New Bonus Concept

[DiM]

A theme is nothing to do with the graphics. the theme is what your going ot base the map around. Will it be a country? A symetrical map? abstract?

That's all irrelevant until the code can be proved to be viable or not. Again, why waste time on all that if the coding problems can't be worked out?

actually it has everything to do with graphics.

i think of a theme before i do the graphics. will it be funny will it be serious? will it be realistic or cartoony? once i make up my mind i start on the graphics and evolve from there.

[stringybeany]

actually it has everything to do with graphics.

i think of a theme before i do the graphics. will it be funny will it be serious? will it be realistic or cartoony? once i make up my mind i start on the graphics and evolve from there.

Disagree. It has everything to do with the code until it can be proved to work.

Go ahead and work on themes and graphics if you like. I'm going after the code.

[gimil]

actually it has everything to do with graphics.

i think of a theme before i do the graphics. will it be funny will it be serious? will it be realistic or cartoony? once i make up my mind i start on the graphics and evolve from there.

Disagree. It has everything to do with the code until it can be proved to work.

Go ahead and work on themes and graphics if you like. I'm going after the code.

well why dotn you put your money where your mouth is. Im sure me DiM, yeti and colman could pull this off, graphics and all

[stringybeany]

well why dotn you put your money where your mouth is. Im sure me DiM, yeti and colman could pull this off, graphics and all

I did...see up thread. $500 for a working model that meets my specs. Show me some action and I'll even pay you some money up-front.

[gimil]

well why dotn you put your money where your mouth is. Im sure me DiM, yeti and colman could pull this off, graphics and all

I did...see up thread. $500 for a working model that meets my specs. Show me some action and I'll even pay you some money up-front.

we'll hold you to that =)

[Gnome]

I think it isn't even that difficult to write that XML script...it just has everything to do with how many territorys you are planning to use and how many of them are borders...I can make you a test map with a script of the image you posted on your first post...but no one will play that map...why would you need it than?

[stringybeany]

well why dotn you put your money where your mouth is. Im sure me DiM, yeti and colman could pull this off, graphics and all

I did...see up thread. $500 for a working model that meets my specs. Show me some action and I'll even pay you some money up-front.

we'll hold you to that =)

Excellent!

Get busy with it!

[DiM]

well why dotn you put your money where your mouth is. Im sure me DiM, yeti and colman could pull this off, graphics and all

I did...see up thread. $500 for a working model that meets my specs. Show me some action and I'll even pay you some money up-front.

we'll hold you to that =)

Excellent!

Get busy with it!

muahahahaha easy money

[stringybeany]

I think it isn't even that difficult to write that XML script...it just has everything to do with how many territorys you are planning to use and how many of them are borders...I can make you a test map with a script of the image you posted on your first post...but no one will play that map...why would you need it than?

To test the concept. But I guess if it's as easy as you say (you're the first one to step up with that attitude), then no test is required.

[stringybeany]

well why dotn you put your money where your mouth is. Im sure me DiM, yeti and colman could pull this off, graphics and all

I did...see up thread. $500 for a working model that meets my specs. Show me some action and I'll even pay you some money up-front.

we'll hold you to that =)

Excellent!

Get busy with it!

muahahahaha easy money

I hope it's easy for you. I've been programming industrial automation systems for 30 some years. Some code sets do come easy to me now.

I looked over XML and I'm not that eager to pick up another new language. I could do it but it would take me some time to learn my way through it. I don't have that kind of time right now as I have too many projects on my list.

Money I have in good supply though. So I'll just have to buy it done.

[stringybeany]

so you guys talk it over and come up with a plan and let me know.

[Gnome]

lol well ya...I know they can have it done...they made more maps than I did and I even know how I should do it...Good luck on this project guys

[yeti_c]

well why dotn you put your money where your mouth is. Im sure me DiM, yeti and colman could pull this off, graphics and all

I did...see up thread. $500 for a working model that meets my specs. Show me some action and I'll even pay you some money up-front.

we'll hold you to that =)

Excellent!

