:
betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:I can tell you from my professional experience, in sport journalism/media, that Barca and RM fans are the worst ever. It used to be Brazil's fans in 1990s back when the National Teams football was the main event and Brazil dominated during that period of time. I think it's better to see the club thing taking over though.


in terms of winner suckers you mean? yeah RM and barça fans are pretty much the same thing in that area. It's just ridiculous how in spain the whole media attention is just about them and they don't let anyone else exist.


sadly, not only in Spain... it's kinda a requirement if you want to survive in the media business. You are forced to provide according to the demand. in other words, reports, news and articles about Real and Barca get way more attention and views than any other thing.

When a silly report about Messi or Ronaldo brings you 85558078678678567857608769568 page views in your website comparing to a great report about anybody else brings you like 3K page views, it's normal to hear your boss bitching and demanding you to focus on those couple of whores and forget the rest, because that what brings you advertisements. sponsors and money that keeps your business running.

So, should we blame ourselves for wanting to read nonsene, or blame the system currently in use for allowing us to read nonsense?
Bonus question; Is it easier to change human nature than it is to change human culture?


The simple concept of human nature includes the idea that there are things that can't be changed about ourselves. If, you were to reduce the your concept of human nature to a insignificant pea-sized idea, you would be able to change more things about yourself.

But that doesn't belong in this thread.

In Mexico all the teams suck equally. THey are mediocre. Any team can be champion. Let me tell you that it sucks. I watch European football instead, and watch quality plays and technique and amazing goals and players with the will to overcome anything, even if that same ego makes them provoke a penalty kick in the 119 minute in order to score and show their bare torso.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Tue May 27, 2014 5:46 pm

Gillipig wrote:
Pirlo wrote:
betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:I can tell you from my professional experience, in sport journalism/media, that Barca and RM fans are the worst ever. It used to be Brazil's fans in 1990s back when the National Teams football was the main event and Brazil dominated during that period of time. I think it's better to see the club thing taking over though.


in terms of winner suckers you mean? yeah RM and barça fans are pretty much the same thing in that area. It's just ridiculous how in spain the whole media attention is just about them and they don't let anyone else exist.


sadly, not only in Spain... it's kinda a requirement if you want to survive in the media business. You are forced to provide according to the demand. in other words, reports, news and articles about Real and Barca get way more attention and views than any other thing.

When a silly report about Messi or Ronaldo brings you 85558078678678567857608769568 page views in your website comparing to a great report about anybody else brings you like 3K page views, it's normal to hear your boss bitching and demanding you to focus on those couple of whores and forget the rest, because that what brings you advertisements. sponsors and money that keeps your business running.

So, should we blame ourselves for wanting to read nonsene, or blame the system currently in use for allowing us to read nonsense?
Bonus question; Is it easier to change human nature than it is to change human culture?


some people are too stupid to understand the nature of a topic. They pop up and bitch about us because they think we are bitching about something, while we are in fact discussing the reasons why some fans are arrogant and annoying.

So let's simplify it for the those too stupid to hopefully help them understand:

In football industry, your best clients are the teenagers because they have plenty of time in hand so they could spend hours a day browsing your website and making your wealth as a media owner.

Those kids are just arrogant and annoying when their teams are so dominant and superior.. It's the closest thing to spoiled brats whose parents (teams) are giving delivering them whatever they want!

But if you think we are discussing a social matter about changing this, then I believe you need to change!
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Gillipig on Tue May 27, 2014 5:51 pm

nietzsche wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Pirlo wrote:
betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:I can tell you from my professional experience, in sport journalism/media, that Barca and RM fans are the worst ever. It used to be Brazil's fans in 1990s back when the National Teams football was the main event and Brazil dominated during that period of time. I think it's better to see the club thing taking over though.


in terms of winner suckers you mean? yeah RM and barça fans are pretty much the same thing in that area. It's just ridiculous how in spain the whole media attention is just about them and they don't let anyone else exist.


sadly, not only in Spain... it's kinda a requirement if you want to survive in the media business. You are forced to provide according to the demand. in other words, reports, news and articles about Real and Barca get way more attention and views than any other thing.

When a silly report about Messi or Ronaldo brings you 85558078678678567857608769568 page views in your website comparing to a great report about anybody else brings you like 3K page views, it's normal to hear your boss bitching and demanding you to focus on those couple of whores and forget the rest, because that what brings you advertisements. sponsors and money that keeps your business running.

So, should we blame ourselves for wanting to read nonsene, or blame the system currently in use for allowing us to read nonsense?
Bonus question; Is it easier to change human nature than it is to change human culture?


The simple concept of human nature includes the idea that there are things that can't be changed about ourselves. If, you were to reduce the your concept of human nature to a insignificant pea-sized idea, you would be able to change more things about yourself.

But that doesn't belong in this thread.

