Holy Roman Empire - 1648 A.D.

[grayhawke]

This is version 4.

Version 3 can be seen here.
Version 2 can be seen here.
.Version 1 can be seen here.

This map is based upon the boundaries set for the HRE following the Peace of Westphalia in 1648.

There are 36 territories forming 7 "continents"

Notes
1. This map was drawn using the GIMP
2. The principal resource used was this map
3. The impression of the Imperial Eagle was derived from the banner on this page

[Bavarian Raven]

i tried once...and gave up on this map, so good luck to you!

[Bad Speler]

The first gameplay issue that I see with this map is that teh continents have way too many border territories.

[Herakilla]

The first gameplay issue that I see with this map is that teh continents have way too many border territories.

its actually not bad, kinda like ireland in a way. for the most part theres 4 or 5 borders for each continent

[oaktown]

i'd drop france and England entirely... I don't think England was ever brought under the holy roman empire (i could be wrong), and it just looks funny to see so many territories cut off by the edge of the map like that. People like to see shapes.

And shouldn't the Empire extend further into Italy? Wait - just looked at the map link you included... if you're being time-specific I'd suggest you stick to a certain time and do not include areas that aren't relevant to the holy roman empire of that time. For instance, the map that you were working from doesn't include Italy at all. Perhaps you want to find a map that showed the Empire at its largest.

Consider also a bonus for holding the capital, which if i remember correctly was at Aachen. I seem to remember seeing Charlemagne's chapel, or cathedral, or something there ten years ago.

Have fun with it!

[Herakilla]

the empire did have a small part of england at one point in time i believe and it did not have as much control of italy as you think, that was the ottoman empire

[oaktown]

the empire did have a small part of england at one point in time i believe and it did not have as much control of italy as you think, that was the ottoman empire

I'll say again, it depends on what period you're looking at. Using the example that Herakilla has presented the map shouldn't have Italy at all. Using an earlier map of the Empire would have the northern half of Italy but none of England.

Here's an earlier map of the HRE:


As for the Ottomans, I believe they may have invaded parts of western Europe but I don't know that they ever controlled the Italian peninsula. The Ottoman Empire was the Islamic extension of what used to be the Byzantine Empire, and was constantly at odds with the Catholic powers to the west. You know, all those pesky crusaders.

[Chirondom]

the empire did have a small part of england at one point in time i believe and it did not have as much control of italy as you think, that was the ottoman empire

You are dead wrong. England was never, never, never part of the HRE in any way shape or form. Neither was France.Okay, technically, ibefore 1000 it was, but that's not really the exact time period that you're aiming at. But I say again, the HRE never touched England. England invaded France in the 100s years war and held land there and helped the Spanish netherlands rebelled, but never the other way around.

[Herakilla]

ya yooure right sorry im dead tired from swimming practice today and aint thinking straight

[grayhawke]

Thanks for all the comments. It seems there are 2 concerns - the scope of the map and gameplay.

Scope - perhaps the title is wrong? The extent of the HRE in 1648 is shown by the red boundary line. The neighbouring states are included intentionally. Is this wrong?
Perhaps the title should be Central Europe 1648? I just felt that the current title sounded better.

Gameplay - I'll see if I can reduce the number of borders with more mountains and/or introducing rivers

[oaktown]

you can get away with including territory that was not a part of the empire, but perhaps those territories should not be a part of a bonus region. Otherwise you're right, you may want to consider changing the name of the map.

[Balsiefen]

I think leaving out non HRE terrs would be good.


The HRE was a divided land and it proberbly would be quite conquer club like with all the small kingdoms vying for power and the emperor not having always as much control as he'd like.

[grayhawke]

I've set up a poll and would welcome your opinions

[grayhawke]

The map has been restricted to HRE only - see initial post.

[grayhawke]

Version 3 is slightly fancier and I've added army circles.

There appears to be some support for a HRE+surounding states. Perhaps I should start a new thread?

[Balsiefen]

Version 3 is slightly fancier and I've added army circles.

There appears to be some support for a HRE+surounding states. Perhaps I should start a new thread?

Are you doing graphics ATM or still focussing on gameplay

[grayhawke]

Version 3 is slightly fancier and I've added army circles.

There appears to be some support for a HRE+surounding states. Perhaps I should start a new thread?

Are you doing graphics ATM or still focussing on gameplay

I'm enhancing (aka playing with) the graphics while awaiting feedback/comments/advice on gameplay and/or graphics.

[grayhawke]

I've re-darkened the mountains, added an HRE Orb graphic, and updated the signature graphic.

This version is my last solo effort - further changes will arise only from comments and discussion in this thread.

[snufkin]

wow strange choice for a map

The holy roman empire at its very weakest - in fact hardly existing at all..

Sweden and France had just won the thirty years war in 1648.. the territories are either controlled by other countries or independent.
HRE is crushed and there wouldn´t be another really strong German nation/empire for hundreds of years..

quote from wiki:

the Empire from this point was a powerless entity, existing in name only

I think it would make much more sense if you made a map of the start of the war or perhaps even much earlier when it in fact was an empire..


If you still want to make an HRE map then I vote for option #4 of course.

[Grooveman2007]

wow strange choice for a map

The holy roman empire at its very weakest - in fact hardly existing at all..

Sweden and France had just won the thirty years war in 1648.. the territories are either controlled by other countries or independent.
HRE is crushed and there wouldn´t be another really strong German nation/empire for hundreds of years..

quote from wiki:

the Empire from this point was a powerless entity, existing in name only

I think it would make much more sense if you made a map of the start of the war or perhaps even much earlier when it in fact was an empire..


If you still want to make an HRE map then I vote for option #4 of course.

A map of the thirty-years war would be very interesting. You could have people start as one of the powers (Bohemia, Denmark, Sweden, France, etc...) and have the smaller German sates be neutral, since the war was basicly one big land grab by the powers.