Get busy with it!

muahahahaha easy money

I hope it's easy for you. I've been programming industrial automation systems for 30 some years. Some code sets do come easy to me now.

I looked over XML and I'm not that eager to pick up another new language. I could do it but it would take me some time to learn my way through it. I don't have that kind of time right now as I have too many projects on my list.

Money I have in good supply though. So I'll just have to buy it done.

XML isn't a language... it's only markup...

It is only data held in a human readable form that is easily written - the language skill lie in the parser...

Either way - essentially this map would need 1 continent for each of it's territories...

Each continent would contain the Centre territory and it's borders - if you hold them all - you get +1...

If you got creative and made it... +1 for each -> +3 for 4 etc... then it would become a more complex. (i.e. you would have to write up for every combination of 4 continents - then override the base ones) but again fairly easy to do... but more time consuming.

C.

[yeti_c]

(Or shouldn't I have told you how to do it - did I just do myself out of 500 bucks?!)

C.

[stringybeany]

(Or shouldn't I have told you how to do it - did I just do myself out of 500 bucks?!)

C.

Not at all. I'm still committed to paying for results. I don't want to make it a race though. You guys make it happen and divide up the work any way you like, and I'll see that you are paid each for your contribution.

[yeti_c]

(Or shouldn't I have told you how to do it - did I just do myself out of 500 bucks?!)

C.

Not at all. I'm still committed to paying for results. I don't want to make it a race though. You guys make it happen and divide up the work any way you like, and I'll see that you are paid each for your contribution.

What else needs doing - I've just told you how to do it?

Do you want a sample.xml file for a specific map?

C.

[oaktown]

Not only is the XML for this concept possible, it isn't very complicated. What makes it easy is that there are no negatives. If I have a piece of paper, a pencil, and twenty free minutes I could do the XML for, say, the classic map using this bonus concept. I could do it for Doodle Earth in ten minutes. I don't even want your money, stringy.

What IS difficult is coming up with a MAP that will make for good GAME PLAY using this bonus concept. It has already been pointed out that on the Classic map the bonus will be too high for Australia, not high neough for other areas. The challenge before you is to apply this bonus structure in a way that makes it interesting and fun for CC users. This will ultimately require good graphics and a theme (which can be developed independently form the graphics), but right now it just requires a rough sketch of a map so people can discuss the game play. Once the map looks playable, people can suggest a theme and somebody who knows Photoshop will step up to make it pretty.

A good examples of graphics vs. theme can be seen in johloh's recent post about a Pirates map. People embrace the THEME of having a pirate map, but he hasn't done any work on the graphics.

[DiM]

here is how the xml would look for doodle earth map. i've bolded the bonus part because that's the important one. and as oaktown said it took just 10 minutes.