In Mexico all the teams suck equally. THey are mediocre. Any team can be champion. Let me tell you that it sucks. I watch European football instead, and watch quality plays and technique and amazing goals and players with the will to overcome anything, even if that same ego makes them provoke a penalty kick in the 119 minute in order to score and show their bare torso.

With other words we should blame ourselves and not try to change the system, instead we should try to change something about ourselves that we really can't change.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby nietzsche on Tue May 27, 2014 5:59 pm

Gillipig wrote:
nietzsche wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Pirlo wrote:
betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:I can tell you from my professional experience, in sport journalism/media, that Barca and RM fans are the worst ever. It used to be Brazil's fans in 1990s back when the National Teams football was the main event and Brazil dominated during that period of time. I think it's better to see the club thing taking over though.


in terms of winner suckers you mean? yeah RM and barça fans are pretty much the same thing in that area. It's just ridiculous how in spain the whole media attention is just about them and they don't let anyone else exist.


sadly, not only in Spain... it's kinda a requirement if you want to survive in the media business. You are forced to provide according to the demand. in other words, reports, news and articles about Real and Barca get way more attention and views than any other thing.

When a silly report about Messi or Ronaldo brings you 85558078678678567857608769568 page views in your website comparing to a great report about anybody else brings you like 3K page views, it's normal to hear your boss bitching and demanding you to focus on those couple of whores and forget the rest, because that what brings you advertisements. sponsors and money that keeps your business running.

So, should we blame ourselves for wanting to read nonsene, or blame the system currently in use for allowing us to read nonsense?
Bonus question; Is it easier to change human nature than it is to change human culture?


The simple concept of human nature includes the idea that there are things that can't be changed about ourselves. If, you were to reduce the your concept of human nature to a insignificant pea-sized idea, you would be able to change more things about yourself.

But that doesn't belong in this thread.

In Mexico all the teams suck equally. THey are mediocre. Any team can be champion. Let me tell you that it sucks. I watch European football instead, and watch quality plays and technique and amazing goals and players with the will to overcome anything, even if that same ego makes them provoke a penalty kick in the 119 minute in order to score and show their bare torso.

With other words we should blame ourselves and not try to change the system, instead we should try to change something about ourselves that we really can't change.
I hear you but I think I'll pass. Thanks for suggesting it though.


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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Tue May 27, 2014 6:02 pm

cause sweden already got eliminated and all.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Tue May 27, 2014 6:04 pm

Pirlo wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Pirlo wrote:
betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:I can tell you from my professional experience, in sport journalism/media, that Barca and RM fans are the worst ever. It used to be Brazil's fans in 1990s back when the National Teams football was the main event and Brazil dominated during that period of time. I think it's better to see the club thing taking over though.


in terms of winner suckers you mean? yeah RM and barça fans are pretty much the same thing in that area. It's just ridiculous how in spain the whole media attention is just about them and they don't let anyone else exist.


sadly, not only in Spain... it's kinda a requirement if you want to survive in the media business. You are forced to provide according to the demand. in other words, reports, news and articles about Real and Barca get way more attention and views than any other thing.

When a silly report about Messi or Ronaldo brings you 85558078678678567857608769568 page views in your website comparing to a great report about anybody else brings you like 3K page views, it's normal to hear your boss bitching and demanding you to focus on those couple of whores and forget the rest, because that what brings you advertisements. sponsors and money that keeps your business running.

So, should we blame ourselves for wanting to read nonsene, or blame the system currently in use for allowing us to read nonsense?
Bonus question; Is it easier to change human nature than it is to change human culture?


some people are too stupid to understand the nature of a topic. They pop up and bitch about us because they think we are bitching about something, while we are in fact discussing the reasons why some fans are arrogant and annoying.

So let's simplify it for the those too stupid to hopefully help them understand:

In football industry, your best clients are the teenagers because they have plenty of time in hand so they could spend hours a day browsing your website and making your wealth as a media owner.

Those kids are just arrogant and annoying when their teams are so dominant and superior.. It's the closest thing to spoiled brats whose parents (teams) are giving delivering them whatever they want!

But if you think we are discussing a social matter about changing this, then I believe you need to change!


that's the target audience of your website. more page views doesn't mean more revenue; higher profile of readers can make you sell at higher CPM rates.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Tue May 27, 2014 6:26 pm

betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
Pirlo wrote:
betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:I can tell you from my professional experience, in sport journalism/media, that Barca and RM fans are the worst ever. It used to be Brazil's fans in 1990s back when the National Teams football was the main event and Brazil dominated during that period of time. I think it's better to see the club thing taking over though.


in terms of winner suckers you mean? yeah RM and barça fans are pretty much the same thing in that area. It's just ridiculous how in spain the whole media attention is just about them and they don't let anyone else exist.


sadly, not only in Spain... it's kinda a requirement if you want to survive in the media business. You are forced to provide according to the demand. in other words, reports, news and articles about Real and Barca get way more attention and views than any other thing.

