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Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
soundman wrote:I wish I had some experience playing with an arsonist. The only time I've played with one he got lynched the first day...
aage wrote:Never trust CYOC or pancake.
pancakemix wrote:soundman wrote:I wish I had some experience playing with an arsonist. The only time I've played with one he got lynched the first day...
It's not a common role at all, so I wouldn't feel too bad about that.
safariguy5 wrote:pancakemix wrote:soundman wrote:I wish I had some experience playing with an arsonist. The only time I've played with one he got lynched the first day...
It's not a common role at all, so I wouldn't feel too bad about that.
That may change, these new mods seem to really like using it. I'm also seeing more Vengeful Townies instead of the more traditional Town Bomb.
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
BGtheBrain wrote:I went through the archives, there were only 3 or 4 games with it. I have no idea how to balance it.
It MoBs first game there was one, but he was the D1 lynch so it never panned out
MoB Deadly wrote:BGtheBrain wrote:I went through the archives, there were only 3 or 4 games with it. I have no idea how to balance it.
It MoBs first game there was one, but he was the D1 lynch so it never panned out
I pretty much value it the same as an SK. I probably wouldn't include a firefighter because I think it is a little pointless.
I prefer the SK and just notifying them they are doused. They should almost undoubtedly announce they were doused so everyone will know there is an arsonist in the game. So if they successfully douse every single night, its still 1 possible person that dies for every night that passes. They have same opportunity to hit town and mafia as they see fit.
1) A player could die in between dousing and actually setting on fire, which would be the same as SK and mafia targeting the same player.
2) still susceptible to roleblocks the same as SK. No douse means roleblocker found arson.
3) still susceptible to bussing, didnt douse the person they intended, could end up dousing the same person twice, or dousing themselves, wasting a night.
4) Only advantage is arson kills all at once and ignores doctors and bodyguards. Which i think the multiple nights the arson has to wait balances it.
I think the arson is a lot less powered than you guys are thinking. I say throw it in instead of an SK a couple games and see how it pans out. Only time arson gets overpowered is if there is no notification of dousing, that is definitely hard to balance, because he will be just visiting people with no affect, there are quite a few fakeclaims for that
Edit:
so yeah just think:
A normal SK kills every single night, mafia or town doesnt matter. If it looks like the scum is doing well and killing town over and over, then they could try to shoot someone scummy.
Arson has to douse douse douse, (unsure if they even doused the intended person, and also hoping that mafia doesnt kill one of the doused.) They kill at once, they dont know if they killed all town, all mafia or what. They have less control in keeping the game "balanced" so that they are in good position to win.
MoB Deadly wrote:Right that's my point that the arsonist may be a little less powerful than an SK, contrary to what I believe most people think. Timing is everything with the arsonist, its not as much with the SK
safariguy5 wrote:MoB Deadly wrote:Right that's my point that the arsonist may be a little less powerful than an SK, contrary to what I believe most people think. Timing is everything with the arsonist, its not as much with the SK
The difference being that the Arsonist is much more difficult to detect if you do not PM the player that they have been doused. His kills are stronger because you can't protect his targets, and especially if you don't use a firefighter. With the SKer, you can prevent the kill many ways. So I think it's just about the same strength, if not stronger.
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