<?xml version="1.0" ?>
- <map>
<title>Doodle Earth</title>
<smallwidth>600</smallwidth>
<smallheight>450</smallheight>
<largewidth>800</largewidth>
<largeheight>600</largeheight>
<filetype>jpg</filetype>
- <continent>
<name>Canada</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Canada</component>
<component>USA</component>
<component>More Russia</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>USA</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Canada</component>
<component>USA</component>
<component>Greenland</component>
<component>Andy's Mountains</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Andy's Mountains</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Brazil</component>
<component>USA</component>
<component>Canada</component>
<component>Andy's Mountains</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Brazil</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Andy's Mountains</component>
<component>Sarah Desert</component>
<component>Brazil</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Greenland</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>USA</component>
<component>UK</component>
<component>Greenland</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>UK</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Iceland</component>
<component>Greenland</component>
<component>Europe</component>
<component>UK</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Iceland</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>UK</component>
<component>Germany</component>
<component>Europe</component>
<component>Iceland</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Germany</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Iceland</component>
<component>Arabia</component>
<component>Europe</component>
<component>Irakistan</component>
<component>Russia</component>
<component>Germany</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Sarah Desert</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Sarah Desert</component>
<component>Egypt</component>
<component>Europe</component>
<component>Brazil</component>
<component>Conga</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Egypt</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Sarah Desert</component>
<component>Egypt</component>
<component>Europe</component>
<component>Arabia</component>
<component>Conga</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Conga</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Sarah Desert</component>
<component>Egypt</component>
<component>Conga</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Arabia</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Germany</component>
<component>Egypt</component>
<component>Europe</component>
<component>Irakistan</component>
<component>Arabia</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Russia</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Germany</component>
<component>Irakistan</component>
<component>More Russia</component>
<component>Russia</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Irakistan</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Arabia</component>
<component>Germany</component>
<component>More Russia</component>
<component>China</component>
<component>Irakistan</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>More Russia</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Russia</component>
<component>Canada</component>
<component>More Russia</component>
<component>China</component>
<component>Irakistan</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>China</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Austr(al)ia</component>
<component>More Russia</component>
<component>China</component>
<component>Irakistan</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <continent>
<name>Austr(al)ia</name>
<bonus>1</bonus>
- <components>
<component>Austr(al)ia</component>
<component>China</component>
</components>
</continent>
- <territory>
<name>Canada</name>
- <borders>
<border>More Russia</border>
<border>USA</border>
<border>Andy's Mountains</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>90</smallx>
<smally>145</smally>
<largex>123</largex>
<largey>188</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>USA</name>
- <borders>
<border>Canada</border>
<border>Greenland</border>
<border>Andy's Mountains</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>138</smallx>
<smally>152</smally>
<largex>189</largex>
<largey>191</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Greenland</name>
- <borders>
<border>USA</border>
<border>UK</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>207</smallx>
<smally>91</smally>
<largex>275</largex>
<largey>100</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Brazil</name>
- <borders>
<border>Andy's Mountains</border>
<border>Sarah Desert</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>163</smallx>
<smally>304</smally>
<largex>220</largex>
<largey>391</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Andy's Mountains</name>
- <borders>
<border>Canada</border>
<border>USA</border>
<border>Brazil</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>129</smallx>
<smally>266</smally>
<largex>175</largex>
<largey>347</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>UK</name>
- <borders>
<border>Greenland</border>
<border>Iceland</border>
<border>Europe</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>213</smallx>
<smally>155</smally>
<largex>287</largex>
<largey>188</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Iceland</name>
- <borders>
<border>UK</border>
<border>Germany</border>
<border>Europe</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>280</smallx>
<smally>131</smally>
<largex>377</largex>
<largey>154</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Germany</name>
- <borders>
<border>Iceland</border>
<border>Europe</border>
<border>Russia</border>
<border>Irakistan</border>
<border>Arabia</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>335</smallx>
<smally>145</smally>
<largex>447</largex>
<largey>187</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Europe</name>
- <borders>
<border>UK</border>
<border>Iceland</border>
<border>Germany</border>
<border>Arabia</border>
<border>Egypt</border>
<border>Sarah Desert</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>283</smallx>
<smally>178</smally>
<largex>384</largex>
<largey>222</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Russia</name>
- <borders>
<border>Germany</border>
<border>More Russia</border>
<border>Irakistan</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>385</smallx>
<smally>114</smally>
<largex>517</largex>
<largey>143</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>More Russia</name>
- <borders>
<border>Canada</border>
<border>Russia</border>
<border>Irakistan</border>
<border>China</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>493</smallx>
<smally>132</smally>
<largex>666</largex>
<largey>150</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Irakistan</name>
- <borders>
<border>Germany</border>
<border>Russia</border>
<border>More Russia</border>
<border>Arabia</border>
<border>China</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>405</smallx>
<smally>187</smally>
<largex>534</largex>
<largey>231</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Arabia</name>
- <borders>
<border>Germany</border>
<border>Europe</border>
<border>Irakistan</border>
<border>Egypt</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>346</smallx>
<smally>198</smally>
<largex>465</largex>
<largey>261</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>China</name>
- <borders>
<border>More Russia</border>
<border>Irakistan</border>
<border>Austr(al)ia</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>420</smallx>
<smally>257</smally>
<largex>564</largex>
<largey>313</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Austr(al)ia</name>
- <borders>
<border>China</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>472</smallx>
<smally>359</smally>
<largex>634</largex>
<largey>471</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Egypt</name>
- <borders>
<border>Europe</border>
<border>Arabia</border>
<border>Sarah Desert</border>
<border>Conga</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>310</smallx>
<smally>239</smally>
<largex>428</largex>
<largey>315</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Sarah Desert</name>
- <borders>
<border>Brazil</border>
<border>Europe</border>
<border>Egypt</border>
<border>Conga</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>264</smallx>
<smally>265</smally>
<largex>355</largex>
<largey>347</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
- <territory>
<name>Conga</name>
- <borders>
<border>Egypt</border>
<border>Sarah Desert</border>
</borders>
- <coordinates>
<smallx>315</smallx>
<smally>315</smally>
<largex>424</largex>
<largey>403</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
</map>