When a silly report about Messi or Ronaldo brings you 85558078678678567857608769568 page views in your website comparing to a great report about anybody else brings you like 3K page views, it's normal to hear your boss bitching and demanding you to focus on those couple of whores and forget the rest, because that what brings you advertisements. sponsors and money that keeps your business running.

So, should we blame ourselves for wanting to read nonsene, or blame the system currently in use for allowing us to read nonsense?
Bonus question; Is it easier to change human nature than it is to change human culture?


some people are too stupid to understand the nature of a topic. They pop up and bitch about us because they think we are bitching about something, while we are in fact discussing the reasons why some fans are arrogant and annoying.

So let's simplify it for the those too stupid to hopefully help them understand:

In football industry, your best clients are the teenagers because they have plenty of time in hand so they could spend hours a day browsing your website and making your wealth as a media owner.

Those kids are just arrogant and annoying when their teams are so dominant and superior.. It's the closest thing to spoiled brats whose parents (teams) are giving delivering them whatever they want!

But if you think we are discussing a social matter about changing this, then I believe you need to change!


that's the target audience of your website. more page views doesn't mean more revenue; higher profile of readers can make you sell at higher CPM rates.


According to them, the most important factor is having as many unique visitors as possible.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Gillipig on Wed May 28, 2014 5:32 am

nietzsche wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
nietzsche wrote:
Gillipig wrote:So, should we blame ourselves for wanting to read nonsene, or blame the system currently in use for allowing us to read nonsense?
Bonus question; Is it easier to change human nature than it is to change human culture?


The simple concept of human nature includes the idea that there are things that can't be changed about ourselves. If, you were to reduce the your concept of human nature to a insignificant pea-sized idea, you would be able to change more things about yourself.

But that doesn't belong in this thread.

In Mexico all the teams suck equally. THey are mediocre. Any team can be champion. Let me tell you that it sucks. I watch European football instead, and watch quality plays and technique and amazing goals and players with the will to overcome anything, even if that same ego makes them provoke a penalty kick in the 119 minute in order to score and show their bare torso.

With other words we should blame ourselves and not try to change the system, instead we should try to change something about ourselves that we really can't change.
I hear you but I think I'll pass. Thanks for suggesting it though.


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Re: Football (real)

Postby trevor33 on Wed May 28, 2014 1:50 pm

World cup draw at work today - landed Argentina :D
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Wed May 28, 2014 1:50 pm

Pirlo wrote:
According to them, the most important factor is having as many unique visitors as possible.



according to any site owner having the maximum unique visitors is the objective, but of a given target audience. You told me about your target audience; and it's not a very sexy one for most of the advertisers. The inventory is definitely going to be sold very cheap.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Wed May 28, 2014 5:09 pm

betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:
According to them, the most important factor is having as many unique visitors as possible.



according to any site owner having the maximum unique visitors is the objective, but of a given target audience. You told me about your target audience; and it's not a very sexy one for most of the advertisers. The inventory is definitely going to be sold very cheap.


Oh yeah... Saudi people are the most wanted target!
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Re: Football (real)

Postby betiko on Wed May 28, 2014 6:25 pm

Pirlo wrote:
betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:
According to them, the most important factor is having as many unique visitors as possible.



according to any site owner having the maximum unique visitors is the objective, but of a given target audience. You told me about your target audience; and it's not a very sexy one for most of the advertisers. The inventory is definitely going to be sold very cheap.


Oh yeah... Saudi people are the most wanted target!


Depending on the product. If you want to make a media planning in saudi arabia for an energy, bank, luxury, telecom or an airline company, the ones spending the big bucks, would you try to advertise on a big site for pre-pubert wankers or on the sports pages of business sites? A small sports section of a quality site can be much more profitable.
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Re: Football (real)

Postby Pirlo on Thu May 29, 2014 2:41 am

betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:
betiko wrote:
Pirlo wrote:
According to them, the most important factor is having as many unique visitors as possible.



according to any site owner having the maximum unique visitors is the objective, but of a given target audience. You told me about your target audience; and it's not a very sexy one for most of the advertisers. The inventory is definitely going to be sold very cheap.


Oh yeah... Saudi people are the most wanted target!


Depending on the product. If you want to make a media planning in saudi arabia for an energy, bank, luxury, telecom or an airline company, the ones spending the big bucks, would you try to advertise on a big site for pre-pubert wankers or on the sports pages of business sites? A small sports section of a quality site can be much more profitable.


I think we have mentioned earlier that the majority of sport site users are teenagers? that makes it perfect for advertising stuff to be consumed. Saudi is the country with the largest purchasing power in mid-east.
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