[oaktown]

thanks DiM, you saved me ten minutes.

Now somebody should get serious about applying this concept in a playable way, or we should shut down this discussion and focus our attention on projects that are moving forward.

[gimil]

thanks DiM, you saved me ten minutes.

Now somebody should get serious about applying this concept in a playable way, or we should shut down this discussion and focus our attention on projects that are moving forward.

Me and DiM are going to attempt it in our own time

[Gnome]

Maybe this concept can help in creating
Chutes and Ladders:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25894

You start with your starting terr wich already gives you lets say +3 or something to start with, your goal is to reach 100 but only by getting this +3 at every start of your turn you wont get there so when you put this concept into it you get this for exemple:

you have square 4, 5 and 6, so that would give you a bonus army becaus you own all borders of 5.
When you have 3,4,5 you will need "14" also to get a bonus for "4" becaus there is a ladder so its not safe...
could be interesting...no?

[oaktown]

Maybe this concept can help in creating
Chutes and Ladders:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25894

You start with your starting terr wich already gives you lets say +3 or something to start with, your goal is to reach 100 but only by getting this +3 at every start of your turn you wont get there so when you put this concept into it you get this for exemple:

you have square 4, 5 and 6, so that would give you a bonus army becaus you own all borders of 5.
When you have 3,4,5 you will need "14" also to get a bonus for "4" becaus there is a ladder so its not safe...
could be interesting...no?

This could work with Chutes/Snakes and Ladders... I'd forget about the ladders and slides and just say three contiguous squares gives a bonus, because it'll be hard enough to hold as it is with everybody fighting to go the same way... having a ladder in the middle of your three just gives you one more territory to defend. It wouldn't have to be three either - you could do four or five.

[Gnome]

Maybe this concept can help in creating
Chutes and Ladders:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25894

You start with your starting terr wich already gives you lets say +3 or something to start with, your goal is to reach 100 but only by getting this +3 at every start of your turn you wont get there so when you put this concept into it you get this for exemple:

you have square 4, 5 and 6, so that would give you a bonus army becaus you own all borders of 5.
When you have 3,4,5 you will need "14" also to get a bonus for "4" becaus there is a ladder so its not safe...
could be interesting...no?

This could work with Chutes/Snakes and Ladders... I'd forget about the ladders and slides and just say three contiguous squares gives a bonus, because it'll be hard enough to hold as it is with everybody fighting to go the same way... having a ladder in the middle of your three just gives you one more territory to defend. It wouldn't have to be three either - you could do four or five.

you said it will be hard to hold three already...so four or five is even harder? or maybe I don't get what you said

[stringybeany]

thanks DiM, you saved me ten minutes.

Now somebody should get serious about applying this concept in a playable way, or we should shut down this discussion and focus our attention on projects that are moving forward.

Bye then, thanks for coming.

it's an official contest. I'll post the money with the site if need be:

$500 to the winner.


unless you are more interested in "serious projects".

For all you hot-shots that can bang this out in ten minutes, it should be easy money.

PM me for entry qualifications.

Those of you that have already bailed, thanks for your time!

[stringybeany]

This is called "money talks, bs walks".